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    Immigration: the next civil rights battlefield



    Immigration: the next civil rights battlefield
    Point: Juan Williams

    Civil rights in America are individual rights. And when it comes to protecting individual rights today, the key political and social battlefield in America is the rights of immigrants.

    In other words, immigration is the civil rights issue of today.

    Some people are reluctant to acknowledge that the fight over civil rights doesn't belong to any one group but is part of an ongoing American struggle for equal justice. But the fight is not limited to the greatest social movement America has ever seen -- the African American struggle for equal rights under law. In fact, there are major civil rights debates today about provisions of the Patriot Act. That too is a civil rights debate that is critical to the future of the republic.

    But the defining civil rights issue at the start of the 21st century is immigration. Last year's polarizing political discussion in Congress on immigration reform, the effort to demonize illegal immigrants and the effort to pit one minority group against another are evidence that immigration is as compelling today as was the effort to end legal segregation in the 1950s and '60s.

    With Latinos being the largest minority group in America, the conversation about civil rights had to change. The two-way conversation between blacks and whites -- with blacks demanding equality while expressing grievance and whites locked in a struggle with entitlement as well as conscience and guilt -- has become a three-way conversation. The Latino population and the growing number of immigrants from around the world -- Asian, Eastern European, African and others -- are all contributing their own views of America and racial equality.

    Latinos and blacks in most of the country have a common bond as minorities. In a big city such as Los Angeles, there is also increasing competition for political power. Blacks have long been the gatekeepers of minority political power, but the sheer size of the still-growing Latino population is forcing new hands onto the levers of power. Youth gangs and jail inmates are too often separated by black, Latino and white as a method of control that leads to enmity and violence.

    In a city such as L.A., the large number of Latinos also creates new issues, such as whether English should be the official language of the city or the state, the education of children who come to school but don't speak English, and, of course, the cultural shifts that come with the increasing presence of music, fashion and slang that comes from Latinos. So there is no question that the discussion of civil rights has been changed by immigration and the dramatic demographic shifts that now have one-third of our nation made up of people of various colors.

    Juan Williams is a senior correspondent for National Public Radio, a Fox News analyst and author of "Enough: The Phony Leaders, Dead-End Movements, and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America -- and What We Can Do About It."


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    Why immigration makes African Americans nervous
    Counterpoint: Erin Aubry Kaplan

    Juan,

    Civil rights certainly belong to more than one group -- they're individual and collective. That goes without saying. Blacks are most closely identified with civil rights battles for a very good reason: From almost the moment they were freed from slavery, they were denied their due rights by law and by custom for 100 years. They were denied their rights even though the 14th Amendment "guaranteed" due process and equal protection under the law. The federal legislation of the 1960s was the most famous outcome of a long effort by blacks to attain those guaranteed rights and finally become full citizens in their own country. That effort is still going on.

    This is qualitatively different from the battle for immigrant rights. This isn't to say that immigrants aren't entitled to civil rights, that their civil rights aren't routinely violated or that they don't endure discrimination. But to replace the ongoing struggle of black Americans with the struggle of immigrants as the premier civil rights movement in the country at the moment is to foster the kind of destructive competition among ethnic groups that you say you deplore.

    While there is indeed a "common bond" between blacks and Latinos based on the fact they share living spaces in cities like L.A., their histories are different. Their experiences and expectations of the United States are different. They assimilate at very different rates and for different reasons (while regarded as "others," Latinos have always been considered more "white" than blacks and therefore more socially acceptable). They are not a single minority. Cooperation between black and brown should never be discouraged, of course, but that cooperation has to be built on a shared understanding of differences, different agendas and even tensions. Unfortunately, there's little political will to do this, at least in California: Black leaders are too threatened by the surge in Latino populations and political representation, and Latinos are numerous and established enough to not need blacks at all, politically or otherwise. We can sit and talk all day long about how we need to get together, but a more valuable conversation would be about why we haven't gotten together very effectively so far.

    Frankly, black people have a right to be nervous about their status on the national agenda -- because they aren't on it. Even though the effects of discrimination and racial neglect still abound (schools in many areas are more segregated than ever, and it was recently revealed that the rate of HIV/AIDS infection among blacks has been massively underreported for years), they're being told that their issues are no longer relevant. They're being told that simply because immigrant communities are growing or Barack Obama is running for president, they've lost a claim to their own interests and concerns; the best they can do is merge them with somebody else's. This is patronizing at best and disenfranchising at worst. No wonder that a recent Pew research poll found that blacks on the whole are disturbingly pessimistic about their own future. Such a dim view of things is not good for anybody's America.

    Erin Aubry Kaplan is a freelance writer and contributing editor to Opinion. She is a former weekly columnist for The Times and a former LA Weekly staff writer. She blogs at threebrothersandasister.blogspot.com.
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    Latinos have always been considered more "white" than blacks and therefore more socially acceptable

    Socially acceptable - heck no.[/b]
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    There is no civil right to immigrate. Their is no human right to immigrate. Furthermore, cvil rights pertain ONLY to citizens. The Merriam-Webster online Dictionary defines civil-rights as: “The nonpolitical rights of a citizen; especially: the rights of personal liberty guaranteed to U.S. citizens by the 13th and 14th amendments to the Constitution and by acts of Congress.â€
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    Juan Williams what do you expect?

    With Latinos being the largest minority group in America, the conversation about civil rights had to change. The two-way conversation between blacks and whites -- with blacks demanding equality while expressing grievance and whites locked in a struggle with entitlement as well as conscience and guilt

    Juan those days are over. NO guilt here for a woman who put her job on the line to defend a Hispanic co-worker and black co-workers. Never any guilt here. Anyone who has FALSE guilt hanging over their head by some group trying to use their generosity or charity is just plain being USED. It's time we speak out about this false idea that whites feel guilty about something they had nothing to do with. I don't feel guilty about calling a law breaker a law breaker. I don't feel guilty about saying "you're wrong get out of my country." If you think that will work on me, you are SADLY MISTAKEN.
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    the effort to demonize illegal immigrants
    Juan Williams should be ashamed of himself for making such a false, inflammatory and irresponsible statement. Insisting on the enforcement of our laws and opposing terribly-flawed mass amnesty schemes is NOT "demonizing" illegal aliens.

    In fact, if anyone was "demonized" it was the majority of Americans who opposed amnesty. Look at Lindsey Graham's foolish statements as an example.

    And BTW, if illegal immigrants want to protest for civil rights, they should do this in their home countries.
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    Juan, you're a jerca. The only civil rights issues that involve immigration are the civil rights of US Citizens that are violated every time an illegal alien enters our country and violates US immigration, US labor and US civil rights laws written and passed to protect the People of the United States.
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    Re: Immigration: the next civil rights battlefield

    Quote Originally Posted by zeezil

    So there is no question that the discussion of civil rights has been changed by immigration and the dramatic demographic shifts that now have one-third of our nation made up of people of various colors.
    Say Mr. Racist Williams I am not an albino, I have color also. Maybe just not the color you approve of.
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    In other words, immigration is the civil rights issue of today.
    I didn't realize the civil rights of those who immigrated to this country legally were in question.

    Of course it would be idiotic for Juan to suggest as he has, that those who entered this country in violation of immigration law would have a civil rights grievance in this country.

    Save that garbage for NPR Juan...Oh, and I have absolutely no "guilt" whatsoever for anything that has ever been done in this country, against anyone, simply because I happen to share the same skin color as those who may have committed wrongs!
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