Thread: Chertoff to Hunter: Border fence "overly simplistic&

Chertoff to Hunter: Border fence “overly simplisticâ€

What do you expect from a shamnesty backer?

That's cause he and bush boy are buddy buddy! They've definitely got something up their sleeves! I have a gut feeling.

I truly believe that Chertoff is MORE than an amnesty backer.. I truly believe that he is one of the architects or "soldiers" to carry out the agenda of the NAU. How else can you explain that under his watch MORE ILLEGALS crossed the border --- YET more laws/fencing/increase agents were all at his disposal via new bills --- YET, they weren't instantiated..

How else can you explain it?
How else can you explain a total disregard to laws to protech america's sovereignty?

It has always kinda been in the corner of my mind, now it is getting stronger that the fence is a smokescreen. I have no problem with it - but we cannot put all our hopes on a fence.

We enforcement here. If they would enforce the laws against illegal employers and despite what you have seen, they aren't doing it, folks.
Enforce the laws about false documents. If we had a fake SS#, Dl, etc., we'd be in the pokey before sundown.

If the employers can't work the illegals, the illegals will go home.

Then get more men/women on the border and turn them loose. The ones that are down there are hamstrung. Let them do the job they were trained to do.

And start the fence - but these other things are going to do more to solve the problem than the fence.

Just my opinion.

nntrixie wrote:

It has always kinda been in the corner of my mind, now it is getting stronger that the fence is a smokescreen. I have no problem with it - but we cannot put all our hopes on a fence.

I hope you're not questioning Hunter's integrity on this. He's doing all he can to ensure that fence gets built. He's constantly fighting with the Bush administration and Chertoff over the issue. Unfortunately we're never going to get control of the illegal immigration problem unless we get control over our borders. We can have all the interior enforcement we want, however, what good does it do when the illegals are allowed to reenter the country at their leisure. We must block their path of entry and the Hunter fence is a good beginning. Of course it's understood that the fence is just a piece to the puzzle, but IMO it's an important piece that can't be overlooked.

Hunter's double layered border fence includes interlocking cameras, lights, sensors, and a high speed road between layers. It's not a single stand alone fence like we often times see in the news.

mwI don't know much, really anything, about Duncan Hunter.

Where has he been all this time?

How many times has he gone on TV in the last 25 years and decried illegal immigration?

How many times has he written op-ed pieces in the last 25 years?

How many Town Hall meetings has he held to talk with people and make them aware of the dangers of this - in the last 25 years?

I am grateful for everyone who has stepped forward in the last year or so - but I always wonder - where were then when this thing was getting a foothold? Being from CA, he should have been screaming louder than anyone - except maybe our very own Texas lawmakers. We should realize their allegiances lie elsewhere.

Actually, I wasn't 'questioning specifically anyone's integrity' in my post - I was questioning the integrity of the idea and if the politicians truly want to do something about this.

But I do always question the integrity of any politician. It is an absolute necessary thing to do. It is a survival mechanism.

The fence alone, even with all the sensors, etc., will not do the job unless they get serious about enforcing laws inside the US. The longer they stay, the more babies they have. As long as they have jobs, freebies, they will stay, will increase, and will become more and more a danger to this country.

Yes, the fence will slow some down - and I agree with the fence, but it isn't the end all - it is only one tool - and I'm all for it. The fact there is so much emphasis being put on the fence, bothers me. It just makes me wonder if it isn't misdirection.

nntrixie wrote:

mwI don't know much, really anything, about Duncan Hunter.

Where has he been all this time?

Fighting the good fight. He's been working against illegal immigration and for border security for years. Check out the bills he's sponsored and cosponsored since being elected to Congress. I imagine there are a lot of people living outside Texas and Colorado that hadn't heard of of Ron Paul or Tom Tancredo until they started campaigning for the presidency. Most people are not big on associating a name with each individual in the U.S. Congress unless they've had a personal experience with the person or have him/her as a representative or senator.

How many times has he gone on TV in the last 25 years and decried illegal immigration?

How many times has he written op-ed pieces in the last 25 years?

How many Town Hall meetings has he held to talk with people and make them aware of the dangers of this - in the last 25 years?

That's an odd question to ask me, I'm not married to the guy and I'm certainly not his keeper.

Perhaps you should write him and inquire. While doing that, maybe you could send a letter to Tancredo and Paul making the same inquiry. Of course that is assuming you don't know exactly how many town meetings they've attended, op-ed pieces they've written, or how many times they've been on TV (sorry, I couldn't resist).

I am grateful for everyone who has stepped forward in the last year or so - but I always wonder - where were then when this thing was getting a foothold?

As I said, Hunter has been fighting the issue for years. Honestly, do a little research and you'll see. Heck, I think it was almost 14 years ago that he started action on the San Diego border fence. I knows he's been repeatedly requesting more border patrol agents in his region of responsibility for many years.

This may help your research (bills he's introduced from 1993 to 12/2006 concerning border security and illegal immigration - I couldn't find an earlier record):

H.R.2018 : To require that States receiving State Legalization Impact Assistance Grants (SLIAG) cooperate with the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol in the apprehension, detention, and transfer of illegal immigrants.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 5/6/1993) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Judiciary
Latest Major Action: 5/12/1993 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on International Law, Immigration, and Refugees.

H.R.2646 : To direct that certain Federal financial benefits be provided only to citizens and nationals of the United States.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 7/15/1993) Cosponsors (25)
Committees: House Agriculture; House Banking, Finance, and Urban Affairs; House Ways and Means
Latest Major Action: 8/3/1993 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Housing and Community Development.

H.AMDT.191 to H.R.2519 Amendment increases the appropriation for salaries and expenses of the Immigration and Naturalization Service by $60 million.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 7/1/1993) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 7/20/1993 House amendment agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the Hunter amendment (A001) Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 298 - 129 (Roll no. 342).

H.AMDT.519 to H.R.4092 Amendment authorizes the hiring of an additional 6,000 Border Patrol Agents and support staff over the next five fiscal years.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 4/20/1994) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 4/20/1994 House amendment agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the Hunter amendment (A021) Agreed to by recorded vote: 417 - 12 (Roll no. 134).

H.AMDT.616 to H.R.518 Amendment clarifies that Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies shall be permitted to continue conducting law enforcement or border operations in any of the wilderness areas designated by the bill.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 6/10/1994) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 6/10/1994 House amendment agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the Hunter amendment (A004) Agreed to by recorded vote: 389 - 0 (Roll no. 230).

H.R.482 : To direct that certain Federal financial benefits be provided only to citizens and nationals of the United States.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 1/11/1995) Cosponsors (15)
Committees: House Agriculture; House Banking and Financial Services; House Ways and Means
Latest Major Action: 2/7/1995 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Human Resources.

H.R.756 : To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act and other laws of the United States relating to border security, illegal immigration, alien eligibility for Federal financial benefits and services, criminal activity by aliens, alien smuggling, fraudulent document use by aliens, asylum, terrorist aliens, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 1/31/1995) Cosponsors (21)
Committees: House National Security; House Banking and Financial Services; House Government Reform and Oversight; House Judiciary; House Ways and Means
Latest Major Action: 3/15/1995 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims.

H.R.1018 : To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act and other laws of the United States relating to border security, illegal immigration, alien eligibility for Federal financial benefits and services, criminal activity by aliens, alien smuggling, fraudulent document use by aliens, asylum, terrorist aliens, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 2/23/1995) Cosponsors (46)
Committees: House National Security; House Banking and Financial Services; House Government Reform and Oversight; House Judiciary; House Ways and Means
Latest Major Action: 3/24/1995 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Housing and Community Opportunity.

H.R.1658 : To enhance border security in the vicinity of San Diego, California through the construction and improvement of physical barriers at the United States border and through the forward deployment of Border Patrol agents to the border.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 5/17/1995) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Judiciary
Latest Major Action: 7/18/1995 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims.

H.R.3858 : To assure drug-free borders by increasing penalties for certain drug-related offenses, to enhance law enforcement efforts for counterdrug activities, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 5/13/199 Cosponsors (10)
Committees: House Judiciary
Latest Major Action: 5/13/1998 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.

H.AMDT.581 to H.R.5005 An amendment numbered 9 printed in House Report 107-615 to express the sense of the Congress that completion of the San Diego Border Fence Project is a priority of the DHS.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 7/25/2002) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 7/25/2002 House amendment agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the Hunter amendment (A00 Agreed to

H.R.3235 : To amend title 23, United States Code, to withhold highway funds from States that issue drivers' licenses to illegal aliens.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 10/2/2003) Cosponsors (6)
Committees: House Transportation and Infrastructure
Latest Major Action: 10/3/2003 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Highways, Transit and Pipelines.

H.R.4313 : To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act and other Act to provide for true enforcement and border security, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 11/14/2005) Cosponsors (47)
Committees: House Judiciary; House Homeland Security; House Ways and Means; House Government Reform
Latest Major Action: 2/6/2006 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims.

H.AMDT.648 to H.R.4437 Amendment mandates the construction of specific security fencing, including lights and cameras, along the Southwest border for the purposes of gaining operational control of the border; designates fencing in specific sectors; and includes a requirement for the Secretary of Homeland Security to conduct a study on the use of physical barriers along the northern international land and maritime border of the United States.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 12/15/2005) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 12/15/2005 House amendment agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the Hunter amendment (A011) Agreed to by recorded vote: 260 - 159 (Roll no. 640).

Here's a few other bills he personally introduced that you may be interested in during the same timeframe:

H.CON.RES.87 : Concerning economic sanctions against and diplomatic relations with the Government of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 4/27/1993) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Foreign Affairs
Latest Major Action: 8/31/1993 House committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Executive Comment Received from State.

H.R.1868 : To prohibit the lifting of the United States embargo of Vietnam.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 4/27/1993) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Foreign Affairs
Latest Major Action: 8/31/1993 House committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Executive Comment Received from State.

H.R.3648 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide investment incentives for any corporation with a majority of its manufacturing operations in the United States.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 11/22/1993) Cosponsors (3)
Committees: House Ways and Means
Latest Major Action: 11/22/1993 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means.

H.R.2166 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to impose a minimum tax on certain foreign and foreign-controlled corporations.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 8/2/1995) Cosponsors (4)
Committees: House Ways and Means
Latest Major Action: 8/2/1995 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means.

H.CON.RES.365 : Expressing the sense of the Congress regarding liability of Japanese companies to former prisoners of war used by such companies as slave labor during World War II.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 6/28/2000) Cosponsors (7)
Committees: House International Relations
Latest Major Action: 7/17/2000 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific.

H.R.1962 : To prohibit the export of high-performance computers to certain countries until certain applicable provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1998 are fulfilled.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 5/26/1999) Cosponsors (1)
Committees: House International Relations; House Armed Services
Latest Major Action: 9/27/1999 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on International Economic Policy and Trade.

H.R.1962 : To prohibit the export of high-performance computers to certain countries until certain applicable provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1998 are fulfilled.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 5/26/1999) Cosponsors (1)
Committees: House International Relations; House Armed Services
Latest Major Action: 9/27/1999 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on International Economic Policy and Trade.

H.AMDT.223 to H.R.2122 Amendment allows law-abiding residents of the District of Columbia to keep a registered handgun in their home.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 6/18/1999) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 6/18/1999 House amendment agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the Hunter amendment (A009) Agreed to by recorded vote: 213 - 208, 3 Present (Roll no. 241).

H.R.1467 : To withdraw nondiscriminatory treatment (normal trade relations treatment) from the People's Republic of China.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 4/4/2001) Cosponsors (34)
Committees: House Ways and Means
Latest Major Action: 4/19/2001 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Trade.

There's more you may be interested in, but it's 4:30 am and I'm getting sleepy.

Perhaps we can continue this discussion later in the day.