KY - Angry words over anti-illegal immigrant bill

Posted: Feb 09, 2011 12:49 PM PST FRANKFORT, KY. (WDRB Fox 41) -- A heated exchange happened between lawmakers at the Kentucky State Capitol Wednesday over the anti-illegal immigration bill. Representative Jim Wayne from Jefferson County used some strong words to describe a supporter of SB 6.

The bill's author, Senator John Schickel, countered back in a fierce exchange. It was Schickel's guest speaker who ruffled some feathers.

Douglas Roy of Kentuckians for Immigration Reform said, "Many jobs once done by hard-working Kentuckians have gone to illegal aliens who are able to work for a much cheaper wage."

Roy spoke Wednesday before a House committee in favor of the bill. "They covet, lie, cheat, steal, they bear false witness continually, but somehow these are to be good people?"

But his speech was stopped short by Committee Chairman Steve Riggs: "Mr. Roy, I think you're getting beyond the dealing with facts and more with opinions here."

Rep. Jim Wayne, from Jefferson County said Roy's statements hit below the belt: "I was actually more concerned about the venom, the self-righteous hatred that was exuded by his comments."

The bill's author, Senator John Schickel, fired back: "But I just want you to know, Rep. Wayne, that this bill comes from the heart and the head and there's not an ounce of venom by the sponsor or anyone that's voted for it." That comment received applause.

Senate Bill 6 has drawn passionate debate. Tuesday, a rally in Frankfort drew hundreds of protesters who called the bill racist and costly. The bill would allow police to ask a person's illegal immigration status during a "lawful contact." An immigration lawyer says the bill would create five new criminal laws not seen at the federal level.

But immigration attorney Marilyn Daniel said, "Federal law does not make it a crime to be in the United States without legal status. It is not a crime. What this bill proposes would make it a crime in Kentucky...This is stepping way beyond what federal law does."

Hopkinsville's police chief also spoke Wednesday, saying training departments on how to determine immigration status would be costly. He also worries about jail overcrowding, racial profiling, and alienating witnesses.

Committee chair Riggs says debate on this bill is far from over
Video here..... http://www.fox41.com/story/13999939/ang ... ation-bill

It was wild TS I sure wish some of you were there, ol' Roy was quoting the Bible and it was "PanderPalozza!"

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-227589.html

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But immigration attorney Marilyn Daniel said, "Federal law does not make it a crime to be in the United States without legal status. It is not a crime. What this bill proposes would make it a crime in Kentucky...This is stepping way beyond what federal law does."

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are you sure about that Marilyn???

I think this law says otherwise.......


Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

* Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
* Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
* Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.


http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html

"Thanks james, that's why I love this site!" e-mail's on the way!" :D

I think Marilyn needs to go back to law school!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You guys are GOOD!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol:

Proud of ya!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

Lets not forget this:

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE ... C1324.html

james "You're the MAN!" they didn't let us speak at all, or ask any questions!
And any and all e-mails to Rep. Stan Lee would be helpful, they didn't bother to show his questions for Marilyn! That's alright cause I did some smoozing in the hallway! :D

Related kinda I think! :D
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-227589.html

Rep. Stan Lee's contact info.
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/legislator/H045.htm

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Originally Posted by stevetheroofer

Related kinda I think! :D
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-227589.html

Rep. Stan Lee's contact info.
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/legislator/H045.htm

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Who exactly Is on our side here ? Who should I be directing my INTENSE anger towards ? :twisted:

Stan Lee is on our side!
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/legislator/H045.htm

This is the committee chairman who opposes SB6
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/legislator/H031.htm

And this is another opposer!
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/legislator/H095.htm

This is the Senator who sponsored SB6
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/legislator/S011.htm

Thanks "roofer".... I will take action on this... Hopefully,more of our members will do the same... 8)

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I write you concerning this bill because I saw the video of the so called meeting/ hearing on SB6.... I think Marilyn needs to go back to law school! Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who: * Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or * Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or * Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime. Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense. And..... Lets not forget this: "Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both." Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A): A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he: * assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or * encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or * knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions. Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief. What has happened to OUR Country ?... James

:wink: Thanks James.... :D

"Mind if I quote you on that?"
I'm gonna anyway! :D

Immigration bill debate heats up
8:42 pm, Feb 9, 2011 | Written by avanbenschoten

FRANKFORT – During a lengthy committee meeting Wednesday on a controversial “Arizona-styleâ€

Response to a Pro-ILLEGAL comment on the source article:

"Reagan's Blanket Amnesty of the 80's is the main reason today's ILLEGALS expect and DEMAND another such Amnesty and if it is granted the ILLEGALS will continue to come to steal our resources and DEMANDING another BLANKET AMNESTY.

The Jewish people referenced were Citizens of Germany. The Nazis exploited a segment of their own Citizens as scapegoats, utilizing atrocities to take power. However, the United States is being invaded by ILLEGALS from outside of our Nation and our Elitist Politicians sponsored by the Special Interest Groups benefitting financially from the ILLEGALS refuse to secure our National Borders and protect United States Citizens."

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/nkypolitics ... -heats-up/

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Committee member Rep. Jim Wayne, D-Louisville, called Roy’s remarks “venomous, self-righteous hatredâ€

Here is the email I just sent this traitor:

Quote: Committee member Rep. Jim Wayne, D-Louisville, called Roy’s remarks “venomous, self-righteous hatredâ€

The more Kentucky is opened to attracting the ILLEGALS while other states are initiating laws to protect their Citizens from the ILLEGALS the more the ILLEGALS will scurry to Kentucky and the more the cost of the ILLEGALS will increase except for the ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS, Special Interest Groups, and the Political Contributors who expect the Citizen Taxpayers to pay for the above benefits for their ILLEGALS while they fatten their bottom line.

[quote="nomas"]Here is the email I just sent this traitor:
Quote: Committee member Rep. Jim Wayne, D-Louisville, called Roy’s remarks “venomous, self-righteous hatredâ€

I tried to post to his site and it came up an error. They may have taken the site down.

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Originally Posted by BillCunnane

I tried to post to his site and it came up an error. They may have taken the site down.

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"It popped right up?"

I sent Wayne a nice little email yesterday!! http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/x...367/kekeke.gif