Thread: Kyl: Time to give amnesty to illegals, then move on

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Kyl: Time to give amnesty to illegals, then move on
By Mark Flatten, Tribune
March 31, 2005

Americans need to accept some type of amnesty for illegal immigrants living in the United States in return for tougher border enforcement and reforms in federal law, Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., said Wednesday.

Kyl said he does not like the notion of rewarding those already in the country illegally. The political reality, though, is that some compromise giving them temporary legal status is the only way to build a coalition in Congress to pass other reforms to curb illegal immigration permanently, he said.

"Politically, we have to have a means to accommodate those here illegally," Kyl said during a meeting with the Tribune editorial board. "It is too bad that we have allowed 11 million (immigrants) to be here illegally, but we have to deal with that reality."

The mechanism Kyl favors would allow those already here illegally to obtain temporary legal status to work. Those who wish to obtain a more permanent work permit, or green card, would have to return to their country of origin and apply through the normal channels.

That would be coupled with a greatly expanded guest worker program, more controls at the border and better enforcement of immigration laws inside the United States, Kyl said.

The ultimate solution to illegal immigration will be a high-tech employment identification card, encrypted with biometric information such as fingerprints, to ensure only those legally in the United States could work here, Kyl said. The card would be needed by everyone, including U.S. citizens, but would not become the equivalent of a national identification card, he said. People would not need to carry the card with them, only present it to a prospective employer to get hired, he said.

Kyl’s comments came the same day the U.S. Customs and Border Protection announced more than 500 additional Border Patrol agents will be assigned to Arizona to deter illegal immigrants from crossing the border. It also came two days before hundreds of volunteers will begin their own efforts to watch the border and report illegal crossings in what they call the Minuteman Project.

The group of citizens, some of whom plan to be armed, has been criticized by President Bush and federal law enforcement officials. Kyl said he understands the frustration of the Minuteman volunteers, but doubts they will do much good.

Kyl said Congress likely is to pass an immigration reform bill this year. Bush’s proposal, which would allow those already here illegally to obtain legal status for up to six years, is encountering stiff resistance from those who want tougher enforcement of existing laws.

"We will not get a good bill passed unless there is a belief that the administration is serious about enforcing the law," Kyl said. "People are pretty cynical about that right now."

Dang it Kyl, just when I was starting to like you, then you had to come up with this crap. When are politicans going to learn that amnesty for illegal aliens under any circumstances is unacceptable and the American people are fed up with it?

Americans need to accept some type of amnesty for illegal immigrants living in the United States in return for tougher border enforcement and reforms in federal law, Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., said Wednesday.

Wrong Kyle. What you politicans need to accept is that American citizens are sick and tired of lawbreakers being rewarded because of your failure to grow a spine and enforce our laws. Have you people learned nothing from the minutemen at the border? It's simple, more enforcement means less illegals, what part of that do you yellow bellies not get?

Kyl said he does not like the notion of rewarding those already in the country illegally. The political reality, though, is that some compromise giving them temporary legal status is the only way to build a coalition in Congress to pass other reforms to curb illegal immigration permanently, he said.

That's a load of crap. We have been compromising amnesties for illegals for decades now and what good has it done us? More amnesties leads to more illegal immigration which leads to more of the status quo. Americans aren't going to fall for this one time amnesty then law enforcement garbage rhetoric ever again because we all know that any new laws passed after amnesty will not be enforced and the flood gates will remain open. You all lied to us back in 86 and we know your lying to us now so shut your pie hole because we aint buying your goobly gook. So you Kyle can take your compromise for amnesty and shove it. You want to talk compromise, how about compromising your paycheck Mr Senator to pay for all of the taxpayer benefits that the illegal aliens suck up every year? Yeah that's what I thought.

"Politically, we have to have a means to accommodate those here illegally," Kyl said during a meeting with the Tribune editorial board. "It is too bad that we have allowed 11 million (immigrants) to be here illegally, but we have to deal with that reality."

Accomodate the illegals? How about accomodating them with deportation like the laws state Mr Senator? You Mr Senator should deal with the reality that we Americans are sick and tired of you and your collegues incompetence and refusal to enforce our laws and then leaving us the taxpayers left holding the sack of horse manure in the end. It's you and your collegues fault that there are 11 million or more illegals in this country and it's your job to enforce our laws and you have to deal with that reality. No more of this amnesty crap. You wouldn't give convicted felons amnesty so why should Mexican illegals be any different?

The mechanism Kyl favors would allow those already here illegally to obtain temporary legal status to work. Those who wish to obtain a more permanent work permit, or green card, would have to return to their country of origin and apply through the normal channels.

Yeah return home. Like that is going to happen. I'll tell you what's going to happen is that the illegals will get amnestied under this guest worker bill, they will bring over their entire families and after 3 to 6 years when their time is up the government is going to say "oh you worked so hard, we're going to give you citizenship". Come on, this pathetic bureaucracy couldn't even keep track of 19 Arab Hijackers before 9-11 when their visas expired, yet these clowns are going to keep track of 20 million new guest workers?

That would be coupled with a greatly expanded guest worker program, more controls at the border and better enforcement of immigration laws inside the United States, Kyl said.

Somebody humor me on why we need to have a massive amnesty for illegals in order to have the political will to secure our borders and enforce our laws. Shouldn't we be doing that before we talk about this guest worker/amnesty nonsense?

The ultimate solution to illegal immigration will be a high-tech employment identification card, encrypted with biometric information such as fingerprints, to ensure only those legally in the United States could work here, Kyl said. The card would be needed by everyone, including U.S. citizens, but would not become the equivalent of a national identification card, he said. People would not need to carry the card with them, only present it to a prospective employer to get hired, he said.

Oh sure, no problem. Just legalize all Mexican citizens, that'll solve the problem and then I'm sure they'll get a card too.

The group of citizens, some of whom plan to be armed, has been criticized by President Bush and federal law enforcement officials. Kyl said he understands the frustration of the Minuteman volunteers, but doubts they will do much good.

Yeah they've only cut about 60 percent of illegal alien crossings in their area of coverage in an area that usually gets swamped with illegals. No Big Deal Senator.

"We will not get a good bill passed unless there is a belief that the administration is serious about enforcing the law," Kyl said. "People are pretty cynical about that right now."

No kidding? Really? Maybe because some members of Congress actually have a brain and realize that giving amnesty to illegals much like Socialism and Communism is an abject failure that shouldn't be tried again and again and again and we'll you get the point.