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    Utah to send illegal alien drivers' fingerprints to F.B.I. database

    Wolf's Mouth

    An amendment to the driving-privilege law has advocates for Utah's undocumented community worried

    By Stephen Dark @stephenpdark


    • Luis Garza, executive director of Latino-advocacy nonprofit Comunidades Unidas


    Starting July 1, 2015, undocumented individuals who apply for an original Utah driving-privilege card, or for the annual renewal of an existing card, will have their fingerprints sent to the FBI's Next Generation Identification (NGI) database.

    Since 2011, applicants have had their fingerprints checked against eight Western state databases for felony convictions.

    The 6-month-old FBI NGI system significantly "expands" the bureau's abilities to mine information from fingerprints, according to an FBI press release, providing nationwide criminal-background checks that include misdemeanors along with felonies.

    Utah immigration advocates fear it also has the potential of identifying to Immigration & Customs Enforcement agents undocumented residents—whose only crime relates to their being caught re-entering the United States after being deported or traveling back to their native countries to visit family.


    In excess of 30,000 residents hold Utah driving-privilege cards, down from a peak of 43,000 in 2008. The 2015 legislative amendment to Utah's 10-year-old driving privilege statute means that, as of July 1, 2015, those who hold the card will have to decide whether to submit his or her fingerprints for a comprehensive criminal background check, or drive without the card and pay a much higher insurance rate—or even drive uncovered. The driving-privilege card allows drivers without papers to obtain insurance, but advocates believe the FBI's national database will also include U.S. Border Patrol records.


    Luis Garza is executive director of Latino-advocacy nonprofit Comunidades Unidas. Illegal re-entry, Garza says, "is very, very common." He estimates that at least one-fifth of Utah's 88,000 to 110,000 undocumented residents have gone back to their native countries—typically to be with ill or dying relatives—have been caught trying to get back into the United States and deported, with a minimum 5- or 10-year ban on returning.

    They have subsequently returned without detection, "and that's the only thing they've done wrong," he says.


    Immigration-law attorney Aaron Tarin says, "I don't want people driving on the road with no license, no insurance. But I'm also concerned a lot of people are unknowingly going to walk into the wolf's mouth."


    Department of Public Safety's Commissioner Keith Squire approached the Legislature last fall in search of a more extensive background check, following news last year that a man who had killed two police officers in another state was nevertheless able to secure a Utah driving-privilege card. That news offered opponents of the driving card an opportunity to repeal it, says the amendment's Senate sponsor, Sen. Curt Bramble, R-Provo. According to Bramble, he told immigration advocates they were "better off" with the amendment, rather than risking "losing the program altogether."


    The federal-level background check and a price hike from $80 to $109.50 for the initial application makes advocate Garza wonder, "Do they want people to get it or not? They are putting more and more barriers up, and people are going to drive anyway."


    Applicant fingerprints taken by the Driver License Division are sent to Utah's Bureau of Criminal Information [BCI]. Since the 2011 introduction of the eight-state criminal background check, BCI has sent out 1,430 notifications to ICE of applicants identified by the databases as having felony convictions, as well as 1,360 notices of outstanding warrants to local police departments. If an undocumented individual has a felony on their record, that makes them a top deportation priority for ICE.


    Information from the FBI database will be available to ICE via a secure website, says BCI chief Alice Moffat. "It really hasn't changed, other than it's on a nationwide basis." She expressed doubt that border-patrol records would be included. But, after City Weekly supplied her with a copy of a recent FBI fingerprint report for a Utah resident whose criminal record was a 1998 "attempted illegal entry into the U.S." from Mexico, she acknowledged such reports could be included in the FBI check.


    Since the implementation of the driving-privilege card, Tarin estimates that, after applying for cards, thousands of Utah residents "have been picked up," by ICE. "ICE is very unpredictable in their enforcement priorities, and we just never know when and to what extent they might decide to go after people in the database."


    "Anibal" (not his real name), resides in Utah and is the 27-year-old father of an infant son. The child resides with his mother in Hawaii. Anibal, who requested anonymity because of his immigration status, came to Utah from Guatemala with his parents and brother when he was 3. It wasn't until he was 13, he says, that he realized an invisible line separated him from his U.S. born younger sister. "The word 'undocumented' is like a stain," he says. "Being undocumented, your possibilities of a future are extremely crippled."


    Anibal's parents took their children back to Guatemala several times and in the process were picked up at the border, resulting in several removal orders for them and their then-minor sons. "His immigration history is such that I don't recommend he get his prints taken," Anibal's attorney Tarin says.


    Anibal rejects the option of waiting to see the new amendment's impact. "I don't have the luxury to wait. I just don't. My future depends on it, and my son depends on me."


    As a minor, he secured a standard driver license prior to the privilege card becoming law. At age 25, however, once the license had expired, he had to enroll in the driving-privilege card program. He then decided to give up his $50,000-per-year software-programming position, out of fear of being asked to leave because of his undocumented status. Then he learned that, if he were to renew his driving-privilege card in 2016, his presence in the country with his removal history from his childhood might result in his being red-flagged by ICE.

    While he is applying for citizenship, he first has to resolve the prior deportation orders from his childhood in order to be eligible.


    "To me, it's devastating," he says. "Here I was an individual pursuing education; I have goals in my life. One moment to the next, I felt like I had no exit. The walls were just tumbling down. —I had no choice but to stand still, take the hits and see what I could do."


    Word has yet to filter down to most of the Latino community about the amendment, Garza says. "People don't know yet the type of consequences it will have," he says—and he and his nonprofit cannot tell them what to do. "I know people will ask us, but it's up to them. It's up to each family."

    http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/wolfs...nt?oid=2790451

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    We need every state plugged into this system, including all past license fingerprints.
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    I'm sorry but this is a ruse. The FBI has no authority over illegal aliens. DHS, IRS, Justice Department, State Department, Commerce Department, Education Department, Department of Health and Human Services, Department of Defense, all want illegal aliens to become permanent residents. For anyone to believe this ruse has anything at all to do with stopping illegal immigration, please wake up. This is an inroad for all citizens to be fingerprinted and entered into the FBI database, which I strongly oppose for reasons all to obvious to mention, but chief among them, so every American is in every possible tracking devise of the federal government fearing an eventual revolution or uprising of some sort over the policies of this treasonous government. It's not illegal aliens they want to hammer, it's American citizens objecting to the destruction of our own nation.

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    I.C.E. and all other D.H.S. agencies have full access to the new F.B.I. fingerprint database.
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    "The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security have merged their databases of fingerprints of millions of criminals and illegal immigrants, in an unprecedented interagency effort to catch more terrorists and solve more crimes. Since the Sept. 11 [2001] terrorist attacks, law enforcement officials have worried that terrorists could escape detection because the federal government's numerous criminal and immigration databases weren't interconnected. Officials say this new link, which occurred without fanfare on Sunday [September 3, 2006], will help close that gap." (McClatchy Newspapers)

    This article relays that "federal agencies hope to eventually offer access to police departments across the country, which likely would provoke a controversy over how involved police departments should be in immigration enforcement."
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    New Database Merges FBI, Homeland Security Fingerprint Systems


    By Marisa Taylor
    McClatchy Newspapers (MCT)


    WASHINGTON--The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security have merged their databases of fingerprints of millions of criminals and illegal immigrants, in an unprecedented interagency effort to catch more terrorists and solve more crimes.

    Since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, law enforcement officials have worried that terrorists could escape detection because the federal government's numerous criminal and immigration databases weren't interconnected. Officials say this new link, which occurred without fanfare on Sunday, will help close that gap.

    Federal agencies hope to eventually offer access to police departments across the country, which likely would provoke a controversy over how involved police departments should be in immigration enforcement.

    "These are people who have violated immigration or criminal laws," said Robert Mocny, the acting director of US-VISIT, the agency that oversees the DHS database. "The people who need to make decisions about those individuals haven't had access to that information. Now they will."

    With the new link, airport inspectors and border agents will be able to access more information in the FBI's database, the Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System, known as IAFIS.

    The system, which the FBI bills as the world's largest biometric database, allows law enforcement officials to search the fingerprints and criminal history information of more than 47 million people. Previously, DHS had access to information that often was days old and hand-delivered to investigators.

    Under the newly merged system, FBI agents can check the fingerprints of criminal suspects against a DHS database, known as IDENT, which contains 1 million fingerprints of illegal immigrants who have been ordered deported by immigration judges.

    Mocny said his agency also plans to offer willing police departments access to the database over the next two years.

    The Dallas and Boston police departments will be the first two police departments to test out the newly merged system, he said, giving officers the ability to check criminal suspects' fingerprints against those of deported immigrants for the first time.

    Most police departments can run only name checks or call a DHS help line to find out if a suspect has been deported previously.

    Mocny said he expected the newly merged database to spark a debate among police chiefs "who either have been reticent or just haven't been allowed by their city council or county ward to assist DHS in immigration-related crimes."

    "This may show the community that they have a large population of illegal immigrants who have criminal backgrounds," he said.

    Even so, Mocny acknowledged his agency could not roll out a system for all major police departments until the system is fully tested because it might overwhelm immigration authorities.

    "We've got about 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States," he said. "We want to build up the capacity of how we're going to be able to respond."

    Officials with the Boston police departments did not return calls. A spokesman for the Dallas police department said he wasn't aware of the pilot program.

    Thomas Frazier, the executive director of the Major Cities Police Chiefs Association, said access to the immigration database will help police officers better identify criminals. However, he predicted that most police officers would not want to become entangled in enforcing immigration laws. Such scrutiny could harm a police department's relationship with immigrant communities and discourage immigrants from reporting crimes, he said.

    "Where major city police chiefs are clearly in opposition to the administration is that we're not going to start stopping people on the street and running their fingerprints to check to see if they're illegal immigrants," said Frazier, a former Baltimore police commissioner. "What the federal government wants us to do is turn into an adjunct immigration agency. That's not our job and we don't have the training to do that job."

    The system still has weaknesses that could be exploited by criminals or terrorists, some experts said.

    Technology experts have concluded the immigration system, IDENT, should be collecting 10 fingerprints per person, instead of only two, to make the most reliable match because some criminals try to avoid detection by wearing down their fingerprints. US-VISIT plans to start using 10 fingerprints over the next two years.

    "It will be a great tool for both immigration officers and law enforcement," said Jessica Vaughn, a senior policy analyst for the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington think tank that advocates tougher immigration enforcement. "But it's not enough and it's very belated."


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    "The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security have merged their databases of fingerprints of millions of criminals and illegal immigrants, in an unprecedented interagency effort to catch more terrorists and solve more crimes. Since the Sept. 11 [2001] terrorist attacks, law enforcement officials have worried that terrorists could escape detection because the federal government's numerous criminal and immigration databases weren't interconnected. Officials say this new link, which occurred without fanfare on Sunday [September 3, 2006], will help close that gap." (McClatchy Newspapers) This article relays that "federal agencies hope to eventually offer access to police departments across the country, which likely would provoke a controversy over how involved police departments should be in immigration enforcement."

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    Big deal. What do they plan to do with it? Make sure they all register and vote Democrat? It sure isn't to arrest and deport them, that's for sure.
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    For me why would I trust an agency that lied about hair forensics on the witness stand for 20 years be trusted today? I am not that crazy. How much should they be allowed to function in law enforcement? After Ruby Ridge I pleaded with Bill Clinton to disband them! Of Course he did not, of course he offered no justification to me about his decision.

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    Luis Garza is executive director of Latino-advocacy nonprofit Comunidades Unidas. Illegal re-entry, Garza says, "is very, very common." He estimates that at least one-fifth of Utah's 88,000 to 110,000 undocumented residents have gone back to their native countries—typically to be with ill or dying relatives—have been caught trying to get back into the United States and deported, with a minimum 5- or 10-year ban on returning.

    They have subsequently returned without detection, "and that's the only thing they've done wrong," he says.
    That my friend is a felony!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinssdad View Post
    For me why would I trust an agency that lied about hair forensics on the witness stand for 20 years be trusted today? I am not that crazy. How much should they be allowed to function in law enforcement? After Ruby Ridge I pleaded with Bill Clinton to disband them! Of Course he did not, of course he offered no justification to me about his decision.

    Lie once, you are suspicious, lie for twenty years you deserve no respect or credibility ever again.
    Exactly. And the FBI lied about bullet metal matches since the Assassination of President Kennedy. They were finally outed a few years ago by a University study in Texas, I believe it was Texas A&M, and the FBI didn't dispute it.
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