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    Maryland county’s count suggests noncitizens voting across U.S.

    Lawsuit on behalf of Marylanders compared jury pools

    By Rowan Scarborough - The Washington Times - Sunday, March 19, 2017

    The debate over noncitizens voting was a hot topic a few years ago in Frederick County, a prosperous Maryland suburb wedged between Washington’s urban metropolis and the state’s rural western gateway to the rest of America.

    Conservative activists went to court to show that noncitizens were registering fraudulently to vote. A court employee met their request by turning over pages of residents’ names disqualified from jury duty because of alien status.

    When those lists were compared with voting records for just three years — 2007, 2008 and 2011 — nearly 180 noncitizens were found to have registered to vote. Of those, 63 had voted, some in multiple elections. The 180 registered votes came from 1,400 disqualified noncitizens in those three years, a rate of 12.8 percent.

    The issue of noncitizen voters has taken on national importance. President Trump, who said 3 million or so voted illegally in November, plans to name a federal task force to investigate.

    Frederick County’s numbers offer a limited snapshot from a handful of jury pools, but they indicate that noncitizens are registered to vote and are casting ballots in states, which administer federal, state and local elections.

    “Obviously, there are people on the voting rolls who have no business being on the voter rolls,” said conservative activist Daniel M. Gray, a lawyer who filed the lawsuit. “What needs to be determined is how extensive is this. How many noncitizens weren’t summoned for jury duty and went ahead and voted?”

    Census data matched to raw survey statistics indicate that as many as 2 million noncitizens could be registered to vote in the U.S.
    Liberals dismiss such surveys. A group of political scientists declared that “zero” noncitizens vote in U.S. elections. Washington’s liberal news media used their analysis to pronounce studies showing otherwise as being “debunked.”

    But the Frederick County court case deals with real people, not polls, and it shows aliens do indeed vote. And Frederick is not alone.

    The Washington Times reported March 1 on two developments in Virginia:

    • A state delegate asked 133 local governments to provide numbers on noncitizens disqualified from jury pools. The response was spotty, at best. But Loudoun County reported 9,000 such disqualifications from 2009 to 2014. Since potential juror names come from the Department of Motor Vehicles or voter registration rolls, the figure suggests a significant number of noncitizens voting.
    • The Public Interest Legal Foundation, a conservative nonprofit against voter fraud, reported on its ongoing investigation. From six Virginia counties and two cities (of a total 133), it found 1,000 noncitizens registered to vote and that 200 of them had voted.

    The Frederick County lawsuit was brought to U.S. District Court in Baltimore in 2014 by Mr. Gray, a lawyer in Fairfax County, Virginia, on behalf of four Maryland residents.

    His argument: Illegal voters were violating legal voters’ right to due process. This was happening because, as the lawsuit states, “said actions allow plaintiffs’ lawful votes, cast as properly registered voters, to be diluted or canceled by votes cast by people unauthorized to vote under Maryland law.”

    The lawsuit asked the federal judge to order Frederick County and the State Board of Elections to take steps to prevent noncitizens from voting.

    The case did not go far. Mr. Gray said he realized that constitutional issues prevented him from winning at the federal level and that he likely had no chance in a state court.

    But the court case allowed him to file the data from Frederick County — proof that illegal immigrants, albeit a tiny sporadic sample, vote in Maryland.

    “This research is very revealing,” Mr. Gray told The Washington Times. “It means there’s lot more illegal voting than anyone is willing to concede. On the one hand, someone could say, ‘Oh, they are just avoiding jury duty and a convenient reason to do so.’ On the other hand, there’s an admission by them. They are showing they are not citizens of the United States.”

    State Delegate Haven N. Shoemaker Jr., Carroll County Republican, has introduced in the Maryland General Assembly the Voter Registration Integrity Act.

    It would require the jury commissioner and elections clerks to communicate with each other — something Mr. Shoemaker says they have not been doing. The jury commissioners would provide lists of those who have been excused for noncitizenship, and elections officials would cross-check voter rolls and take steps to remove any names that appear.

    “It seems like common sense to me,” he said. “Because we have motor-voter in Maryland, you can go to MVA and register to vote there. And all you have to do is check a box that says you are a United States citizen.”

    How many noncitizens vote in Maryland? “We don’t know,” Mr. Shoemaker said. “No one keeps statistics on that.”
    Maryland does not ask voters for ID at the polls.

    Mr. Shoemaker said the chances are slim that the Democrat-controlled assembly will pass his bill. The Democratic Party nationally embraces illegal immigrants by supporting sanctuary cities and providing driver’s licenses and access to welfare benefits to aliens.
    A spokeswoman for the Maryland State Board of Elections did not return an email or a voicemail inquiry.

    Mr. Gray said it is relatively easy for noncitizens to register to vote with a driver’s license or other state ID: Simply attest on an online form that you are a U.S. citizen, mail in the form and you are registered. Federal audits show that fraudulent IDs and Social Security numbers circulate among illegal immigrants.

    Frederick County, with its 243,000 residents, is becoming more ethnically diverse. Its Hispanic population has increased to 8.4 percent.

    One major study has been conducted on noncitizen voting.

    An analysis by professors at Old Dominion University, using polling and other data, found that 6.4 percent of noncitizens voted illegally in the 2008 presidential election. The overall number could be as high as 2 million but also could be much lower.

    A national poll of Hispanic U.S. residents in 2013 found that 13 percent of noncitizens said they were registered to vote.

    Compared to the U.S. census for that year, it could be mean that 800,000 to 2.2 million were registered voters.

    In 2013, the census said, 11.8 million noncitizen Hispanics were living in the U.S.

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    I want to know how many non citizens are registered to vote in California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorrie View Post
    I want to know how many non citizens are registered to vote in California.
    Second that. There has to be but with this one-party state rule we may never know.
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    Trump dismantles voter fraud commission: Here's what the controversial group did

    By Kaitlyn Schallhorn | Fox News



    Trump voter fraud commission: Some refusing to cooperate


    President Trump dismantled his controversial voter fraud commission as the group faced lawsuits, oppositions from states and fighting among its members.

    On social media, Trump accused “Democrat States” of refusing to turn over information requested by the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity – tasked with investigating alleged voter fraud in the 2016 election – because “they know that many people are voting illegally.”

    “System is rigged,” Trump said, calling for more stringent voter ID laws.


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    A June 2017 letter addressed to states from the commission asked for “publicly available voter roll data.” However, the letter also requested a lot of specific details, including: parts of Social Security numbers, dates of birth, addresses and information regarding felony convictions or military status.

    Officials plan to erase the information already collected by the commission, White House Director of Technology Charles Herndon said in a declaration submitted to federal court.

    The commission was also hit with a bevy of legal obstacles by organizations and state lawmakers regarding its practices.

    What was the commission?


    Trump created the commission through an executive order in May. It was expected to investigate instances of alleged voter fraud in the 2016 election.


    President Donald Trump speaks at the first meeting of the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity co-chaired by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (L) and Vice President Mike Pence (R). (Reuters/Kevin Lamarque)


    Vice President Mike Pence chaired the commission with Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach serving as its vice chair.

    Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap, a Democrat on the commission, sued the group in federal court. He alleged, in part, that it violated federal law by refusing to provide him documents made available to other members.

    Dunlap also blamed Kobach and his allies for “stonewalling” progress on the commission.

    Why did Trump create it in the first place?


    In the days following his inauguration, Trump called for a “major investigation” into alleged voter fraud in the U.S.

    Trump has claimed multiple times that between 3 and 5 million “illegals” voted for Democrat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election, thus costing him the popular vote. These claims have not been verified.
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    However, critics have said the commission was part of a campaign to make it more difficult for lower-income and minority voters to access a ballot box. Others said it was an effort by the Trump administration to distract from the ongoing investigation into Russian collusion in the 2016 election.

    Why did Trump decide to disband it?


    White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Trump signed an executive order to dismantle the commission “rather than engage in endless legal battles at taxpayer expense.”

    She said the Department of Homeland Security has been asked to review the group’s initial findings and “determine [the] next course of action.”

    In his declaration, Herndon said “state voter data will not be transferred to or accessed or utilized by” DHS, Politico noted.

    Kobach called the disbanding of the commission a “tactical change” and said DHS can still pursue its own probe into election fraud in a quicker manner.

    "The Democrats, both on and off the commission, made very clear that they were not interested in determining the scope and extent of voter fraud and, indeed, they were trying to stop the commission in its tracks," Kobach said. "The Democrats lost their opportunity, lost their seat at the table, by stonewalling."

    Several secretaries of state, Republican and Democrat, bucked a request for sensitive data by the commission or said they would only provide limited data.

    Mississippi Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann, a Republican, suggested the commission “go jump in the Gulf of Mexico.” Even Kobach said his state would only provide some of the data requested by his commission.

    The Associated Press contributed to this report.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/10/trump-dismantles-voter-fraud-commission-heres-what-controversial-group-did.html



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    "The Democrats, both on and off the commission, made very clear that they were not interested in determining the scope and extent of voter fraud and, indeed, they were trying to stop the commission in its tracks," Kobach said. "The Democrats lost their opportunity, lost their seat at the table, by stonewalling."



    Why were democrats appointed to this commission?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post


    Why did Trump decide to disband it?


    White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Trump signed an executive order to dismantle the commission “rather than engage in endless legal battles at taxpayer expense.”

    Some battles are worth fighting for, and this is one of them.

    He didn't want to fight this at tax payer expense, but ignores what the illegals are costing the tax payers.
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