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    Mexican Laws Are Strict on Illegals

    One Reporter’s Opinion — Mexican Laws Are Strict on Illegals
    Thursday, November 1, 2007 2:11 PM
    By: George Putnam

    It is this reporter's opinion that when it comes to our shameful immigration situation, Mexican President Felipe Calderon and the outgoing president, Vicente Fox, are one and the same.

    Both are outspoken and critical of U.S. immigration law enforcement. Both support amnesty for all illegals from Mexico. Both continue to use their consulates in the United States and activists — La Raza, MEChA, etc. to meddle in our affairs.

    The recent case of a Mexican rapist-murderer now on death row in Texas illustrates the problem. His name is José E. MedellÃ*n. He was convicted and sentenced to death after he confessed in 1993 to the savage rape and murder of two teenage girls in Houston.

    At this late date, his legal representation again resorts to the courts claiming that under the Vienna Convention aliens accused of crimes in a foreign country are required to request the assistance of consular officials from their country.

    MedellÃ*n never requested such assistance until after all of his appeals were denied.

    Incredibly the Bush administration knuckled under to the World Court, formally known as the International Court of Justice, and ordered the Texas courts to give MedellÃ*n another hearing.

    In this case, we find the Bush administration in opposition to our government and the courts of his own state of Texas.

    Let’s take a look at a glaring contrast between our own lack of enforcement of illegal immigration and Mexico’s very strict immigration laws enforced by every police agency in the country. Two excellent sources on the subject are American citizen Allan Wall, who resides in Mexico with a permit issued by the Mexican government, and John W. Slagle, a U.S. Navy aviation veteran and Border Patrol engineer with service spanning 30 years.

    Wall and Slagle cite Article 33 of the Mexican Constitution that specifically authorizes immediate expulsion of any foreigner whose presence the Mexican government deems objectionable.

    Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics.â€
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    In this case, we find the Bush administration in opposition to our government and the courts of his own state of Texas.

    Maybe it's just me - but that seems to be the situation with the President much of the time.
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    Mexico's hypocrisy on this issue is amazing and shameful. And the pathetic MSM rarely, if ever, points this out.

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    I wish I could shove this in the face of every single pro-illegal activist who calls us racist, bigots, etc. I would LOVE to see how they would twist this around to suit their purposes. And, Vincente Fox and Philip Calderon, where do they get off????? I wish the wimps we have in DC would do something. At least tell those two where to go.
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    Mexico’s Glass House
    How the Mexican constitution treats foreign residents, workers and naturalized citizens
    By J. Michael Waller·
    http://centerforsecuritypolicy.org/home ... wsid=11942

    Introduction
    Every country has the right to restrict the quality and quantity of foreign immigrants entering or living within its borders. If American policymakers are looking for legal models on which to base new laws restricting immigration and expelling foreign lawbreakers, they have a handy guide: the Mexican constitution.1

    Promulgated in 1917, the constitution of the United Mexican States borrows heavily from American constitutional and legal principles. It combines those principles with a strong sense nationalism, cultural self-identity, paternalism, and state power. Mexico’s constitution contains many provisions to protect the country from foreigners, including foreigners legally resident in the country and even foreign-born people who have become naturalized Mexican citizens. The Mexican constitution segregates immigrants and naturalized citizens from native-born citizens by denying immigrants basic human rights that Mexican immigrants enjoy in the United States.

    By making increasing demands that the U.S. not enforce its immigration laws and, indeed, that it liberalize them, Mexico is throwing stones within its own glass house. This paper, the first of a short series on Mexican immigration double-standards, examines the Mexican constitution’s protections against immigrants, and concludes with some questions about U.S. policy.

    Summary
    In brief, the Mexican Constitution states that:
    • Immigrants and foreign visitors are banned from public political discourse.
    • Immigrants and foreigners are denied certain basic property rights.
    • Immigrants are denied equal employment rights.
    • Immigrants and naturalized citizens will never be treated as real Mexican citizens.
    • Immigrants and naturalized citizens are not to be trusted in public service.
    • Immigrants and naturalized citizens may never become members of the clergy.
    • Private citizens may make citizens arrests of lawbreakers (i.e., illegal immigrants)
    and hand them to the authorities.
    • Immigrants may be expelled from Mexico for any reason and without due process.

    J. Michael Waller, Ph.D., is the Center for Security Policy’s Vice President for Information Operations.
    1 The official text of the Constitution of Mexico appears on the Website of the Chamber of Deputies, or lower house of Congress, of the United Mexican States: http://www.cddhcu.gob.mx/leyinfo/txt/1.txt. An authoritative English translation of the Constitution of Mexico, published by the Organization of American States, appears on the Website of Illinois State University: http://www.ilstu.edu/class/hist263/docs/1917const.html. Quotations in this document arefrom the OAS translation.


    The Mexican constitution: Unfriendly to immigrants

    The Mexican constitution expressly forbids non-citizens to participate in the country’s political life. Non-citizens are forbidden to participate in demonstrations or express opinions in public about domestic politics. Article 9 states, “only citizens of the Republic may do so to take part in the political affairs of the country.â€
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    Mexico's Immigration Law: Let's Try It Here at Home
    by J. Michael Waller
    Posted: 05/08/2006

    Mexico has a radical idea for a rational immigration policy that most Americans would love. However, Mexican officials haven’t been sharing that idea with us as they press for our Congress to adopt the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill.

    That's too bad, because Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United States does, has much to teach us about how it handles the immigration issue. Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

    At a time when the Supreme Court and many politicians seek to bring American law in line with foreign legal norms, it’s noteworthy that nobody has argued that the U.S. look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve our illegal immigration problem.

    Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:
    ï‚· in the country legally;
    ï‚· have the means to sustain themselves economically;
    ï‚· not destined to be burdens on society;
    ï‚· of economic and social benefit to society;
    ï‚· of good character and have no criminal records; and
    ï‚· contributors to the general well-being of the nation.

    The law also ensures that:
    ï‚· immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
    ï‚· foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
     foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
    ï‚· foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
    ï‚· foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
    ï‚· those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

    Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens -- and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Población, or General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country's immigration policy.

    It is an interesting law -- and one that should cause us all to ask, Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a crime punishable by more than one year in prison, then Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

    If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry.

    We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [1] Now let's look at Mexico's main immigration law.

    Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
    ï‚· Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)
    ï‚· Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)
    ï‚· Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)
    ï‚· The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 3
    Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
    ï‚· Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
    ï‚· A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
    ï‚· A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

    Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:
    ï‚· Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
    ï‚· Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

    Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:
    ï‚· Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
    ï‚· Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 11
    ï‚· Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.
    Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
    ï‚· "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
    ï‚· Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
    ï‚· Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)
    Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
    ï‚· A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
    ï‚· Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

    All of the above runs contrary to what Mexican leaders are demanding of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico's immigration practices versus its American immigration preachings is telling. It gives a clear picture of the Mexican government's agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States.

    Let's call Mexico's bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let's propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico's own law as a model.

    This article was first posted at CenterforSecurityPolicy.org.

    1. "Mexico's Glass House," Center for Security Policy Occasional Paper, April 3, 2006.
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    MEXICO'S IMMIGRATION LAWS & ILLEGAL ALIENS
    John W. Slagle
    October 28, 2007
    NewsWithViews.com

    Recently Mexican President Calderon has been very outspoken, critical on U.S. Immigration law enforcement efforts and supports Amnesty for all illegal aliens from Mexico residing, working in this nation.

    Contrary to popular belief, Mexico has very strict immigration laws which are enforced by every police agency in the country. The Bureau of Immigration can call upon any law enforcement officer to assist in their mission. Citizens from the United States traveling in Mexico without proper documents, work permits or non immigrant visas are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

    The laws regarding foreign national visitors, immigrants, non-citizens are as clear and concise in Mexico as are our own U.S. laws which are considered unenforceable by many politicians in Washington, D.C.

    * Reglamento de la Ley General de Poblacion (General Law on Population) in Spanish dated Abril 14 de 2000 Capitulo Quinto --Migracion Seccion 1

    Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
    Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress."

    Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents.

    Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy."

    The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest."

    Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
    Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants.
    A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity.
    A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number.

    Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be Imprisoned. Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned.

    Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different is subject to fine and imprisonment.

    Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as Felons. Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished.

    Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years.

    Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison . Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.

    Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population States…
    "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country llegally."

    Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. Foreigners who have contempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported.

    Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals .Under the law, A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison.

    Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. The general immigration laws of Mexico are very similar to 8 U.S. Codes of the I&N Act. The review of basic Immigration laws of various nations including Mexico have been researched by various authors including Professor Michael Waller and Reports for U.S. Congress. Open border advocates, special interest groups in the United States do not appreciate this information made public although the facts have been readily available and widely distributed. Condemning U.S. Laws as cruel and inhumane lacks any measure of common sense when the majority of nations in the world including Mexico have very strict immigration policies.

    Sources*
    1, J. Michael Waller
    Walter and Leonore Annenberg Professor of International Communication
    The Institute of World Politics
    1521 16th Street NW
    Washington, DC 20036
    www.iwp.edu
    2, Personal LEO experience, Intelligence information exchanged on arrests of Special Interest OTM illegal aliens arrested by Policia Federal Mexico in transit to the U.S. 1998-2000. Immigration checkpoints, railroads, bus stations, detention of non Mexican foreign nationals held for security purposes, false documentation to human trafficking in Mexico. Arizona HIDTA Intelligence Center. 2001, HQ WRO Interpol information worldwide on human trafficking arrests in Europe, Central America to Maritime arrests in the South Pacific. Illegal Immigration is a very real global problem country to country from the UK to the Mid East.
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    3, Report for Congress April 2006. Directorate of Legal Research LL File # 2006-02877 titled Immigration Law Sanctions and Enforcement in Selected Foreign Countries...Brazil, Egypt, Japan, Mexico, Sweden, and Switzerland. 2006-02877
    Under Mexico, page 16 , the immigration laws of Mexico is contained within the general population act of Jan. 7, 1994. Section C. Sanctions , Article 6, Federal Penal Code, Article 140. D. Illegal entry is a crime in Mexico (delito) subject to imprisonment for up to 2 years.
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    We Americans have permitted elitists seeking to bolster the voting rolls of one political party with sympathetic new voters, meet the slave labor needs of the other political parties campaign supporters, and those seeking to glut America with socialist minded gullible individuals from other nations, who could care less about America, the American experience, or the potential good America could do for aliens entering America.

    We have failed to hold politically partisan biased media organizations responsible for their failures to report "all" of the facts so Americans can make logical decisions. The media have distorted the truth so the story fits a specific agenda that matches the socialist rhetoric of those seeking a one world order under the United nations. The media has abysmally failed to report facts that would surely change the minds of many Americans not only on what laws are passed, but on which politicians or political parties they would support!

    Now is finally the time to force such news stories out in the open so Americans know they are being led astray by some whose interests have nothing to do with our constitutional or the preservation & protection of the constitutional republic.

    No wonder Lou Dobbs is speaking out. If Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Dobbs, and many others reported on these facts, many minds would finally be made up or seriously changed to reflect doing good for America and not for appearances sake, which is what the leftist elitist crowd wants us to buy into! They want us to feel ashamed of our actions, yet they also do not want us to know we already are the softies & are being had royally!

    We are NOT racists. We are NOT bigots. We want our laws obeyed. We want our nation protected from all enemies, domestic & foreign. We want to play on equal fields with other nations. The laws of Mexico when it comes to immigration policies are NOT equal to ours. In fact, we get the really short end of this stick & elitists want us to feel bad about that. If Mexico deports a mother from her children, we never hear about that. No sob stories, no political action, no huge news reports. But in America it becomes a national crisis. What Bunk!!

    Hope its not too late here in America!
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    Welcome to Alipac, Rubicon. You have excellent insight and make great points.
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