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    Mexico Gloats While Washington Cowers

    http://www.vdare.com/awall/060411_gloat.htm

    Memo From Mexico, By Allan Wall
    Mexico Gloats While Washington Cowers

    It’s a great time for those advancing of Mexican hegemony over U.S. immigration policy. (No—make that over the U.S.)

    Mexican public relations victories on the streets of America’s cities and in the U.S. Senate have been very well-received here in Mexico. Everyone believes that Mexico is winning.

    There are plenty of people eager to take credit. Vicente Fox brags about the open border agitation which has characterized his entire presidential term.

    SRE, the Mexican foreign ministry is boasting as well. SRE spokesman Geronimo Gutierrez credits the SRE’s successful policy of putting U.S. immigration on the bilateral agenda of U.S.-Mexican relations. [ SRE exito en agenda bilateral]

    It’s true. U.S. immigration has become a “bilateral issue”—to be decided upon by both the U.S. and Mexico. (Mexican immigration policy, on the other hand, is an internal matter only to be decided upon by Mexico.)

    Another Mexican government agency claiming credit is the IME—Instituto de los Mexicanos en el Exterior, Institute of Mexicans Abroad. After all, some of the IME’S American-based agents were involved in the protests. [El Instituto de los Mexicanos en el exterior elogia las marchas contra la ley anti-inmigrantes, Yahoo News,(Mexico) March 29, 2006]

    So they deserve credit too.

    The most blatant comment was probably that of Alberto Tinoco, a reporter on the Televisa broadcast. Speaking of the LA " megamarcha", he remarked that

    "With all due respect to Uncle Sam, this shows that Los Angeles has never stopped being ours".

    Influential Mexicans are clearly excited—but they’re still vigilant, still watching U.S. immigration policy closely.

    A recent column by Mexican pundit Sergio Sarmiento sums up the current situation quite well. Much of what he writes, in fact, you could have read on VDARE.COM.

    Who is Sergio Sarmiento? I discovered him in my early years in Mexico, and I still learn a lot from him. One of the top Mexican pundits, he has a real talent for cutting through the baloney and getting to the root of the problem.

    He is beholden to no political party, and has been tireless in pointing out the failings of Mexico’s energy monopoly including PEMEX.

    I’ve quoted Sarmiento in several previous articles (here, for example).

    In Sarmiento’s daily "Jacque Mate" (Checkmate) column of March 29th, 2006 entitled Los migrantes, published in El Siglo de Torreon, he quite systematically and objectively laid out a very good summary of what is going on.

    After his customary initial quotation , Sarmiento begins with this:

    " The United States is not a country that has big protests. That’s why those that took place in various cities the past few days were so surprising. "

    He mentions the Phoenix march (20,000) the Denver march (50,000), and the half a million demonstrators of the LA March 31, 2006 (and not omitting the part about the Mexican flags there).

    (Of course, since he wrote, the protests have grown.)

    A careful observer of the U.S. political scene, Sarmiento pointed out that even in the 1960s, with all the anti-war and civil rights marches, there was never a protest that attracted so many participants.

    Sarmiento continued:

    "The demonstrations have had a political effect. First, the possibility of passage of the radical Sensenbrenner law…has dramatically diminished. President George W. Bush has assumed a more active role in the promotion of a moderate migratory policy. The Senate judiciary committee has approved an initiative that not only rejects the criminal aspects of the Sensenbrenner proposal but that offers a possibility of legalizing more than 11 million undocumented workers in the United States besides permitting new immigration of 400,000 persons a year."

    Now Sarmiento continued with some familiar slogans we’ve heard before:

    "The truth is that the United States can’t magically make 11 million ‘indocumentados’ disappear from its territory. Nor can it keep its economy functioning without workers from other countries."

    Many influential Americans appear to have fallen for these cliches and repeat them as if they were engraved in stone. At VDARE.COM, we have refuted both claims, although the fact that they are so widely and willfully believed is part of the problem. Which is the one of the reasons for VDARE.COM.

    Sarmiento displays his knowledge of the American media

    "The fears that the Sensenbrenner law promoted, nevertheless, have not disappeared. In fact, they have been strengthened by the massive demonstrations of the last few days. Lou Dobbs, host and economic commentator of the CNN television network, who has become one of the principal critics of illegal immigration in the United States and of the Free Trade Agreement with Mexico, commented that the Mexican flags among the demonstrators shows that these immigrants have a dangerous ‘double loyalty’."

    And Sarmiento is aware of Samuel Huntington…

    "These fears have been well documented by Samuel Huntington, author of Who are We? The Challenges to America’s National Identity…who begins his book describing a soccer game between the national teams of Mexico and the United States in a Los Angeles stadium in which the few fans of the American team were attacked by the Mexican majority who threw beer, soft drinks and "other liquids" at them. Only a few weeks ago…the Mexican baseball team defeated the American team in the World Classic before a mostly Mexican audience in San Diego."

    Notice that Sarmiento has not contradicted Lou Dobbs or Samuel Huntingon. Next he discusses the demographic question:

    "The Hispanic population of the United States increased from 22 milllion in 1990 to 35 million in 2000. Many live in linguistically and culturally isolated enclaves and so they don’t easily integrate into the rest of the population of the country. There is no doubt that millions of Hispanics are transforming the American culture, as Huntington has pointed out. "

    Well, you’ve read that on VDARE.COM!

    "Maybe that would be beneficial for the American society, but naturally it bothers many of its members."

    Many Mexicans see their culture as being superior to that of the United States. Therefore, they don’t mind taking ours over. But Sarmiento is not blind to the Mexican double standard:

    "The same would occur in our country. Less than 1 percent of the population dwelling in Mexico was born outside of Mexico, in contrast to 20 percent of the population of the U.S.A. Nevertheless, the rejection of Mexicans toward foreigners is greater. In fact, Mexican law that governs the rights of foreigners is much more discriminatory than that of the United States. If in Mexico we saw a demonstration of half a million Americans hoisting banners of their country, and demanding that they be permitted to stay in Mexico after having entered illegally to Mexican territory, the reaction would certainly be much less benevolent than that of the Americans."

    Good point. In fact, here in Mexico, even us legal gringos aren’t allowed to participate in politics or protest marches.

    In contrast, in the U.S. illegal aliens are marching openly in the streets, waving their flags and demanding their "rights". And they are being catered to.

    Sarmiento goes on…

    "The point, nevertheless, is that the United States now has no way of turning back the clock. For decades Washington has maintained a migratory policy designed to provide cheap labor to businesses. That’s why until now they have not punished those who hire illegals—but without giving rights of residents to the immigrants. Now, with 11 million illegals in the country, it is already too late."

    Sarmiento is exactly right to point out that we have had a cheap labor policy for decades. But whether or not it’s too late to turn things around depends on whether or not the American people will demand their government turn things around.

    Here is how Sarmiento ends the article…

    " If it is true, as some have said, that Mexicans have begun the reconquista of the territory that the United States took by force from Mexico between 1835 and 1848, they have been able to do this thanks to the fact that the Americans themselves have permitted it. " [Si es verdad, como han dicho algunos, que los mexicanos han empezado la reconquista del territorio que Estados Unidos tomó por la fuerza de México entre 1835 y 1848, esto lo han podido hacer gracias a que los mismos estadounidenses lo permitieron.]

    EXACTLY!

    It’s what my Mexican wife says: "¿Quién tiene la culpa? Ustedes los gringos – por permitirlo."—"It’s you gringos’ fault—for allowing it."

    She’s right, of course.

    We allow illegal aliens to flout our law and demand privileges.

    We allow a foreign government to dictate immigration policy to us.

    We allow American employers to flout the law and defraud the taxpayer without consequences.

    And when things get out of hand, our leaders’ solution is more of the same.

    Unless Americans can force their leaders to change, Sergio Sarmiento’s prediction will prove correct—the process will be irreversible.

    You won’t read this in the Wall Street Journal. But it’s what the Mexicans themselves are saying.
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    I think Vicente Fox rules over George Bush. I guess that makes Vicente Fox president of the U.S..
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    And finally an admission that there are more than 11 million in this country. It said there were 20 million in 2000...plus they add about 3 million a year...just as I've always said...nearer 50 million than 11.

    We have to get in the faces of our reps. We cannot allow this to continue.

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    pride cometh before the fall ... it ain't over till the fat lady sings, and we ain't even tuned up yet
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    The more they keep pushing it in our faces the angrier we become. Eventually all anger breaks. They're becoming angrier too. Everybody is getting angrier. A society can't remain this way. History shows us what happens when the anger cannot be contained any longer. Look at all the revolutions sparked by anger in the worlds history.
    Comments like the ones in the article stokes the fires and not in their favor. Instead of faking everything, like they did by carrying mostly American flags this last round, and making niceties, they believe they now have the numbers to dominate. To control and to enforce their will upon us and the United States of America!
    The illegals watch our governments responses to them very closely. They're on the inside also. What have they seen the government do in response to their massive demonstrations and demands? NOTHING! This empowers the illegals even more. They will get bolder, more violent and think they own the place. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    There's a White man with the number one rated (at this network and it's huge one) online radio show trying to gather up a small army to overthrow the government. I kid you not. He has a huge following and he's calling for war. There are people joining up. Read so many posts now on other forums of people preparing to take violent actions. Mostly on one Hispanic and some White sites. I'm not a member of them, but I monitor what's going on as much as I can.
    We are at an extremely critical point in our lives, our children's lives, and the life of this nation. This is serious and none of us have been in a more serious situation. This crisis involves hundreds of millions of people in this country alone. I am ready for whatever happens as best I can be.

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    Many Mexicans see their culture as being superior to that of the United States. Therefore, they don’t mind taking ours over. But Sarmiento is not blind to the Mexican double standard:
    I don't know where to begin. Illegaly entering our country, taking jobs they are not entitled to, driving without licenses or insurance, having multitudes of children that they have no way to support other than by sucking off of US taxpayer, taking food stamps,welfare and free medical care meant for US citiznes, throwing tantrums in the streets all over our country costing the taxpayer hundreds of thousands more, turning nice neighborhoods into slums and the list goes on and on. YES I can certainly see where they are SUPERIOR. Their arrogance continues to astonish me yet I have no idea where it comes from.

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    On April 17th - A Day Without Americans

    We Will Shout

    Today We March !!!

    Tomorrow We Fight !!!

    Our Govt better be listen to us.

    Enough is - too Much !!!



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    April 17th - A Day Without Americans

    too bad America doesn't know what's going on -- this could be the day American citizens refuse to file their taxes . . . NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
    "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it" George Santayana "Deo Vindice"

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    Mexican public relations victories on the streets of America’s cities and in the U.S. Senate have been very well-received here in Mexico. Everyone believes that Mexico is winning.
    I'm convinced that the Mexican people and the American people have even less in common than I might have ever thought. In America we would be outraged that anyone would expect us to go to a country illegally and send back money.

    Don't they even care ? They must have been treated so badly to care that little about themselves. I wonder if Vicente Fox is a dictator, or what ?
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    He thinks he's going to run OUR country too. This guy is crazy. Doesn't he know he's not going to succeed. Not unless we let him.

    Do you want to call him, president of the United States ??? At this point in time he IS !!

    We must all joing together as Americans, Black, White, Young, Old, Rich, Poor, Democrats and Rebublicans and tell him NO. No, you will not dictate America's laws to US

    Come on America !! Stand up for US !!! We cannot let this happen.
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