Mexico president following California marijuana vote: state lawmaker

Mexico president following California marijuana vote: state lawmaker

September 16, 2016

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Mexico's President Enrique Pena Nieto delivers a speech to the media
to announce new cabinet members at Los Pinos presidential residence
in Mexico City, Mexico, September 7, 2016. REUTERS/Edgard Garrido

(This Sept 15 story corrects "asked" in first paragraph to "raised with" California lawmakers)

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto, who has proposed liberalizing his country's drug laws, privately raised with California lawmakers visiting Mexico a state measure to legalize recreational marijuana, a state legislator said on Thursday.

A delegation of California Democratic lawmakers visiting Mexico talked for an hour on Wednesday with Pena Nieto about trade and the state's border with Mexico.

During the meeting, Pena Nieto brought up the November ballot measure without getting into details, California state Senator Ben Allen said in an interview.
"But they're clearly paying close attention," he added.

If California votes to create a legal cannabis market, it would place great pressure on Mexico, which is mired in combating its vast drug-trafficking networks, to follow suit.

There was no mention of the California marijuana initiative in the presidency's report on the meeting, and Pena Nieto's office did not immediately respond to request for comment.

Pena Nieto has said the United States and Mexico should not pursue diverging policies on marijuana legislation and in April proposed a bill to allow Mexicans to carry up to an ounce of marijuana has stalled in Congress.

California's proposal would allow people over 21 years to possess up to an ounce of marijuana for private use and establish a system to license, regulate and tax sales of cannabis.

Recent polls show a majority of Californians favor legalizing marijuana.

Four U.S. states plus the District of Columbia already allow recreational use for adults. Voters in several more states, including the southern border state of Arizona, will consider similar legislation in November.

Long regarded as a conservative on drug policy, Pena Nieto has modified his stance since he took office in 2012, reflecting growing Latin American disenchantment with the war on drugs. A bill to legalize medical marijuana remains in Congress.

Ethan Nadelmann, the executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, said he eventually expects Mexico to be swayed by the fiscal opportunities of regulated cannabis, which he believes could earn California around $1 billion a year in tax revenue.

(Reporting by Gabriel Stargardter; Editing by Cynthia Osterman)



https://www.yahoo.com/news/mexico-pr...193601649.html

I'll say one thing for the people of Mexico. A lot of the citizens cannot tolerate drug traffickers, and no matter what the government does or does not do, they take action.

State Marijuana Laws Map - Governing

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Governing
Twenty-five states and the District of Columbia currently have laws legalizing marijuana in some form. Four states and the District of Columbia have legalized recreational use ...

Cannabis in California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_California

Wikipedia
California was the first state to establish a medical marijuana program, enacted by Proposition 215 in 1996 and Senate Bill 420 in ...

I support legalization of marijuana and hope California and Arizona both pass their proposals in November. This is long over-due. And I hope the other states that have legalized medical marijuana move to expand theirs to include recreational use.

GO STATES!!!

The end of the Drug War will be the death of the drug cartels. The legalization of marijuana is the first step in the end of the Drug War. This will also mean the death of the quack medical marijuana dispensaries.

The legalization of marijuana also means the death of the whole marijuana subculture which owes its vitality to its outlaw status. Marijuana consumption will go down as commercial production and distribution take over.

The next thing to confront and destroy is the use of cocaine. This will be a tougher job to confront because cocaine is a more dangerous drug that is physically addictive and has lethal dosages.

One way to deal with it the same way that marijuana is being dealt with would be legalize growing it and distributing it in leaf form. Coca plants could be legal to grow and coca leaf could be legal to distribute, but processing into cocaine and distributing the same could still be a felony.

Heroin can not be dealt with the same way exactly because the raw extract of the opium poppy is still dangerous. It is a proven plague distributed in this form even when not processed into heroin. Growing the poppy itself should still be legal but distributing the unprocessed resin should still be a felony. One obstacle to distribution for a locally grown poppy is the need for cheap labor, preferably child labor, as found in Afghanistan. We don't have the social environment for cheap harvesting of opium. If poppy could be grown locally legally, then even the criminal distribution of same would be a blow against the international trade in heroin. Of course processing opium into heroin would be a serious felony.

Cut down on repeat offenders.

Indonesia executes drug smugglers by firing squad - Al Jazeera English

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Al Jazeera

Indonesia has executed eight out of nine drug convicts by firing squad despite last-ditch appeals by Australia's foreign minister for a stay of ...

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Cut down on repeat offenders.

"Indonesia executes drug smugglers by firing squad - Al Jazeera English

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Al Jazeera

Indonesia has executed eight out of nine drug convicts by firing squad despite last-ditch appeals by Australia's foreign minister for a stay of ..."

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You might also have mentioned any number of other Muslim countries that execute people for drug offenses. But no fool wants to live like they do in Muslim countries except Muslims. They also execute people for witchcraft.

Fourteen, including America and Cuba, have the death penalty on the books for drug traffickers but do not apply it in practice. Only in six countries—

China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam, Malaysia and Singapore—are drug offenders known to be routinely executed, according to HRI's most recent analysis.Apr 28, 2015

Which countries have the death penalty for drug smuggling?

www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/.../economist-explains-28The Economist

Countries that apply capital punishment for drugs[edit]

Country	Charge(s)
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ladesh.svg.png Bangladesh
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Brunei.svg.png Brunei
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._China.svg.png China
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...f_Cuba.svg.png Cuba
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Egypt.svg.png Egypt
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._India.svg.png India	Option when second conviction for drug trafficking in quantities specified.[1]
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...onesia.svg.png Indonesia
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...f_Iran.svg.png Iran
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...f_Iraq.svg.png Iraq
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Jordan.svg.png Jordan
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Kuwait.svg.png Kuwait
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...f_Laos.svg.png Laos
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...laysia.svg.png Malaysia	[3]
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...orocco.svg.png Morocco
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Korea.svg.png North Korea
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...f_Oman.svg.png Oman
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Qatar.svg.png Qatar
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...kistan.svg.png Pakistan
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Arabia.svg.png Saudi Arabia	Saudi Arabia ranks third in the world for the most executions. 43 percent of those executed in 2015 had been convicted of smuggling drugs, ranging from heroin to marijuana.[4]
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...gapore.svg.png Singapore	see Misuse of Drugs Act (Singapore)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...omalia.svg.png Somalia
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Lanka.svg.png Sri Lanka
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Syria.svg.png Syria
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Sudan.svg.png Sudan
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._China.svg.png Taiwan
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ailand.svg.png Thailand
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...irates.svg.png United Arab Emirates
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...States.svg.png United States	Very large quantities or mixtures of heroin, cocaine, ecgonine, phencyclidine (PCP), lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana, or methamphetamine.[5][6][7] The United States Supreme Court in Kennedy v. Louisiana struck down capital punishment for crimes that do not result in the death of a victim, but left open the possibility for "offenses against the State" – including crimes such as "drug kingpin activity" (and treason and espionage).[8][9]
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ietnam.svg.png Vietnam
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Yemen.svg.png Yemen
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...mbabwe.svg.png Zimbabwe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capita...ug_trafficking

Capital punishment in Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Mexico Wikipedia

Capital punishment in Mexico was officially abolished in 2005, having not been used in civil cases since 1937, and in military cases since 1961.‎
History · ‎International relations · ‎See also · ‎Notes


Support for death penalty climbs in Mexico amid murders - USA Today

www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/.../mexico-death-penalty.../4817247...
USA Today
Jan 24, 2014 - If many people in Mexico had their way, the death penalty would be an option to deal with murderers ...

The State of Texas has executed 534 people since 1982;

of these, 279 occurred during the administration of Texas Governor Rick Perry (2001-2014), more than any other governor in U.S. history.

Executions peaked in Texas in 2000, when 40 people were put to death.

In 2015, the State of Texas executed 13 people ...

Texas Death Penalty Facts - TCADP

tcadp.org/get-informed/texas-death-penalty-facts/

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The legalization of marijuana also means the death of the whole marijuana subculture which owes its vitality to its outlaw status. Marijuana consumption will go down as commercial production and distribution take over.

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I found your suggestion that marijuana consumption would reduce with legalization a little hard to swallow, so I did some checking. The very first article I read disputes that notion.

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Use among people aged 18 and older from 2011-2013 in Colorado and Washington has risen about 3 percentage points, from roughly 16 to 19 percent and from 15 to 18 percent, respectively, SAM said, citing federal data. The national average is about 12 percent.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-bad-idea.html

Oh, and a few other articles I read stated that black market marijuana sellers were thriving in the states that legalized marijuana. Since the black market sellers don't tax it, it can be sold cheaper, which means the poor are still buying from the black market. So no, the cartels are not being put out of business.

7 Harmful Side Effects Pot Legalization Has Caused in Colorado

Cully Stimson / @cullystimson / August 20, 2014

There is more bad news out of Colorado regarding the negative impact of marijuana legalization.
As I reported a few weeks ago, some professors published a peer-reviewed article on the negative social costs to outright legalization. I noted that although overall traffic fatalities in Colorado have gone down since 2007, they went up by 100 percent for operators testing positive for marijuana—from 39 in 2007 to 78 in 2012. (Colorado legalized marijuana for medical usage in 2009, before legalizing marijuana for other uses in 2012.) Furthermore, in 2007, those pot-positive drivers represented only 7 percent of total fatalities in Colorado, but in 2012 they represented 16 percent of total Colorado fatalities.

Now, there is even more proof from Colorado that legalizing pot, as I have argued before, is terrible public policy.

This new report paints an even bleaker picture of what is happening in Colorado since it legalized the possession, sale, and consumption of marijuana.

According to the new report by the Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area entitled “The Legalization of Marijuana in Colorado: The Impact,” the impact of legalized marijuana in Colorado has resulted in:

1. The majority of DUI drug arrests involve marijuana and 25 to 40 percent were marijuana alone.

2. In 2012, 10.47 percent of Colorado youth ages 12 to 17 were considered current marijuana users compared to 7.55 percent nationally. Colorado ranked fourth in the nation, and was 39 percent higher than the national average.

3. Drug-related student suspensions/expulsions increased 32 percent from school years 2008-09 through 2012-13, the vast majority were for marijuana violations.

4. In 2012, 26.81 percent of college age students were considered current marijuana users compared to 18.89 percent nationally, which ranks Colorado third in the nation and 42 percent above the national average.

5. In 2013, 48.4 percent of Denver adult arrestees tested positive for marijuana, which is a 16 percent increase from 2008.

6. From 2011 through 2013 there was a 57 percent increase in marijuana-related emergency room visits.

7. Hospitalizations related to marijuana has increased 82 percent since 2008.

The report includes other data about the negative effect of legalizing marijuana in Colorado, including marijuana-related exposure to children, treatment, the flood of marijuana in and out of Colorado, the dangers of pot extraction labs and other disturbing factual trends.

Don’t expect this data to impact the push to legalize pot in Colorado, or elsewhere for that matter. Big pot is big business, and the push to legalize is really all about profit, despite inconvenient facts.

Drug policy should be based on hard science and reliable data. And the data coming out of Colorado points to one and only one conclusion: the legalization of marijuana in the state is terrible public policy.

http://dailysignal.com/2014/08/20/7-...used-colorado/

The states and feds want the tax monies collected...and it is a n enormous amount of $$$$. An interview with a Ca 2 dispensary owner revealed he paid millions to the state and IRS yearly.

Legalize Marijuana Tax Revenue - Huffington Post

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The Huffington Post


Pot Legalization Would Generate Billions In Tax Revenue. The Huffington Post ... Legalizing Marijuana Would Raise $1.4 Billion Says CA Tax Board. . .

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Pot Legalization Would Generate Billions In Tax Revenue. The Huffington Post ... Legalizing Marijuana Would Raise $1.4 Billion Says CA Tax Board. . .

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pkskyali (excerpt):

I found your suggestion that marijuana consumption would reduce with legalization a little hard to swallow, so I did some checking. The very first article I read disputes that notion.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-bad-idea.html

Oh, and a few other articles I read stated that black market marijuana sellers were thriving in the states that legalized marijuana. Since the black market sellers don't tax it, it can be sold cheaper, which means the poor are still buying from the black market. So no, the cartels are not being put out of business.

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MW, the only reason you are seeing those numbers change is because more people are willing to admit they use the stuff. The actual use is most certainly going down. As the years go by, you will see this is hard to contradict. Sure the black market still exists for tax free marijuana just like there is a black market for tax free tobacco and alcohol. The problem is that the black market has not been confronted like alcohol and tobacco are confronted with the ATF. It is still being confronted with the old and increasingly obsolete DEA and local police. These agencies are confused and demoralized about what to do. There are also the surrounding states which naturally pick up a lot black market trade coming out the legalized states.

Also, an issue not being confronted is the source of the marijuana in the legalized states. The growers are still stuck in the illegal-grows mode. Before you know it somebody will start growing the stuff out of doors again and from there agriculture takes over and the "artisan" growers fall out of fashion. Everyone could restrict their diet to their favorite strain of tomato too, but not when you can get the stuff canned on your local grocery store shelves.

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MW, the only reason you are seeing those numbers change is because more people are willing to admit they use the stuff. The actual use is most certainly going down.

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I would be eager to read any documented evidence you have to substantiate your claim that legalizing marijuana reduces its use. To my way of thinking, such an assertion doesn't make logical sense. However, with the exception of an opinion, I'm willing to read any legitimate offerings on the subject that would support your claim.

Now, I can see the potential of what you're saying if all black markets were completely eliminated. The reduction may be possible in such a scenario because of cost. The high taxes on marijuana cold make it cost prohibitive for the poor. However, I can't picture a scenario where the black markets will be eliminated. As long as the illegal drug distributors can sell the product for less than the legal distributors, an illegal market will continue and consumption use will not be reduced.

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I would be eager to read any documented evidence you have to substantiate your claim that legalizing marijuana reduces its use. To my way of thinking, such an assertion doesn't make logical sense. However, with the exception of an opinion, I'm willing to read any legitimate offerings on the subject that would support your claim.

Now, I can see the potential of what you're saying if all black markets were completely eliminated. The reduction may be possible in such a scenario because of cost. The high taxes on marijuana cold make it cost prohibitive for the poor. However, I can't picture a scenario where the black markets will be eliminated. As long as the illegal drug distributors can sell the product for less than the legal distributors, an illegal market will continue and consumption use will not be reduced.

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You have to step back and really decide what it is you think has to be done about recreational drugs. They are here to stay, we are never going to get rid of them and there are always going to be a part of population who is going to get caught up with them.

It is exactly like alcohol and tobacco. In the case of alcohol, governments that try to purge it from society are otherwise unfit to govern as we in the case of Muslim countries. And as we also saw during our own era of Prohibition. Tobacco was a new problem for Europeans that came with the European discovery of the Americas. This is another proven plague that we are struggling to overcome. Tobacco is an excellent model for confronting marijuana.

There are several differences. Tobacco is a fussy plant to grow and requires the right kind of climate to grow. It also requires a fussy fermentation process that escapes the understanding of most people who try to grow it themselves, and you can grow it yourself, there are no legal obstacles.

Also, tobacco as a drug has a rather elusive intoxicating effect, it has not ever been promoted or distributed based on how it effects the user. Despite that, it is a highly addictive drug as marijuana is not. And also, it is an extremely dangerous drug, and understood completely to be a carcinogen and a threat to cardiovascular health. Finally, tobacco as an agricultural product has no other uses.

Marijuana can be grown just about anywhere by anyone and processing marijuana for consumption is as easy as drying it out. Marijuana is consumed strictly for its intoxicating effect and has never been promoted for any other purpose of consumption. Marijuana as a drug can clearly be a behavioral problem, but there are no medical consequences to compare with that of tobacco and reports to the contrary are bogus. Also bogus are the claims to medical benefits from marijuana. And finally, marijuana has a proven economic benefit as a source of plant fiber. It is our best source of plant fiber, superior even to cotton as a practical if not aesthetic matter.

We are not going to wipe out the black market. But we can destroy the international black market and reduce it to starvation wages instead making it into a major economic force. It is not necessary to legalize marijuana to starve out the black market, decriminalization would do the job. But because of the quacks running our medical establishment, the medical dispensaries have made simple decriminalization impossible and the only alternative is legalization. This will destroy the medical dispensaries and demoralize the outlaw subculture that promotes the coveted image of marijuana consumption. This is on its way and if you don't like it, there is not much you can do about it. Common sense will prevail.

It would be interesting to see what a Trump presidency does about this. Let's hope he makes it, I think that his law and order claims also means better laws, especially regarding the Drug War.

The legalization of marijuana for recreational use will be on the ballot on Nov. 8 in California, Nevada, Arizona, Massachusetts and Maine.

Legalization for medical use will also be on the ballot in Florida, Missouri and Arkansas on that same day.

It's time to END THE WAR ON DRUGS and legalize, regulate, educate and tax the sales under the FairTax, as a domestic only enterprise to avoid international implications, no imports, no exports,and have the entire industry from field and manufacturing plant to retail store operated by licensed US CITIZENS ONLY. Then use a portion of the FairTax revenues only drug users pay to pay for free rehab on demand without stigma for those who want or need it, and STOP WORRYING ABOUT IT, because as a free society, that is the best that we can do.

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Why Legalizing Drugs is a Bad Idea

By Ted Belling

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The great country of the United States of America is already losing its position in the world due to poor fiscal management, failing schools, over taxation and regulation, and too many people taking too much from the government and not contributing back. Now numbers of Americans are wanting to legalize the free use of many drugs deemed to have no or limited medical value; marijuana, cocaine, heroin, LSD, etcetera. The wide spread ramifications of this could not be fully grasped by these people; otherwise they would never consider it. Either that or they just don’t care about what happens to all the Americans that will become victims of their selfish, drug craving desires.

Why would many think legalizing drugs is a good idea? The answers are varied. It would legitimize the sale of drugs and end the criminal reign of drug dealers, smugglers, and traffickers. It would lead to the government oversight of the drugs to insure that the drugs are pure and high quality. This would lessen the chances of drug overdoses and poisonings due to the unscrupulous use of dangerous chemicals mixed with the drugs as cutting agentsⁱ. The Government can tax the drugs and increase their cash strapped coffers. The drugs will be decriminalized so there will be a large reduction of the prison population, saving government costs, and making room for violent prisoners. The Libertarians have as part of their platform the following: “…We favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes.”ⁱⁱ The use of drugs is within the exercise of sole dominion over our own lives and the government has no right to legally prevent it. We already have legally used drugs of alcohol and tobacco in America and the country has not collapsed. The legalization of marijuana will make the drug available to sufferers of cancer, and glaucoma which helps relieve pain, nausea and increases appetite. The drug war is a failure. It needs to end and the police resources redirected to other crimes.

All of these arguments appear valid and seem to make sense. The majority of Americans that do not use illegal drugs regularly, but may have dabbled in their use from time to time may be inclined to believe these arguments. The reality is that things are not so simplistic. Let us consider the first argument. It will stop the reign of drug dealers, smugglers, and traffickers. People in the drug trade don’t just commit drug crimes, they are involved in any and all crimes that they can possibly make money at. They will continue their criminal behavior. They will not disappear. They surely will not dismantle their organizations in America. They will just move to another lucrative enterprise. I, however, am not convinced that they will cease their drug trade if drugs are legalized. They will continue to sell to kids who can’t buy the legalized drugs, or find other markets for their product. You also know as well as I that the Government will not resist the temptation to wildly overtax the drugs just like they have with alcohol and tobacco. This gives the drug dealers plenty of opportunity to ply their trade here. They will simply lower their prices and undercut legally sold drugs. The drug dealers also have the opportunity to convert their operations into legitimate businesses to supply the now legalized drugs to the markets in America. Either way, the drug cartels of Mexico, South America, and elsewhere will still be engaged in the drug trade of America. That means, violence, murder, kidnapping, and all the other ugliness associated with the drug trade will continue.

The next argument is that it would lead to the government oversight of the drugs to insure that the drugs are pure and high quality. Ok, this part would happen. This would be a positive part of legalizing drugs. The drugs will be properly prepared for safer consumption. The proportions would be better controlled. The purity and filler content would meet U.S. Food and Drug Administration standards. This would lessen the chances of accidental drug overdoses and poisonings due to impurities and lack of quality control of illegal drugs. This is all well and good if you are a user of these drugs. They will destroy your life and affect many others, but at least you can do so with “safer” legal drugs. The Government will get a part of the money that you stole from your family or neighbor to buy the drugs, but at least the now replaced street drug dealer will not get the rest of it. The new “legitimate” drug dealers like all the pot shops in California will get it instead.

The drugs will be decriminalized so there will be a large reduction of the prison population, saving government costs, and making room for violent prisoners. This is a large part of the argument made by advocates for legalizing drugs. Yes, there is a large percentage of the prison population that is drug related. There may be a reduction of prisoners related to the drug trade, but I doubt it. As I argued earlier, the Government will drive the price of the drugs up to the point where a black market will continue to flourish. There will still be street dealers and all the crimes associated with them. The one point that advocates always miss is that the legalization of these drugs will cause the use of them to explode upward exponentially in this country. That means the numbers of addicts and abusers will also go up exponentially. The prisoners that were in for drug related offenses will now be replaced by a surge in arrests for property crimes, robberies, and other violent crimes committed by the newly increased population of addicts and abusers who cannot exist in the legitimate job market.

The Libertarian argument that we have the right to exercise sole dominion over our lives, except that “only actions that infringe on the rights of others can properly be termed crimes”, therefore, we should legalize drugs completely ignores all the unintended consequences. ⁱⁱⁱ It is easy to say that a person should be able to shoot heroin or smoke a joint in his own home without Government interference. It is what the person does as a result of that use that should have all of us concerned. Also using the Libertarian argument, there is no legitimate reason to forbid children and teenagers from using drugs. They have the same rights as the rest of us, don't they? The legal use of alcohol and tobacco in this country is routinely proffered as examples for the legalization of drugs. The things that set alcohol and tobacco apart from these other drugs are their affects on us. Alcohol creates euphoria and is a depressant, but it takes awhile to become addicted from its use. Tobacco is quickly addictive, but there is no physiological or psychological effects from its use that prevent a person from safely functioning in society. How well has alcohol and tobacco worked out, however? The leading cause of death on our roads is by drunk drivers. Tobacco use has caused thousands of people to suffer with cancer. Why on earth would we want to legalize and in turn legitimize the use of more drugs in our society? The drugs we use now are bad enough.

Medical marijuana is beneficial to sufferers of some types of cancer and glaucoma. The marijuana relieves pain, curbs nausea from chemotherapy, and increases appetite for those not eating due to the effects of their disease. I am not hard-hearted. I understand the suffering and I accept that marijuana helps these people in coping with their diseases. The problem with marijuana as clearly demonstrated in California is that it is nearly impossible to control the use and distribution of the drug to just patients holding truly legitimate prescriptions. A person can just scribble on a scrap piece of paper a fake prescription and it is accepted in the pot shops in California. The likelihood of people legally smoking marijuana sharing a toke with friends also greatly increases. It is hard enough to enforce marijuana laws now, but when it is illegal everywhere then police have probable cause to investigate when it is detected and take action. When you add to the mix many thousands of legal users smoking it everywhere, it increases the difficulty of enforcement and will lead to an increase in wasted man-hours. Legalizing medical marijuana for all intents and purposes will make the enforcement of marijuana laws unenforceable. Which, I believe is the whole purpose of pushing for the legalization of marijuana for medical reasons first. This is a stepping stone to the dismantling of the marijuana laws in this country.

As a side note, I find it odd that California and many other states that have or are in the process of legalizing marijuana are at the same time demonizing tobacco use. They complain of second hand smoke. City governments are passing laws forbidding the use of tobacco outside in public places. There has been a movement to ban smoking tobacco in apartments and in places like homes and cars when children are present; Belmont, California is an example of this. The argument is that smoking tobacco or being exposed to the second-hand smoke from tobacco causes lung diseases especially lung cancer. How can you be for the legalization of marijuana while at the same time strive to ban through legislation the use of tobacco? The chronic use of marijuana is far more harmful than tobacco. The very method of smoking marijuana leads to this. Tobacco cigarettes are smoked normally through a filter and the smoke is exhaled almost immediately after inhaling. Marijuana on the other hand is normally smoked unfiltered. To increase the effects of the "high" the person holds the smoke in the lungs as long as possible before exhaling. This greatly increases the lungs and blood exposure to over 400 different chemicals found in marijuana smoke. Marijuana has 50% more carcinogens (cancer causing compounds) in it than tobacco. The method of smoking marijuana increases the likelihood of cancer over tobacco. It also will cause the cancer to occur at an earlier age. Marijuana users in addition suffer from an increase in lung infections, phlegm, and breathing problems^iv.

What are the arguments against legalization? Illegal drugs have little or no medicinal use. There are better and safer medical alternatives. A much higher level of the population will use the drugs, increasing abusive behavior and addiction. Once addicted, the person is unlikely to remain employed. The legalized use of these drugs will increase the strain on medical, police, fire, and ambulance services. Many will become dependent on Government assistance and no longer contribute to society. Many more will turn to burglary, forging checks, shoplifting, robbery, or other crimes to maintain their increasing need for the drugs. The prisons and treatment centers will fill beyond capabilities due to the increase of users turning to crime to support their habits. Employers will have a harder time finding employees that are drug free. Businesses will have higher incidents of sick leave and medical expenses reducing their productivity and ability to compete. On the job injuries and accidents will increase. Civil liability risk to companies will increase due to higher levels of drug related accidents. The economic strain on all of society will be increased because of the burden added by the legalization of these drugs. There will be more drug intoxicated drivers on the road. Can you honestly say that any of this is worth it just so some selfish person can get stoned?

Anyone who would argue that these claims are unrealistic is being naïve. I have over 20 years experience dealing with drug addicts, dealers, and traffickers. I have seen these occur. I see the ugly underbelly of society. I work in it and drugs are a major part of it. People see Robert Downy Jr, Charlie Sheen, or some other celebrity with a drug problem. It seems so glamorous. They have all this money, and all this talent. They are having fun in the most decadent and debauch ways possible, and many of us live their lives vicariously. We want to sympathize with them. They are not doing anything wrong. What they are doing is only affecting them. Once they go too far with their drug use they can just go to rehab and all is better. If you are rich, influential, and famous, you can fix a lot of really bad things. 90% of us do not have that luxury. When we behave that way, we leave a wake of destruction, and we have no means to fix it. I have seen numerous people with good jobs, families, and reputations completely destroy all of it due to their addictions. It is sad to watch someone that is married with children and a thriving business get addicted to crack cocaine and within two years smoke up all of his business and personal assets. Yes, this has truly happened in my town. Although I have hundreds of anecdotes, I will try and refrain from sharing any more. I will though say now that marijuana is addictive. Aging hippies from the 1960’s think the marijuana today is the same as the marijuana they smoked in Haight-Ashbury, Berkley, Greenwich Village, or wherever. It is not. The THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol) that gives a person the “high” feeling from smoking marijuana in the 1960’s was at an approximate 1-2% concentration. Modern marijuana is as high as 16%. Chronic users of marijuana are lethargic, they lose track of time, and they have reduced desire to work or meet obligations. Timetables are not important. They just don’t care. Ambition and pot smokers do not co-exist. Be honest with yourself and ask if you have ever been stoned or knew anyone that was stoned and at the same time was enthusiastic about going to work. So, if you smoke a joint in the morning before going to work, or on your lunch break, what kind of worker are you for your employer? How long do you expect to remain employed? Would you want to trust your livelihood and the welfare of your family on a business run by a boss who is a pothead? Would you trust him to work hard to make the company a success which in turn will afford you an opportunity for success? Boy, legalizing drugs is looking better and better.

I have spent a lot of time writing about marijuana because it is the one drug that has the most push for legalization. There are other illegal drugs that will be the next in line if marijuana is successfully legalized: cocaine, heroin, LSD, PCP, methamphetamine, to name a few. LSD (Lysergic acid diethylamide) was made popular in the 1960's by the hippies in the Haight-Ashbury area of San Francisco and by Timothy Leary. During this period of time drug use was argued to expand your mind to greater possibilities. It was a good thing. There was no harm done. Many people look back on this era with fond memories. They forget, however, that the hippies were dirty and smelly. They begged a lot. They were transient. They spent a lot of time engaging in immoral behavior. They contributed very little to the continued welfare of society in general. The era came to an end in large part because the people in this drug using sub-culture migrated to the use of methamphetamine. Robberies, rapes, and other violent crimes exploded in early 1970's as a result. The communities they were in would no longer tolerate their presence and behavior. The Manson Family and the murders caused by them was a sensational example of this behavior.

In the 1970's heroin became popular. Thousands and thousands of people were “on the nod”. This dream-like state that users experience gives them the feeling of peace and contentment. This is a very desirable feeling. The high lasts about 6 hours for new users, but the time gets shorter with use. Heroin is very addictive. As little as 3 days of use can cause an addiction. Heroin is caustic to the system and causes vein damage. Once a person becomes addicted, he will suffer painful withdrawal symptoms within hours of the drug wearing off. The anxiety and pain felt by addicts is what drives them to take extreme measures to get more heroin.

It is not hard to remember back to the 1980’s and the crack cocaine epidemic to be reminded of the vast negative effect drugs had on this country. This epidemic caused a crime explosion. Matter of fact the worst crime wave in American history peaked in 1991 and cocaine had a lot to do with it. Street Gangs, a byproduct of the drug trade, spread like wild fire across the country. Gangs like the Rolling 60’s Crips, Piru Bloods, the Latin Kings, etc. became every police officer's problem in this country.

The 1990’s and 2000’s saw methamphetamine sweep the country. This drug was great because it let you party hard all weekend then juice up to make it through the work week. Methamphetamine allowed a person to have hyper-energy. He could work hard day and night. The big problem with methamphetamine is that its ease of addiction and it is cheap to buy with long lasting effects. It also causes delusions, paranoia, and hallucinations. It is very common for methamphetamine addicts to get into a destructive spiral. The user repeatedly takes the drug and stays awake for days. The lack of sleep causes sleep deprivation hallucinations and paranoia which leads him to fearing being attacked. He then uses more methamphetamine because he is afraid to go to sleep. His body is on maximum overdrive. This spiral continues until the person runs out of methamphetamine. Methamphetamine addicts are very likely to have violent behavior because of this.

As America changes the drugs of choice through the years, the two things they all have in common are that they are still here and they are addictive, either physiologically, or psychologically. They cause bizarre behavior, they cause paranoia, and the person often hallucinates. If a person takes these drugs, and as a result does not care about anything else, what makes you think their behavior will not spill over into your life? If you do not already have a loved one in your family somewhere that has been destroyed by drugs consider yourself very lucky. If you have someone, then why would you want any other family to suffer, too by legalizing these drugs? The number one victims of all drug abusers and addicts are their families. Druggies will beg them for money, if they don’t get it, they will steal it from them in the form of money or property to pawn. They will take checks from the family member’s check book and utter them to get money. Why is the family the main target? It is simple, families will not prosecute. They want the addict to get help, not go to jail. The addict will play on this sympathy at every opportunity. The hardest lesson families learn is that once a person becomes an addict, he only loves the drug. The family no longer matters. The addict cares even less about anyone or anything else, except the next high.

The last argument to make is that police lost the drug war, therefore, let’s give up and legalize them. The police have not lost the drug war any more than they have lost their battle with any other crime. Crime has always existed. Illegal drugs are just another crime. What police do is keep crimes down to a tolerable level. The drug laws do the same thing. Most people will obey the laws most of the time. There are only a small percentage of people who actually engage in the majority of the crimes, including regular illegal drug use. We as police officers want to keep the population of drug abusers and addicts down to the lower percentages of society. We are doing a pretty good job of that. If society, however, chooses to legalize these drugs, the lid will blow off the pressure pot and the police will not be able to contain the consequences. That means, you, your family, your friends, your co-workers, everyone, will suffer sooner or later. Do not let this genie out of the bottle, keep these drugs illegal.

ⁱ Cutting agents are very cheap chemicals compared to the cost of the drug itself and they dilute the drugs to usable levels and expand the volume to increase profit.

ⁱⁱ Libertarian Party 2010 Platform: 1.2 Personal Privacy-Libertarians support the rights recognized by the Fourth Amendment to be secure in our persons, homes, and property. Protection from unreasonable search and seizure should include records held by third parties, such as email, medical, and library records. Only actions that infringe on the rights of others can properly be termed crimes. We favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes.

ⁱⁱⁱ Libertarian Party 2010 Platform: Statement of Principles- We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.

^iv National Institute on Drug Abuse

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Legalizing weed could create $6.5B market by 2020, report says

California’s influence as a market mover would be felt throughout the nation as well as in Mexico.

By ALICIA WALLACE / STAFF WRITER
Published: Aug. 25, 2016 Updated: Aug. 26, 2016 4:29 p.m.

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SETH PERLMAN, ASSOCIATED PRESS

MARIJUANA BY THE NUMBERS

$1.6 billion – Projected annual sales of legal marijuana products in California if the Adult Use of Marijuana Act succeeds and is implemented by 2018
$6.5 billion – Projected California sales by 2020
$23 billion – Projected legal marijuana sales nationwide by 2020
Source: ArcView and New Frontier market report

California legalizing recreational marijuana could grow the industry there to $6.5 billion in 2020 – and also serve as a “watershed moment” for the industry in and outside the United States, according to a report released Tuesday.

Market research firms ArcView and New Frontier delved into California’s massive and uniquely complicated cannabis industry to project its direction and what may be in store if voters pass Proposition 64 in November.

If the Adult Use of Marijuana Act succeeds and is implemented by 2018, California’s legal marijuana sales likely will climb by $1.6 billion within the first year, according to the ArcView and New Frontier market report.

That would put the state’s medical and recreational industry on track to hit $6.5 billion in revenue by 2020, up from $2.8 billion in 2015, according to the report.

To give a little perspective: The nation’s legal cannabis industry is expected to climb to $23 billion in 2020, up from $5.7 billion in 2015.

“We think the activation of the adult-use market in California will undoubtedly make California the new epicenter in cannabis,” said John Kagia, executive vice president of industry analytics for New Frontier.

The sheer size of the state and its economy will help it maintain that status, Kagia said.

Even with a fractured, unregulated medical industry, California already accounts for nearly half of all the nation’s legal cannabis sales, ArcView and New Frontier reported. But California’s influence as a market mover goes far beyond its size, Kagia said.

“There’s going to be a professionalism of the industry, an emphasis on innovation once the market is legal in California that will dramatically accelerate the industry in a way that legalization (efforts) in Colorado and Washington haven’t been able to do.”

Silicon Valley should play a leading role, both via capital as well as technical and intellectual expertise, Kagia and co-authors wrote in the report.

California also is poised to be a leader in creating rules for social pot use; should become a frontrunner in developing organic standards; and likely will become a hub for cannabis research, as the Adult Use of Marijuana Act calls for 10 percent of sales tax collected to be spent on drug abuse research and another 10 percent on cannabis research, according to the market study. The ripple effects could be vast and affect industries such as biomedical research, applied materials and nutraceuticals, among many others, he said.

Additionally, if California goes recreational then it will apply greater pressure on Mexico to legalize, the authors wrote.

The legalization debate south of the U.S. border has evolved quickly as illustrated by the evolution of Mexico’s President Enrique Peña Nieto, who in just six years has transformed from one of Latin America’s most vocal drug warriors to a proponent of medical cannabis use and advocate for decriminalizing possession of up to an ounce for all adults.

Legalization in California will only add fuel to the debate on cannabis law reform in Mexico and in other Latin American countries.

California’s medical sales should stay relatively flat, according to the report. ArcView and New Frontier project the medical market should decline from $2.76 billion in 2015 to $2.53 billion in 2020.

California also will face plenty of unique challenges if it were to legalize, Kagia said.

The state already has an “outsized scale” of cannabis production and is starting to see some land grabs by pot prospectors. A greater supply should mean cheaper costs for consumers, but also could very well pinch the producers, according to the report.

Legalization also would raise questions about the viability of indoor growhouses and whether the energy costs could be prohibitive as more greenhouses open, Kagia said.

But perhaps one of the greatest challenges for California is whether it can overcome itself.

California’s medical market operated for nearly 20 years with limited government regulation. There was no agency tasked with regulatory oversight or business licensing, no requirement for patients to register with the state, and essentially no market standards for product safety and quality.

This led to significant problems with diversion of product from the legal to the illicit market, exposed early business operators to enforcement crackdowns, and made it difficult for the state to closely monitor the program due to the lack of centralized data and reporting.

In the fall of 2015, the state took steps to establish more stringent regulations for medical cannabis businesses, and individual jurisdictions will likely see even further policy adjustments in the coming years.

The stringent regulations came in the form of the Medical Cannabis Regulation and Safety Act, a two-year program intended to provide oversight for the medical industry, create a commercial license program and set consumer and environmental standards, according to the report.

Industry members told ArcView and New Frontier they’re concerned about how distribution policies outlined in the medical cannabis act could result in higher prices for consumers, whether the costs would be too high for the majority of existing dispensaries to continue operating, and how local jurisdiction approvals would stymie the industry’s potential.

The Adult Use of Marijuana Act does have some solutions for those concerns; however, if the contested legalization ballot issue does not pass, it’s not necessarily a death knell for California or the nation’s industry as a whole, Kagia said, noting that other states have legalization measures up for vote.

To some in the industry, Prop. 64’s failure would give the state the chance to implement the medical cannabis act first and set up an established foundation, he said.

“While the failure of the measure in California would be a setback, broadly speaking, we do not think it is going to significantly impede continued forward progress that we have been seeing in the shifting public attitudes (toward legalization),” he said.

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Will California be the Catalyst for Legal Marijuana in Mexico?

0BY JON HILTZ ON SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2016 AT 2:11 PM
INTERNATIONAL NEWS, MARIJUANA NEWS

In a private meeting with California lawmakers who were visiting his country, Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto brought up the issue of marijuana legalization in the Golden State. California currently has Proposition 64 ready to usher in recreational cannabis should it get the likely go-ahead from voters in November.

Prognosticators and members of the media predict that with Pina Nieto’s open-minded view of at least discussing cannabis reform, recreational MJ in California will be the catalyst for legalization in Mexico.

If federal legislation were to take place south of the American border, that would mean the United States would find itself in a legalized marijuana sandwich between Canada and Mexico. Surrounded by cannabis legalization, the U.S. would indeed be forced to catch up if they plan on keeping any semblance of a secure border.

John Walsh is a Senior Associate at the Washington Office on Latin America (WOLA), a human rights advocacy group focusing on Latin America and the Caribbean. He believes that recreational cannabis will happen in Mexico, but not for a while. “In one major respect they are very far along, but in most respects, they’re not.”

John is referring to the Supreme Court decision in Mexico in 2015 that declared marijuana a human right as the step forward, but politicians and legislators are a different group altogether.

“The Mexican legislature is still a long way away from that. In Mexico, public opinion is very skeptical about legalization. The propaganda that the drug war has used for decades has had an impact. So the question is, in the face of public fear and skepticism, how willing is political leadership to move ahead and tackle the issue?” John went on to add that medical marijuana does see support in Mexico, which is at least a start. “They have an allowance for people to use it, but not a system in place for people to produce it.”

John does believe that if Proposition 64 is successful that it could have an effect on Mexico’s outlook. “It may help change [Pena Nieto’s] mind, but the evolution of this is going to come after his presidency. The impact of what is happening in the United States and Canada is already having an important effect on the debate in Mexico.”

In last Wednesday’s hour-long meeting between the President of Mexico and Californian delegates, California State Senator Ben Allen stated that the Mexican government is clearly paying attention to Prop 64.

President Pena Nieto has gone on record as saying Mexico and the U.S. should not have diverging policies on marijuana legislation. Further to that, there is currently a decriminalization bill in the Mexican Congress to allow citizens to carry up to an ounce of marijuana without penalty.

Regardless of differentiating views on how to bring cannabis into mainstream acceptance, it is clear that North America’s leaders are not the only ones watching what happens in November. Arizona, Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada, and California have initiatives in play that could bring recreational cannabis to its citizens and tourists alike.

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