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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyklo View Post
    UNLESS Trump sends the military into Mexico to set up a BUFFER ZONE, you have to have detention space on the US side of the border for the invaders.

    Why is it necessary to send troops into Mexico? Why can't they operate on our side of the border? Simply stop them from entering instead of being a welcoming committee.
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    Have you see this from Daniel Horowitz
    Bombshell from a top border agent: Just 6% of illegal aliens in one sector even claim asylum


    some highlights....
    Yet, we are still processing them as if they are legitimate asylees instead of immediately placing them into expedited removal, as required by law.

    This revelation means that our government has essentially vitiated the entire Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) and has declared a de facto open border

    So why is this administration not placing every single person who comes to the border into expedited removal?

    The only excuse the government has left is that it doesn’t have enough suitable facilities to hold the family units in order to comport with the Flores settlement. But the administration has had months to muster all of its logistical assets and diplomatic prowess with Guatemala and Honduras to begin an airlift to Central America for expedited removal.

    https://www.conservativereview.com/n...-claim-asylum/

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    Why not go for expedited removal instead of a million tents to house these people for years?

    Only 6% claiming asylum, yet they are turning them loose instead of removing, and if we had tents they would be placed in tents with maid service, instead of being removed.

    Better yet, treat this as an invasion, not a slumber party.

    Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non immigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

    After he suspends the entry then put the full military on the border with orders to keep them out.
    I'VE READ JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING on this issue. We need a ton of detention space EVEN if you send a ton of them back FAST because they don't go back THAT FAST!!!!! They're going to be hanging out a week or 2 at a minimum. Exidited removal means they still hang out for a few weeks. MEXICO WON'T TAKE BACK ANYBODY EXCEPT MEXICANS.
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    Here is an example of why they need to be kept out----not caught and released or caught and held forever in tents.....

    Here is the far left bragging about how our government dropped the case against 2 asylum seekers trying to smuggle more in...
    Many of the Immigration Enforcement System’s Biggest Flaws, All Rolled Into One Case

    The government touted one couple’s arrest in a splashy press release. But the case against them fell apart in court, for reasons that have become common in criminal prosecutions of migrants seeking asylum in the United States.



    When Edy Giovanni Fuentes-Alvarado, his wife Kenia Yamileth Gomez-Caballero and their 9-year-old daughter presented themselves at the San Ysidro Port of Entry in October to seek asylum, the family from El Salvador probably thought the hardest part of their ordeal was over.


    The family passed an interview with asylum officers, who evaluated their fear of returning to their country – the first step in the asylum process. The couple was then allowed in to the United States, and went to live with family in Lake Elsinore – with ankle monitors for the adults – as they awaited their asylum proceedings in Los Angeles.


    But in February, a far more routine interaction with immigration enforcement officials landed them in criminal custody and threw a major wrench in their asylum claim.


    According to court documents, around noon on Feb. 24, the couple – along with a U.S. citizen friend – was stopped at a Border Patrol checkpoint on State Route 94. They said they were on their way back from having breakfast with friends in Dulzura, California.
    Fuentes-Alvarado and Gomez-Caballero told the agent that they were citizens of El Salvador, and provided identification cards showing they had permission to be in the country.


    The agent sent them to secondary inspection to verify their story. Indeed, the additional searches showed that they had pending asylum cases.


    The couple was eventually arrested on human smuggling charges.


    But what happened in the hours following the initial stop differs between agents and the asylum-seekers.


    The agents, in court documents, say Fuentes-Alvarado told them he was on his way to pick up a cousin, who he acknowledged was undocumented. They say they received his permission to search his phone, where they eventually were able to use the cousin’s messages and GPS coordinates to find two individuals from El Salvador hiding in brush nearby who did not have permission to enter the country.


    Later, the people found in the brush indicated that they had been in the car earlier that day, according to the agents’ reports.


    But the couple says that only happened after their rights were violated many times. In court documents, they argue they were held for more than eight hours with disregard for their constitutional rights, pressured into phone searches and interrogations by agents after invoking their right to counsel. The couple’s attorneys have held that most of the statements and evidence being used against them in the case was obtained illegally.


    The government even sent out a press release touting their arrest, which was picked up by the likes of Breitbart and the Washington Examiner. It was an example of what the administration has been trying so hard to show: that Central American asylum-seekers are criminals.


    But less than two months later, the government quietly dismissed the case.


    What may have started as an attempt to publicly criminalize asylum seekers from Central America wilted in federal court, but the repercussions for the family are long-lasting and leave their asylum claims – and their lives – hanging in the balance.
    The case exemplifies many of the concerns that have become a hallmark of criminal arrests of migrants at the border.
    The constitutionality of the stop, the couple’s detention and the search of their devices at a Border Patrol checkpoint were all called into question in court. The day before an evidentiary hearing in which Border Patrol agents were supposed to testify to clear up discrepancies between the various accounts of the arrests, prosecutors moved to dismiss the case.


    Concerns about due process in the case extend beyond Fuentes-Alvarado and Gomez-Caballero: the individuals found in the brush after were deemed to be material witnesses in the case, and were detained for a month without bond though they themselves were not charged with any crimes. It’s not the first time witnesses have been detained for extended periods in criminal immigration cases in San Diego.


    Fuentes-Alvarado and Gomez-Caballero were charged with human smuggling, which is puzzling when compared to other human smuggling cases often filed in the federal criminal courts along the border. There was no one actually found being smuggled in the car.


    “It does seem like a pretty weak case,” said Andrew Nietor, who does criminal defense and immigration work in San Diego. Nietor did not represent either client, but briefly reviewed some of the court filings at Voice of San Diego’s request.


    The U.S. attorney’s office and attorneys representing the asylum-seekers declined to comment.


    Human smuggling is a broad charge. According to the Immigration and Nationality Act, criminal penalties for human smuggling or “bringing in and harboring certain aliens,” can result from knowing someone is undocumented and encouraging them to enter the United States illegally, helping them do so, transporting them across the border or housing or hiding them in the United States. Commercial gain isn’t required to be charged with the crime.


    Federal agencies that investigate human smuggling, like Homeland Security Investigations, have previously told Voice of San Diego that though the crime is technically broad, they focus their investigative resources on large transnational smuggling organizations that exploit people for profit.


    Officials say they use administrative channels, with less severe punishments, for smaller cases they come across, like someone who helped a family member enter the country illegally.


    “For HSI, the question becomes one of whether or not a particular human smuggling or trafficking event is associated with a wholesale, large-scale, high-volume transnational criminal organization,” James Plitt, the San Diego deputy special agent in charge of Homeland Security Investigations, told VOSD last year. “Law enforcement resources are limited, so we ask, ‘Does this deserve a larger investigative commitment or can it be addressed another way?’ The consequences have to match the true nature of the event.”
    But it’s a charge immigration attorneys have noted is often used against immigrants, even when it’s not proven in a federal criminal court.


    The couple’s asylum case is now split, since for unknown reasons, Gomez-Caballero has remained in immigration detention, while her husband was released. That means that a family with the same asylum claim could end up with different outcomes. And while the charges against them were ultimately dismissed, the government can still bring them up as a reason to reject their asylum claims.

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    They need to ALL be deported and apply from their home country.

    They are coached LIARS with forged documents and then their illegal family comes here and THEY are complicit in human trafficking of MORE illegal aliens.

    GET THEM ALL OUT!

    THE WHOLE FAMILY TREE IS FULL OF LIES AND CRIME!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyklo View Post
    UNLESS Trump sends the military into Mexico to set up a BUFFER ZONE, you have to have detention space on the US side of the border for the invaders. Daniel Horowitz of Conservative Review has been through the protocals of how these invaders SHOULD BE TREATED according to EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAW, if Traitor Trump decided to enforce it.

    A. Invaders request asylum? Invaders are then given a credible fear interview. If they are denied credible fear, as just about 100% should be, they are detained and then given an appeal. If they loose the appeal, they are sent into EXPIDITED REMOVAL STATUS and they are GONE as soon as they can be sent back.

    B. Invaders do not request asylum. They should be sent into EXPIDITED REMOVAL STATUS and are given 1 WEEK to change their minds and request asylum.

    THAT'S HOW IT WORKS with OTM, "Other than MExicans" at the border. We need the detention space and lots of it, but Trump has to follow the law!!!!! Unfortunately, according to that TREASONOUS Budget deal Trump signed in Feb. , the law get clouded up as reguards to unacompanied minors and families, but there's still a TON of single men that could be BOOTED FAST but Trump is just letting them go because CBP claims there's no detention space available to hold them. EVEN IF THIS SPACE BECOMES AVAILABLE, it's up to Trump to BOOT PEOPLE and not just hold them a little longer and then stick them on a bus to the destination of their choice and given EBT.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong on this?

    FUTHERMORE, there's 100% LEGAL PRECEDENT for Trump to deny all asylum claims to any Central American by nation. There would obviously be lawsuits if he took this action.
    ALSO, there's 100% LEGAL PRECEDENT for Trump to declare all asylum claims by any Central Americans must be submitted in Central America or in Mexico somewhere at our embassy in Mexico City or at one of our counsulates in Mexico. So far he's not declaring this and I wouldn't hold my breath that he ever makes this move. There would also be legal action against him on this plan but he could probably could eventually WIN in both instances.
    That's pretty much my read on things right now too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders View Post
    I'm for Keep them Out

    then you do not have to worry about

    Catch and Release

    Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non immigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

    This nation can not afford a million tents for millions of people and give them free everything for the next 7 years while their asylum case winds its way through the court. In addition it is humiliating to see our military sent to cook and chauffeur invaders around.

    Why would anyone want a million tents when they can be prevented from entering?
    What do you think is happening right now? We're already releasing oodles and boodles of asylum claimants in our interior as we speak. To actually see things operate as you would like, we would need to see a change in actual immigration law.

    Saying what we would like to see and understanding the reality of actual law are two very different things. I'm sure we would all like to see them kept out. However, the reality of the situation and law dictates that is not going to happen.

    Yep, we certainly need more detention space, a lot more! I'd much rather feed and house them in tents at the border than release them into our interior to eventually take jobs, enroll their children in our schools, birth more children, get food stamps, crowding our ER's at hospitals, commit criminal acts on American citizens, etc., etc. The cost of keeping them in detention at the border will be far cheaper and safer for our communities in the long run vice releasing them into our interior. Trust me, if we start retaining them in detention, it will force our government to find a solution to processing the quicker. The way things are now, there is no rush because all they have to do is release them in our interior until whenever ... even though many of them will never even show up for their court date. Once the get in, they're in for the long haul!

    CATCH AND RELEASE MUST STOP! Hold them all in detention until their asylum claims are approved or they are denied and deported! The biggest mistake we're making is releasing them because we'll never see most of those released again.
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    I'd rather have these invaders sitting in a tent on the Texas border than being bused up to Maine to destroy that state. These Africans are being flown into Mexico by the UN and Soros and they're an EBOLA RISK. WHAT A SCAM THIS ALL IS!!!!! WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE DOING IN MEXICO IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!! ZERO of them have the $$$$ for that kind of airfare ticket. The dumbed down cowards up in Maine should be going NUTS over this and hitting the streets in DROVES.

    Texas shelter buses asylum seekers to Portland to make room


    Posted 4:00 AM
    Updated at 7:33 PM

    More asylum seekers arrive in Portland from southern border as city debates assistance

    Portland's human resources director criticizes comments by Mayor Ethan Strimling welcoming the arrival of more immigrants.

    BY RANDY BILLINGS STAFF WRITER

    A mother and son sleep on mats at the Salvation Army gym in Portland in December. Press Herald photo by Brianna Soukup


    A nonprofit shelter in Texas recently informed city officials that it was buying bus tickets to Portland for some asylum seekers who entered the U.S. at the Mexican border.

    “I’m so sorry,” Jennifer Long, executive director of La Casa Marianella in Austin, Texas, wrote to a Portland official in an email about the bus tickets. “We are in such a serious crisis at Casa that I had to call the mayor for backup.”


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    While Long’s email said the Texas shelter bought bus tickets for three families to come to Portland, nearly 50 people seeking asylum arrived in Maine’s largest city seeking shelter in the three weeks that followed. City officials have said the arrivals are further straining a shelter system that is already overcrowded, in part because of immigrants arriving through the southern U.S. border and seeking to make their way to Portland.

    The latest wave of arrivals comes as Portland is debating whether to continue a support program for immigrants that has added to its reputation as a welcoming community.


    Last year, Portland officials warned that its family shelter was reaching a crisis level, in part because of an influx of families from African countries such as Angola and the Democratic Republic of Congo who have applied for asylum and are prohibited from working. The city shelter can hold about 146 people. Another 35 floor mats can be set up at the shelter and an additional 80 floor mats can be set up at the Salvation Army gym to accommodate overflow.


    The Maine Sunday Telegram reported on the increasing numbers of sub-Saharan African families making the long and dangerous journey through Central America to the southern border. At the time, Long told the paper that many families staying at the Texas shelter were asking to come to Portland because of the support the city provides and because of the immigrant community that has taken root here.


    Long wrote in an April 19 email to the city that she had 50 people in overflow at the shelter built for only 38 people. She said people were sleeping in living rooms and classrooms, there wasn’t enough space for new arrivals, and she felt compelled to buy the bus tickets to Portland.


    Like those who flowed to Portland last year, the recent arrivals also are families who left sub-Saharan Africa before traveling through Latin America to reach the southern border, according to the city. They applied for political asylum and are legal residents of the U.S. while authorities assess claims that the families face violence or persecution in their homelands, a process that typically takes years.

    Asylum applicants are not allowed to work for at least six months after filing, but also do not qualify for the same federal assistance that supports people who come to the U.S. as official refugees.


    Long was not available to comment Friday about the situation in Texas. It’s unclear which mayor she was referring to in the email as the person she called for help. The shelter is based in Austin, Texas, but a spokesperson for Austin’s mayor said they were not involved in any relocation efforts.


    Portland’s policy of supporting asylum seekers has sparked mixed reactions. It became the target of conservative critics after The Wall Street Journal picked up on the story, but was defended by Mayor Ethan Strimling and others.


    While critics often point to the cost of immigration and the burden on social services when people arrive without incomes or resources, a reportcommissioned by Portland’s Office of Economic Opportunity and the Portland Regional Chamber of Commerce came to a different conclusion about the long-term impacts.


    That report said immigrants contributed $1.2 billion to the Greater Portland metro region’s gross domestic product, paid $133 million in federal taxes and $62 million in state taxes; contributed $57.3 million to Social Security and $14.7 million to Medicare; and helped create or preserve over 1,100 local manufacturing jobs.


    City officials have said that supporting the increased number of asylum seekers until they become self-sufficient continues to stretch city resources, and that tension played out publicly during a city meeting last Thursday.


    Portland Human Resources Director Gina Tapp spoke up at a budget-setting meeting to criticize Strimling, who has said Portland welcomes new Americans such as those arriving at the southern border.


    “I’m feeling like I need to speak up for my staff, who are so well-meaning and trying to do the best they can,” Tapp said of recent comments by the mayor. “When you say ‘bring them on,’ it’s bringing them to a place that is overcrowded and they’re on mats. You’re putting them in a terrible position. Please think about what you’re asking of our staff.”


    Strimling was clearly taken aback, calling it a “curious exchange.” He said he was voicing what he believes is the will of the people.


    “I believe the people of this city want us to welcome immigrants without question,” Strimling replied.


    In March, 23 families, totaling 71 people, arrived at the family shelter, the city said Friday, with 18 families coming from the southern U.S. border. In April, another 20 families, totaling 71 people, arrived in Portland, among them 13 families from the southern border.


    Thirteen families, totaling 49 people, were sleeping on floor mats at the Salvation Army gym, which is used when the shelter reaches it’s 146-person capacity, the city said.


    City Manager Jon Jennings said he understands the frustrations of staff members as they struggle to meet demand, but called Tapp’s comments “out-of-bounds and unacceptable.” He said he spoke to Tapp about her comments and no further disciplinary action was warranted.


    “I think we’re all concerned about the volume we have to deal with,” Jennings said Friday. “I do apologize to the mayor for what was said. It is something that city staff can complain to me and voice their concerns about, but that was not appropriate for a public setting.”


    The exchange comes as city councilors are discussing the future of social service programs such as the Portland Community Support Fund, which city officials and some immigrant advocates believe is the only such fund in the U.S. that provides local financial aid to some immigrants.


    The fund covers asylum seekers who are ineligible for the state’s General Assistance program, which is available to immigrants with valid visas or to those who have filed an application for asylum. GA provides vouchers for housing, food, medicine and other basic needs.


    City officials are hoping that Gov. Janet Mills will take action to relieve pressure within the city. They’re asking the administration to expand the GA program to cover the gap between when someone’s visa expires and when the person files an application.


    A Mills spokesman did not respond Friday to a request for comment.


    Immigration advocates have said that asylum applications take a long time to compile. It involves filling out forms and collecting evidence to prove that an individual faces persecution in his or her home country. And even the slightest inconsistency can result in a denial and force people to return to dangerous situations.


    If the Mills administration doesn’t act, Portland councilors will have to decide the future of the Community Support Fund.

    Councilors allocated $200,000 to the fund in the current budget. Through March, the fund was $36,000 over budget, but the city received $46,000 in private donations to continue paying rent for those already enrolled.


    Jennings has proposed phasing out the program over the next two years. He noted that the program was originally designed in 2015 to provide temporary assistance to asylum seekers who expected to be kicked off General Assistance under Gov. Paul LePage.


    So far, councilors have asked a lot of questions about the fund, but have to debate its future.


    But some councilors, including the mayor, have made it clear that they want the city to continue providing the assistance to all newcomers.


    Kristen Dow, the city’s interim director of Health and Human Services, said staff is looking to strike a balance that is acceptable to councilors and local taxpayers.


    “In Health and Human Services as a whole the rule is to support our staff, who are amazingly compassionate and want to help, but also doing it in a fiscally responsible way.”

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    What do you think is happening right now? We're already releasing oodles and boodles of asylum claimants in our interior as we speak. To actually see things operate as you would like, we would need to see a change in actual immigration law.

    Saying what we would like to see and understanding the reality of actual law are two very different things. I'm sure we would all like to see them kept out. However, the reality of the situation and law dictates that is not going to happen.

    Yep, we certainly need more detention space, a lot more! I'd much rather feed and house them in tents at the border than release them into our interior to eventually take jobs, enroll their children in our schools, birth more children, get food stamps, crowding our ER's at hospitals, commit criminal acts on American citizens, etc., etc. The cost of keeping them in detention at the border will be far cheaper and safer for our communities in the long run vice releasing them into our interior. Trust me, if we start retaining them in detention, it will force our government to find a solution to processing the quicker. The way things are now, there is no rush because all they have to do is release them in our interior until whenever ... even though many of them will never even show up for their court date. Once the get in, they're in for the long haul!

    CATCH AND RELEASE MUST STOP! Hold them all in detention until their asylum claims are approved or they are denied and deported! The biggest mistake we're making is releasing them because we'll never see most of those released again.


    I see and know what is happening right now.

    That is the reason I said this......

    Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non immigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

    The high court noted that the president’s delegated authority under 212(f) and 215(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) override any asylum considerations and that the president had full authority to exclude anyone from our shores. This case was cited by Chief Justice Roberts in the travel ban case of Trump v. Hawaii last year. This should be the end of the story as it applies to today’s problem.

    How does the law dictate that can not happen?

    We are past the point of tents, tents, and more tents.

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    Trust me, if we start retaining them in detention, it will force our government to find a solution to processing the quicker.
    Would it? or would it cause the media, the ACLU, the judges, and our government to go spastic because someone in tent city did not have A1 Steak Sauce for their Rib-Eye.

    Of course, my suggestion of suspending all aliens would cause them to go spastic also, but lets get this over with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders View Post
    I see and know what is happening right now.

    That is the reason I said this......

    Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non immigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

    The high court noted that the president’s delegated authority under 212(f) and 215(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) override any asylum considerations and that the president had full authority to exclude anyone from our shores. This case was cited by Chief Justice Roberts in the travel ban case of Trump v. Hawaii last year. This should be the end of the story as it applies to today’s problem.

    How does the law dictate that can not happen?

    We are past the point of tents, tents, and more tents.



    Would it? or would it cause the media, the ACLU, the judges, and our government to go spastic because someone in tent city did not have A1 Steak Sauce for their Rib-Eye.

    Of course, my suggestion of suspending all aliens would cause them to go spastic also, but lets get this over with.
    If what you're seeking was going to happen, I'm sure it would have already been a topic of discussion by the Trump administration and would have leaked out. Unfortunately, wishing for a pie in the sky isn't going to make it materialize and no, we're never beyond the point of detention. There are refuge detention camps all over the world. If we need to make one along the border as an alternative to catch & release, I'm all for it. CATCH & RELEASE NEEDS TO END NOW!

    You and I are just going to have to agree to disagree on the need for more, much more, detention space. Honestly, I can't see why you're against detaining them when the only other alternative is to continue releasing them into our interior. Unfortunately, shutting down the border to all immigrants is only something that is going to happen in our dreams.

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    PROCESS THEM ON THE BUS BACK HOME!

    GET THEM OUT WITHIN 48 HOURS AND SHUT THE DAMN PROGRAM DOWN!
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