Thread: 'No Nazis' group has plans to keep Latinos, cops apart

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'No Nazis' group has plans to keep Latinos, cops apart

By Pat Schneider
August 21, 2006

No Nazis in Madison, the group organizing a counter-demonstration to meet a National Socialist Movement rally against illegal immigration on Saturday, plans to use volunteer marshals to keep space between its demonstrators and police.

Organizer Chris Dols said today that members of the Latino community had said that undocumented immigrants might be fearful of demonstrating where police - let alone neo-Nazis - were present.

"We're training about 25 marshals this week and will be recruiting more," Dols said.

Dols said counter-demonstration organizers would sketch out their plans at a news conference scheduled for this afternoon in front of the Capitol.

Counter-demonstrators plan to begin their rally at 1 p.m. Saturday, an hour before the Nazi rally is slated to begin.

Dols said that his group will be working downtown all morning, however, at the Farmers' Market and in neighborhoods surrounding the Square. The Farmers' Market will close early, at noon, to make way for the demonstrations.

"We want to make sure people know the Nazis are coming and that they've got to come out and tell them they are not welcome," Dols said.

Capitol Police have said they are still planning their response on Saturday to the scheduled demonstrations.

No Nazis in Madison failed to win the endorsement of Communities United, a coalition of local social justice organizations, for its counter-demonstration, but individuals are supporting it. The Allied-Dunn's Marsh Neighborhood Association, organizing with ACORN, also has pledged its support.

Many community leaders have said they are torn between taking a stand against the Nazi message and bringing them public and media attention.

Marshals are being recruited from among demonstration supporters, including the Milwaukee-based Anti-Racist Action, a Chicago branch of the International Socialist Organization, Dols said, and the Independent Riders motorcycle group.

Originally Posted by Skippy

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'No Nazis' group has plans to keep Latinos, cops apart

By Pat Schneider
August 21, 2006

No Nazis in Madison, the group organizing a counter-demonstration to meet a National Socialist Movement rally against illegal immigration on Saturday, plans to use volunteer marshals to keep space between its demonstrators and police.

Organizer Chris Dols said today that members of the Latino community had said that undocumented immigrants might be fearful of demonstrating where police - let alone neo-Nazis - were present.

"We're training about 25 marshals this week and will be recruiting more," Dols said.

Dols said counter-demonstration organizers would sketch out their plans at a news conference scheduled for this afternoon in front of the Capitol.

Counter-demonstrators plan to begin their rally at 1 p.m. Saturday, an hour before the Nazi rally is slated to begin.

Dols said that his group will be working downtown all morning, however, at the Farmers' Market and in neighborhoods surrounding the Square. The Farmers' Market will close early, at noon, to make way for the demonstrations.

"We want to make sure people know the Nazis are coming and that they've got to come out and tell them they are not welcome," Dols said.

Capitol Police have said they are still planning their response on Saturday to the scheduled demonstrations.

No Nazis in Madison failed to win the endorsement of Communities United, a coalition of local social justice organizations, for its counter-demonstration, but individuals are supporting it. The Allied-Dunn's Marsh Neighborhood Association, organizing with ACORN, also has pledged its support.

Many community leaders have said they are torn between taking a stand against the Nazi message and bringing them public and media attention.

Marshals are being recruited from among demonstration supporters, including the Milwaukee-based Anti-Racist Action, a Chicago branch of the International Socialist Organization, Dols said, and the Independent Riders motorcycle group.

What exactly are these "marshals"?

Add Nazis, illegal aliens, police, self appointed marshalls recruited from socialists and bikers, stir well. This one might be one to miss.

Sounds like a real Flake Fest. Nazis and Socialists duking it out on the street. That's what things are coming down to thanks to the government's failure and the failure of our Republic.

Sound familiar? Hasn't this happened somewhere before?

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Sounds like a real Flake Fest. Nazis and Socialists duking it out on the street. That's what things are coming down to thanks to the government's failure and the failure of our Republic.

Sound familiar? Hasn't this happened somewhere before?

Ya know, for the life of I can't think of a single place, Herr ALIPAC

I don't think the Republic has failed, at least not yet. Our government though, yes they are a complete failure from our perspective though 'prolly not theirs.

One time I might actually agree with the opposition. I don't support Nazis or want any part of them. I really don't like even giving them any publicity. This event sounds like a three ring circus in the making.

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Latino Leader Urges Public To Ignore Nazi Rally
Counter Demonstrations Will Only Draw More Attention

UPDATED: 8:39 am CDT August 22, 2006

MADISON, Wis. -- A Nazi rally coming to Madison is stirring up negative feelings in the local Latino community.

The National Socialist Movement will rally on the state Capitol steps on Saturday speaking out on immigration reform.

Counter protestors plan to be out in full force, but one local Latino leader is urging people not to protest. He said that he believes it's exactly what the Nazis want and it will give them more of a spotlight.

The National Socialist Movement screamed its message at a recent Ohio rally, which eventually led to violence, rioting and looting, WISC-TV reported.

The group's Web site claims that it's a political party for every patriotic American. It's voice message said, "We care enough about our country to demand the return of the U.S. Armed Forces to our own nation to guard against the full-scale Mexican invasion that is happening right at this second. Remember, if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem."

The group's message indicated it works with like-minded white nationalist groups, such as the Ku Klux Klan and skinheads. It also said it is trying to recruit.

Peter Munoz of Centro Hispano said that planned counter protest is the wrong tactic.

"We should ignore them and show them as what they are: a pathetic group of people that don’t represent our community," said Munoz. "We shouldn't allow them to utilize Madison for recruitment purposes."

Munoz said that Latinos who marched in the immigration rally have a right to be in Madison. He said that they are making positive contributions and believes others will agree.

"The community is very enlightened," said Munoz. "They understand the value of diversity and, of course, that is something that is totally counter to what these folks stand for."

Munoz is hoping Madison's Nazi rally will be as small as the Toledo, Ohio one. He said that he hopes it doesn't draw attention.

"I'm hoping the planned counter demonstrations that are being put in place will not occur," said Munoz. "This is playing right into their hands. This is what they want. We shouldn't give it to them."

The director of the National Socialist Movement told that WISC-TV that Wisconsin is seeing more and more immigrants. He said the rally is the beginning of a political movement for the group. It plans to support a presidential candidate in 2008 and contends that it currently has a state Republican candidate in Montana.

Organizers Announce Plan For Counter Demonstration

Plans for a counter protest to this weekend's scheduled Nazi rally in Madison were announced at the state Capitol on Monday.

A coalition of groups -- including the Immigrant Rights Organization -- announced that it's planning an event on Saturday afternoon to counter the message of the National Socialist Movement. The coalition's announcement was made at State Street corner at the Capitol Square while supporters waved placards denouncing racism and homophobia.

The organizers said that the counter demonstration will organize at 1 p.m. on Saturday -- one hour before the Nazis plan a two-hour rally against illegal immigration at the Capitol, WISC-TV reported.

Jesse Zarley, a coalition spokesman, said the Nazi rally doesn't just target illegal immigrants.

"This is not just about immigrants," he said. "They hate lots of people. Then we need to send the message that Madison does not stand with that. And that we, in fact, want to demoralize them and block out their message of hate with our message of diversity and our anti-racist message."

The organizers said that they can't let the Nazi messages go without challenging them.

"To send a message to these Nazis and to the city of Madison with our numbers, our voices and our diversity, that the Nazis are not welcome in Madison. And that the immigrants that they've come here to target are," Zarley said.

The anti-Nazi rally's organizers said that they are committed to a peaceful protest, and they expect hundreds and possibly up to 1,000 counter protesters on Saturday afternoon.

A spokesman for the state administration department said that the National Socialist Movement has a permit for its rally. The spokesman said that the group's permit allows room to be set aside for their event, provides police and traffic support and access to a power supply.

He said that Capitol police plan to release details of their plan for the event late this week, but didn't return WISC-TV's phone calls on Monday.

The counter rally currently doesn't have a permit, WISC-TV reported.

Counter demonstrators said that they are asking nearby shop owners to display signs to get the word out about the counter protest.