Thread: 'Obamanation:' 88% entering US illegally can stay claiming 'credible fear'

Originally Posted by Judy

Border Patrol releases in DHS did end early last year. What didn't end are the legally required releases by DOJ which can't end until the law is changed.

Judy, this is so dangerous to admit we can do nothing or will do nothing. Evil has a wide open door to our country.

Border Patrol releases have not ended - there are countless articles with them speaking how disappointed they are that it is business as usual. Border Patrol is not turning illegals around - they are catching and releasing. One would expect for the last 12 months that illegals are being turned back home but they ARE NOT!

It is better to discuss honestly what trump admin is NOT doing so he knows his base is watching and wants results.

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeach

Judy, this is so dangerous to admit we can do nothing or will do nothing. Evil has a wide open door to our country.

Senator Inofe, Republican from Oklahoma, will introduce a bill in another couple of weeks that will fix this problem almost to the word of what I said in a few posts. Bounce 'em out at the border, then if they have some legitimate claim under law they file that from their home countries and await their hearing in their own country. Most of them fake, phony claims, sob story pity party BS, no reason at all for US to have to spend to detain them or allow them to roam our country illegally. That bill needs to be sure to modify and amend those existing laws to close off the loopholes. There are other bills that do this but they also do other things and weren't passed, at least two of those were DACA DEALS, which we don't want. Take the DACA out and they're great pieces of legislation, these are Trump's bills with his 4 pillars and most if not all of his 71 issues. So for now we need a separate small bill that just deals with these release issues. That's what Trump is bringing to our attention and pressuring Congress to pass.

Americans as "we" have never done "nothing", we just haven't found the right combination to get anything passed. We defeat amnesty but can't pass any bills to cure or fix the problem. Trump on the other hand is more focused on trying to get something passed as well as secure the funding to cure or fix the problem. Unfortunately without a super majority in the Senate, we can't pass squat except for a budget related bill under reconciliation without Democrat votes and there are none. I've never understood why stopping illegal immigration and saving our country $113 billion a year, much of that federal, couldn't be treated as a budget reconciliation bill. Maybe they need to look into that. Maybe they are because a Phase 2 Tax Cut Plan is in the works so maybe they can get these loopholes fixed in that bill because it would sure reduce detention and other expenses, maybe they can get the wall and interior enforcement in that bill too because it would save at least $50 billion a year on the federal side and only cost $25 billion so we're lots of money ahead.

It seems to me that a lot of people are doing a lot of work from citizen to local officials to Governors to many members of Congress, the White House, the President, federal agencies .... lots going on. But, as we know, there is enormous opposition to ending illegal immigration, Democrats United plus some Republicans, so it hasn't come together yet, but it will, because it has to.

Did you hear the report that came out late today that at least half of the caravan is actually Mexican and not just Central Americans?!

Originally Posted by Judy

Yes, because Catch and Release by DHS, did end early last year. The catch and release that didn't end is the releases by DOJ that DHS has nothing to do with. Trump's EO only addressed what could legally be ended, that is the releases by Border Patrol, not DOJ. I mean if you want to keep going on about this, it just makes Sessions look bad, because it's his department that is still catching and releasing because that's the law and will be until Congress changes it.

Absolutely not true. DHS did not end catch & release EARLY LAST YEAR!

Catch-and-release of illegals restarted in Texas, Border Patrol agents say



U.S. Border Patrol agents are reporting a new surge in illegal border crossings in Texas. (Associated Press/File) more >

By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Wednesday, November 15, 2017

The Trump administration reinstated a de facto catch-and-release policy for illegal immigrants nabbed crossing the border in Texas, with Border Patrol agents being told Wednesday not to even bother turning them over for speedy deportation because there was no bed space, a top agent said.

The problem, said Brandon Judd, an agent and president of the National Border Patrol Council, is that illegal immigration has surged once again after dipping during the early months of President Trump’s tenure.

That has left the deportation agency, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, struggling to find beds to hold the illegal immigrants. As a result, Border Patrol agents who bring apprehended people to ICE are turned away.

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“We’re going to have to release them out our front door,” Mr. Judd said. “Even if we try to turn them over to them, they’re just not going to take them.”

He said ICE’s San Antonio office, which handles most of the traffic from the Texas border, said it would have to refuse to take any family units the Border Patrol tries to turn over and will soon reject even non-family migrants.

Later Wednesday, Mr. Judd said, ICE’s El Paso office told agents it also was at capacity and was refusing family units.

“The moment we start releasing them out our front door, you’re going to see a huge increase take place in the numbers coming across,” he said.

The NBPC endorsed Mr. Trump in last year’s election, and more than a year later the president still touts that endorsement in campaign-style speeches.

Mr. Judd said the rhetoric from the president is good and had an immediate effect earlier this year in persuading migrants not to bother making the journey north. The Border Patrol set a modern-day record low of slightly more than 11,100 illegal immigrants nabbed in April.

But as catch-and-release continued, word seeped back to home countries and the effects of Mr. Trump’s rhetoric waned. More than 26,000 illegal immigrants were arrested at the border last month, Mr. Judd said.

“The word got back to all of these countries that hey, the catch-and-release hasn’t ended,” he said. “The people that are supposed to be enforcing President Trump’s policy, they’re just not. They’re not following through on the promises he made.”

ICE didn’t deny the problem. Instead, the agency said it has to prioritize cases and is struggling with how to comply with court rulings on treatment of illegal immigrant families traveling together.

An official at U.S. Customs and Border Protection, which oversees the Border Patrol, insisted the agency won’t end up issuing notices to appear — essentially just notifications of future immigration hearings. The official said CBP will pursue expedited removal or speedy deportation.

“We are in the business of catch and remove, not release,” the official said.

Tyler Houlton, acting press secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, suggested the problem was a lack of support from the courts for Mr. Trump’s mission.

“We enforce the law but are severely constrained by litigation, court rulings and debilitating legal loopholes that limit our ability to carry out our mission,” he said. “These limitations are exactly why the president has proposed his immigration enforcement priorities and why we are working with Congress to address these problems.”

But Mr. Judd said the department’s policies are getting in the way of the president’s agenda.

“The people that are supposed to be enforcing President Trump’s policy, they’re just not. They’re not following through on the promises he made,” Mr. Judd said.

His comments tracked with those of Chris Crane, the president of the National ICE Council, which represents deportation officers. In a letter to Mr. Trump this week, first reported by The Washington Times, Mr. Crane said the president’s top lieutenants were preventing him from hearing what is really going on.

“While officers view the President’s position on enforcement as courageous, the Trump administration has left all of the Obama managers and leadership in place, a group that ICE Officers know after the last eight years to be completely incompetent, corrupt and anti-enforcement,” Mr. Crane wrote.
He asked for better lines of communication directly with the president.

The White House declined to comment Wednesday.

Mr. Trump on Tuesday nominated Tom Homan, who had been serving as acting director of ICE, to hold the position permanently. Kevin McAleenan, who has been acting commissioner of CBP, was nominated months ago and is awaiting action by the Senate.

Both men have earned praise from those who want stricter enforcement of immigration laws. But Mr. Crane and Mr. Judd said holdovers from the Obama era in the agencies and at the Homeland Security Department put up hurdles.

“Obama holdovers are still running the program, running the show. We’re putting ourselves right back into the same situation we were under the Obama administration,” he said.

Catch-and-release was one of those issues. Agents said they would arrest illegal immigrants at the border only to be ordered to release them immediately after giving them a notice to appear.

While the Obama administration considered that enforcement, to illegal immigrants it was an invitation to come to the U.S. Once released, they could slip into the shadows and blend in with the 11 million other illegal immigrants, who are gaining a foothold in society.

Central Americans even called the notices to appear “permisos,” or free passes.

Mr. Judd said Border Patrol agents under the Obama administration last year were ordered to release newly arrested illegal immigrants with notices to appear. That ended under Mr. Trump, and agents were able to turn illegal immigrants over to ICE for holding and processing — though ICE would still issue notices to appear and release them.

“The catch-and-release program never ended, and once that information got back to countries throughout the world, we started to see an increase,” he said.

He said it’s not just Latin America. Agents in San Diego have apprehended dozens of people from Asian countries so far in fiscal year 2018, which began Oct. 1 — including 64 from India.

​https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/15/catch-and-release-illegal-immigrant-restarted-texa/

ICE is a part of DHS!

Originally Posted by artist

Border Patrol releases have not ended - there are countless articles with them speaking how disappointed they are that it is business as usual. Border Patrol is not turning illegals around - they are catching and releasing. One would expect for the last 12 months that illegals are being turned back home but they ARE NOT!

It is better to discuss honestly what trump admin is NOT doing so he knows his base is watching and wants results.

You're right, honesty should be the rule of the day. However, it seems like the Trump administration is more comfortable attempting to snow-ball the general public. To admit otherwise does not reflect well on the administration and they know it.

Originally Posted by MW

Absolutely not true. DHS did not end catch & release EARLY LAST YEAR!

Catch-and-release of illegals restarted in Texas, Border Patrol agents say



U.S. Border Patrol agents are reporting a new surge in illegal border crossings in Texas. (Associated Press/File) more >

By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Wednesday, November 15, 2017

The Trump administration reinstated a de facto catch-and-release policy for illegal immigrants nabbed crossing the border in Texas, with Border Patrol agents being told Wednesday not to even bother turning them over for speedy deportation because there was no bed space, a top agent said.

The problem, said Brandon Judd, an agent and president of the National Border Patrol Council, is that illegal immigration has surged once again after dipping during the early months of President Trump’s tenure.

That has left the deportation agency, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, struggling to find beds to hold the illegal immigrants. As a result, Border Patrol agents who bring apprehended people to ICE are turned away.

---

“We’re going to have to release them out our front door,” Mr. Judd said. “Even if we try to turn them over to them, they’re just not going to take them.”

He said ICE’s San Antonio office, which handles most of the traffic from the Texas border, said it would have to refuse to take any family units the Border Patrol tries to turn over and will soon reject even non-family migrants.

Later Wednesday, Mr. Judd said, ICE’s El Paso office told agents it also was at capacity and was refusing family units.

“The moment we start releasing them out our front door, you’re going to see a huge increase take place in the numbers coming across,” he said.

The NBPC endorsed Mr. Trump in last year’s election, and more than a year later the president still touts that endorsement in campaign-style speeches.

Mr. Judd said the rhetoric from the president is good and had an immediate effect earlier this year in persuading migrants not to bother making the journey north. The Border Patrol set a modern-day record low of slightly more than 11,100 illegal immigrants nabbed in April.

But as catch-and-release continued, word seeped back to home countries and the effects of Mr. Trump’s rhetoric waned. More than 26,000 illegal immigrants were arrested at the border last month, Mr. Judd said.

“The word got back to all of these countries that hey, the catch-and-release hasn’t ended,” he said. “The people that are supposed to be enforcing President Trump’s policy, they’re just not. They’re not following through on the promises he made.”

ICE didn’t deny the problem. Instead, the agency said it has to prioritize cases and is struggling with how to comply with court rulings on treatment of illegal immigrant families traveling together.

An official at U.S. Customs and Border Protection, which oversees the Border Patrol, insisted the agency won’t end up issuing notices to appear — essentially just notifications of future immigration hearings. The official said CBP will pursue expedited removal or speedy deportation.

“We are in the business of catch and remove, not release,” the official said.

Tyler Houlton, acting press secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, suggested the problem was a lack of support from the courts for Mr. Trump’s mission.

“We enforce the law but are severely constrained by litigation, court rulings and debilitating legal loopholes that limit our ability to carry out our mission,” he said. “These limitations are exactly why the president has proposed his immigration enforcement priorities and why we are working with Congress to address these problems.”

But Mr. Judd said the department’s policies are getting in the way of the president’s agenda.

“The people that are supposed to be enforcing President Trump’s policy, they’re just not. They’re not following through on the promises he made,” Mr. Judd said.

His comments tracked with those of Chris Crane, the president of the National ICE Council, which represents deportation officers. In a letter to Mr. Trump this week, first reported by The Washington Times, Mr. Crane said the president’s top lieutenants were preventing him from hearing what is really going on.

“While officers view the President’s position on enforcement as courageous, the Trump administration has left all of the Obama managers and leadership in place, a group that ICE Officers know after the last eight years to be completely incompetent, corrupt and anti-enforcement,” Mr. Crane wrote.
He asked for better lines of communication directly with the president.

The White House declined to comment Wednesday.

Mr. Trump on Tuesday nominated Tom Homan, who had been serving as acting director of ICE, to hold the position permanently. Kevin McAleenan, who has been acting commissioner of CBP, was nominated months ago and is awaiting action by the Senate.

Both men have earned praise from those who want stricter enforcement of immigration laws. But Mr. Crane and Mr. Judd said holdovers from the Obama era in the agencies and at the Homeland Security Department put up hurdles.

“Obama holdovers are still running the program, running the show. We’re putting ourselves right back into the same situation we were under the Obama administration,” he said.

Catch-and-release was one of those issues. Agents said they would arrest illegal immigrants at the border only to be ordered to release them immediately after giving them a notice to appear.

While the Obama administration considered that enforcement, to illegal immigrants it was an invitation to come to the U.S. Once released, they could slip into the shadows and blend in with the 11 million other illegal immigrants, who are gaining a foothold in society.

Central Americans even called the notices to appear “permisos,” or free passes.

Mr. Judd said Border Patrol agents under the Obama administration last year were ordered to release newly arrested illegal immigrants with notices to appear. That ended under Mr. Trump, and agents were able to turn illegal immigrants over to ICE for holding and processing — though ICE would still issue notices to appear and release them.

“The catch-and-release program never ended, and once that information got back to countries throughout the world, we started to see an increase,” he said.

He said it’s not just Latin America. Agents in San Diego have apprehended dozens of people from Asian countries so far in fiscal year 2018, which began Oct. 1 — including 64 from India.

​https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/15/catch-and-release-illegal-immigrant-restarted-texa/

ICE is a part of DHS!

Oh geez, you still don't understand who is who. BP says ICE ... ICE has absolutely NOTHING to do with the decision to release, that decision is made by the DOJ, because DOJ is responsible for all hearings and deportations. ICE does not deport unless it's a visa overstay or an immigration violation that is automatic and doesn't require a hearing. DOJ handles all hearings on releases, their immigration courts are the ones who order the release not ICE, not DHS. DHS ERO removes them from the country AFTER DOJ courts issue a deportation order.

You can't learn the complexities of this process through news articles, the reporters don't go into the details, they report the interesting stuff in a way to make a story.

Originally Posted by Judy

Oh geez, you still don't understand who is who. BP says ICE ... ICE has absolutely NOTHING to do with the decision to release, that decision is made by the DOJ, because DOJ is responsible for all hearings and deportations. ICE does not deport unless it's a visa overstay or an immigration violation that is automatic and doesn't require a hearing. DOJ handles all hearings on releases, their immigration courts are the ones who order the release not ICE, not DHS. DHS ERO removes them from the country AFTER DOJ courts issue a deportation order.

You can't learn the complexities of this process through news articles, the reporters don't go into the details, they report the interesting stuff in a way to make a story.

ICE is part of DHS. Geez, you're having a difficult time remembering what you're saying from one post to the next!

Judy said:

Yes, because Catch and Release by DHS, did end early last year. The catch and release that didn't end is the releases by DOJ that DHS has nothing to do with. Trump's EO only addressed what could legally be ended, that is the releases by Border Patrol, not DOJ. I mean if you want to keep going on about this, it just makes Sessions look bad, because it's his department that is still catching and releasing because that's the law and will be until Congress changes it.

I'm not talking about Sessions or DOJ, I'm talking about border patrol and ICE, which are both components of DHS! You clearly said DHS was not practicing catch & release. You are wrong!

Originally Posted by MW

ICE is part of DHS. Geez, you're having a difficult time remember what you're saying from one post to the next!

Judy said:



I'm not talking about Sessions or DOJ, I'm talking about border patrol and ICE, which are both components of DHS! You clearly said DHS was not practicing catch & release. You are wrong!

DHS is not catching and releasing. The Trump EO stopped that. DOJ releases continue, this is what has Trump and DHS upset, because they want the DOJ releases to stop, but to stop them, the laws need to be changed. If people working for the Border Patrol are still releasing, then they're violating the EO and need to be fired.

lady daca aka DHS head SAID she is catching and releasing. kelly, allowed it also. The American public has been deceived for 13 months now and they can't hide these sorry facts that Homeland Security is not keeping us secure by letting in tens of thousands a month and giving them bus tickets to go anywhere into our interior. And our budget for social services is imploding daily.

We should get our own buses down there. Label them "California"...then load them up, strap them in, and head SOUTH for the border and dump them off in Tijuana