OH: Stop giving birth certificates to children of illegal

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03-07-2007, 01:19 PM
JadedBaztard

OH: Stop giving birth certificates to children of illegal

Warren County

Stop giving birth certificates to children of illegal immigrants, county commissioner says
By Tiffany Y. Latta

Staff Writer

Wednesday, March 07, 2007

LEBANON — A citizens group that wants to toughen immigration laws has the support of Warren County commissioners, including one who wants the health department to stop issuing birth certificates to the illegal immigrants whose children are born here.

Commissioners Michael Kilburn, Pat South and Dave Young will say publicly today that they're behind Citizens for Legal Communities, a group that wants cities and townships to adopt ordinances making it illegal for anyone to rent or hire undocumented workers in Warren County.

Members of CLC, created last summer after Kevin Barnhill, 27, of Mason was allegedly stabbed to death by illegal immigrants, will ask commissioners to support their efforts at a meeting at 5:30 p.m. at the county government center in Lebanon.

Kilburn and South said their hearts go out to the friends and family of Barnhill, a graduate of Little Miami High School. They added that they applaud the residents' efforts to tackle immigration laws locally, but said to be effective enforcement must begin at the federal level.

But Young went a step further. He said he wants to challenge birthright citizenship, the long-standing federal policy that automatically grants citizenship to babies born in the United States.

Young said the policy is based on a flawed interpretation of the U.S. Constitution's 14th amendment and encourages illegal immigration.

The amendment enacted in 1868 states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.''

Young said the amendment was meant to ensure civil rights to freed slaves, not to reward illegal immigrants and their children.

"There's no where else in the law that allows a criminal act to result in someone else reaping a reward, but that's exactly what we're doing with birthright citizenship. We allow them to break the law, sneak into the county and have their children reap the benefits,'' Young said. "That's not right and I plan on doing something about it.''

In 2005, U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal, a Georgia Republican, sponsored a bill that would revoke birthright citizenship, but U.S. House leaders never let the issue reach a vote.

Young said he may ask county health department officials to stop issuing birth certificates to babies born to illegal immigrants in protest.

Judi Lehman of CLC said the support of commissioners is key in getting cities and township government leaders to act.

Lehman said CLC has met with Mason and Springboro officials and will soon meet with Lebanon, Franklin, Carlisle, and other city and township officials.

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03-07-2007, 01:25 PM
Beckyal

They need to change the law so that anchor babies are not citizens.
03-07-2007, 01:32 PM
nittygritty

Could this be a way of getting this before the Supreme Court ?
03-07-2007, 01:39 PM
steelerbabe

Democrats would fight this tooth and nail. Future voters :evil:
03-07-2007, 01:40 PM
sippy

Quote:

The amendment enacted in 1868 states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.

It amazes me how this got twisted in its interpretation. I translated the above quote this way:

If you are under the jurisdiction of the US, meaning you are a citizen, then you are under the jurisdiction of the US. To me this means that an illegal is NOT under the jurisdiction of the US and therefore automatic citizenship doesn't apply.
So if an illegal isn't a citizen, technically wouldn't they still be under their original country's jurisdiction?
Anywhoo...that's how I look at it.
03-07-2007, 02:14 PM
BorderFox

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Originally Posted by sippy

Quote:

The amendment enacted in 1868 states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.

It amazes me how this got twisted in its interpretation. I translated the above quote this way:

If you are under the jurisdiction of the US, meaning you are a citizen, then you are under the jurisdiction of the US. To me this means that an illegal is NOT under the jurisdiction of the US and therefore automatic citizenship doesn't apply.
So if an illegal isn't a citizen, technically wouldn't they still be under their original country's jurisdiction?
Anywhoo...that's how I look at it.

Sippy. THAT is exactly how it was intended. Thus, anchor babies were never meant to be given citizenship!
03-07-2007, 02:30 PM
WhatMattersMost

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Originally Posted by anniealone

Quote:

Originally Posted by sippy

Quote:

The amendment enacted in 1868 states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.

It amazes me how this got twisted in its interpretation. I translated the above quote this way:

If you are under the jurisdiction of the US, meaning you are a citizen, then you are under the jurisdiction of the US. To me this means that an illegal is NOT under the jurisdiction of the US and therefore automatic citizenship doesn't apply.
So if an illegal isn't a citizen, technically wouldn't they still be under their original country's jurisdiction?
Anywhoo...that's how I look at it.

Sippy. THAT is exactly how it was intended. Thus, anchor babies were never meant to be given citizenship!

And Elvira Arellano is no Rosa Parks. I am really happy that march will take place in California so that African Americans can finally denounce illegals using any and all reference to the civil rights movement, as if the two have any commonalities or that illegals are entitled to the same rights as citizens.
03-07-2007, 02:40 PM
SOSADFORUS

Sounds simple to me, but I'm not a lawyer, in which case I ask my self how did something that sounds so simple get so out of wack, and by Intelligent people. Where's Crocket, does he have any knowledge on the subject??

If its so we could cut way down on legalizing and paying for alot poor people thats being forced on the American taxpayers.
03-07-2007, 03:14 PM
sippy

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS

Sounds simple to me, but I'm not a lawyer, in which case I ask my self how did something that sounds so simple get so out of wack, and by Intelligent people. Where's Crocket, does he have any knowledge on the subject??

If its so we could cut way down on legalizing and paying for alot poor people thats being forced on the American taxpayers.

SoSad, Crockett will definately have good info on this. He always does have good info! :D
Thank God he's on our side!
03-07-2007, 03:20 PM
31scout

That was a good question, about if this is a way to get this issue before the Supreme Court.
I'd love to see these guys fight this by denying the birth certificates and let the ACLU sue this to the Supreme Court. It'll be decided once and for all. I'll be glad to donate to this county's legal fund. In fact, I'm going to try to contact them.
03-07-2007, 03:32 PM
SOSADFORUS

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Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS

Sounds simple to me, but I'm not a lawyer, in which case I ask my self how did something that sounds so simple get so out of wack, and by Intelligent people. Where's Crocket, does he have any knowledge on the subject??

If its so we could cut way down on legalizing and paying for alot poor people thats being forced on the American taxpayers.

SoSad, Crockett will definately have good info on this. He always does have good info! :D
Thank God he's on our side!

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I agree about him on our side! he's kind of like having a mascot!!but better!!

Now everybody think Crockett,we need to summon him up!!
03-07-2007, 03:48 PM
Sovereign

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Young said he may ask county health department officials to stop issuing birth certificates to babies born to illegal immigrants in protest.

This is one helluva great idea!
If the parents are illegal I'm not so sure we even have to give a birth certificate.

This would solve most of the after birth costs like school, medicare, social services, the magnet for American birthright would be turned off and chain migration would stop.

Dave Young, what a brain! Go man go!
03-07-2007, 03:56 PM
SOSADFORUS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sovereign

Quote:

Young said he may ask county health department officials to stop issuing birth certificates to babies born to illegal immigrants in protest.

This is one helluva great idea!
If the parents are illegal I'm not so sure we even have to give a birth certificate.

This would solve most of the after birth costs like school, medicare, social services, the magnet for American birthright would be turned off and chain migration would stop.

Dave Young, what a brain! Go man go!

No I believe we must educate illegals, according to what everyone says all children are entitled to an education ,or were not allowed to ask if their legal, either way it needs to stop, I think the biggest problem in our schools is over crowding with children that should not be here or cannot speak english!!
03-07-2007, 04:05 PM
BorderFox

Calling Crocket :D
03-07-2007, 04:32 PM
nittygritty

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Originally Posted by anniealone

Calling Crocket :D

Can you hear me now Crocket? :lol:
03-07-2007, 04:38 PM
SOSADFORUS

Just want all of you to know Lou Dobbs just told Bill Gates off but good on CNN over H1B visa, and our schools, it was good, very good, I think he is going to talk about it on Lou Dobbs today!!

[b] CALLING CROCKET!!!! :roll:
03-07-2007, 05:22 PM
AlturaCt

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I agree about him on our side! he's kind of like having a mascot!!but better!!

Something about that made me smile from ear to ear. :D

Crocket!
03-07-2007, 05:40 PM
firecracker

:( I wish the supreme court would rule once and for all, on the 14th amendment. Illegal aliens need to realize that they cant have legal babies in America.
03-07-2007, 06:01 PM
2ndamendsis

How about they just STOP GIVING BIRTH IN THIS COUNTRY?

Sounds like a plan to me
03-07-2007, 06:07 PM
SOSADFORUS

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quote="2ndamendsis"]How about they just STOP GIVING BIRTH IN THIS COUNTRY?

Sounds like a plan to me

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Now SIS thats what I call a solution!! :roll:
03-07-2007, 09:54 PM
Bowman

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Originally Posted by nittygritty

Could this be a way of getting this before the Supreme Court ?

Yes, but they will need a lot of funding and support to get it there, since the $12 Billion anti-American Ford Foundation wants these kids to be US Citizens.

Or if another 30 States support the same position, they can join with the three States that are already taking steps to end birthright citizenship, and call a Constitutional Convention to end it! The Senate, President, and Supreme Court cannot do anything about it!