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HB 1804 blamed for exodus of Hispanics, baby's death


By JUSTIN JUOZAPAVICIUS, Associated Press
1/25/2008 2:10 PM


TULSA -- Edgar Castorena had diarrhea for 10 days and counting, and the illegal immigrant parents of the 2-month-old didn't know what to do about it.

They were afraid they would be deported under a new Oklahoma law if they took him to a major hospital. By the time they took him to a clinic, it was too late.

A ruptured intestine that might have been treatable instead killed the U.S.-born infant, making him a poster child for opponents of House Bill 1804 months before it was enacted as the Oklahoma Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act of 2007.

"The sad part of it was the child didn't have to die if House Bill 1804 didn't ever come around," said Laurie Paul, who runs the clinic where Edgar was finally taken. "It was a total tragedy because the bill was there to create the myths and untruths and the fear."

The law, billed by its backers as the nation's toughest legislation against illegal immigration, took effect Nov. 1. It bars illegal immigrants from obtaining jobs or state assistance and makes it a felony to harbor or transport illegal immigrants.

A final portion of the law goes into effect July 1, requiring private companies to verify the employment eligibility of all new hires.

While it's difficult to characterize which state has the toughest immigration-related law, Oklahoma's goes beyond most because it includes the clause about harboring and transporting illegal immigrants, said Ann Morse, program director for the National Conference of State Legislatures' Immigrant Policy Project.

"What I think these laws may have are unintended consequences on the general public," Morse said recently. "How does the law get implemented? Who is the target?"

The crackdown has caused thousands of Hispanics to flee for neighboring states, with as many as 25,000 leaving northeastern Oklahoma alone, according to the Greater Tulsa Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

The law's fallout also can be seen in the struggling businesses, worker shortages and widespread fear among immigrants who say they are afraid to drive to church or the market because police might pick them up.

"I feel like I'm in some kind of Nazi country where if they see your color, you'll be stopped," said Maria Sanchez, a 22-year-old student who is looking to leave Oklahoma rather than risk waiting the seven years it will take to get her papers. "I can't work, I can't study, I can't go out, there's no point of me staying here."

Civil rights leaders call the law xenophobic and redundant, and say other states will wrongly look to Oklahoma to push their own anti-illegal immigrant legislation. Business and church leaders also have been vocal opponents.

"Oklahoma was settled by immigrants ... which means that diverse is normal in Oklahoma," said the Rev. Miguel Rivera, president of the National Coalition of Latino Clergy and Christian Leaders. "It's difficult for us to understand a state which is so Christian, that to have all this animosity toward immigrants is completely outrageous."

Supporters -- described by Dan Howard, the founder of an anti-illegal immigration Web site, as "good, American, God-fearing people of the heartland that bleed red, white and blue" -- say the law is necessary because of Washington's bungled immigration policy. They also believe the law has helped deter crime and punishes the companies that make money on the backs of illegal labor.

The bill's Republican author, state Rep. Randy Terrill, said similar versions have been introduced or are under consideration in more than a dozen states. Last year, more than 1,500 pieces of immigration-related legislation were introduced across the country, with 244 becoming law in 46 states, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

"More than half the nation will soon be modeling Oklahoma's bill," said Terrill, who plans to introduce a companion piece this year that would make English the state's official language, order schools to report how many illegal children are enrolled and require people or businesses who transport, hire or rent to illegal immigrants to forfeit property.

Terrill said there's no correlation between his bill and Edgar's death, noting that the child died in July, months before the law took effect, and that the law provides an exception for emergency medical care.

"To the extent that these illegal alien parents deprived their own child needed and necessary medical care because of their ignorance of the law, then they should be in prison, frankly," Terrill said.

Edgar's parents are believed to have gone underground following the boy's death, returning either to Mexico or going to stay with family in Arkansas, according to interviews with people in Tulsa's Latino community.

Far from the halls of the state Capitol, fear leads illegal immigrants to develop elaborate emergency plans for their children in case the youngsters should find their parents missing.

Irene Maldonado, 24, has been designated as the one to call in case her sister-in-law gets deported. Meanwhile, she worries if her husband, Jose, will come home on weekends from the construction jobs he works throughout the state. She has legal residency, he doesn't.

"I don't know if he has less fear, or he's trying to be the macho guy," she said.

Illegal immigrant Maria Saldivar, 44, searches for what little factory work she can to support her three children. Past employers now ask for papers.

"Every time I look for a job, it's always the same thing," Saldivar said in Spanish through a translator. "There was more work for me to do before."

Even workers with proper paperwork are leaving for jobs in neighboring states rather than split up their families.

"My guy who runs my framing crew, he had 70 workers, and as of Nov. 1, he lost 35 of them," said Caleb McCaleb, who runs a homebuilding company in Edmond. "My painter has lost 30 percent of his work force, my landscaper has lost 25 percent of his work force."

Some in Terrill's own party doubt the wisdom of his legislation.

"We've removed not only those here illegally and working, but those who are here legally," said state Sen. Harry Coates, a Republican who voted against 1804 and wants to repeal portions of the bill. "I'm not the smartest person in the world, but I understand economics."

Vicente Ruiz, a 47-year-old legal immigrant who runs his own electrical contracting business, put it more bluntly: "It's all about making money, and if everybody moves away, the whole state is going to suffer."


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Also note that this death occured before the law took effect.

Even if the law were in effect, and this excuse valid, how could the fear of being deported outweight the fear of your child dying?

This must be another example of those wonderful family values the illegals are supposed adhere to.

The bigger question would or should be; will they be charged with anything, if they we're Americans they would be in jail.

The parents are obviously illiterate. Furthermore, they were more interested in their welfare rather than their child's. THAT is being selfish. If they really loved that child, they would have risked everything for him.

Unfortunately, there is no cure for Stupidity. I hope they went back to their stupid country.

Originally Posted by dgremark

The bigger question would or should be; will they be charged with anything, if they we're Americans they would be in jail.

They've taken off:



Edgar's parents are believed to have gone underground following the boy's death, returning either to Mexico or going to stay with family in Arkansas, according to interviews with people in Tulsa's Latino community.

Originally Posted by azwreath

Originally Posted by dgremark

The bigger question would or should be; will they be charged with anything, if they we're Americans they would be in jail.

They've taken off:

Edgar's parents are believed to have gone underground following the boy's death, returning either to Mexico or going to stay with family in Arkansas, according to interviews with people in Tulsa's Latino community.

SO MUCH FOR THAT LATINO PRIDE WE HEAR SOOO MUCH ABOUT!

If they had been in their home country they would have not been affraid to take the baby to a doctor...When are people going to start taking responsibility for their own actions...we can not write the laws around everyones circumstances.

I am sorry for the baby and the parents but please this is their fault not the fault of Americans or our laws.



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[quote="SOSADFORUS"]If they had been in their home country they would have not been affraid to take the baby to a doctor...When are people going to start taking responsibility for their own actions...we can not write the laws around everyones circumstances.

I am sorry for the baby and the parents but please this is their fault not the fault of Americans or our laws.




In their home country they would not have taken the baby to the doctor unless they had the ability to pay for it.

In Mexico, no money means no medical care. Zip. Zilch. Nada. No way.

Childbirth must be prepaid. Operations must be prepaid. Go to see the doctor for an ailment and you must be prepaid or you don't see the doctor. There is no billing, no credit, no nothing.

Even foreigners who find themselves in an emergency requiring a hospital visit must have the money or they will not allow you to leave until the bill is paid.

Originally Posted by azwreath

Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS

If they had been in their home country they would have not been affraid to take the baby to a doctor...When are people going to start taking responsibility for their own actions...we can not write the laws around everyones circumstances.

I am sorry for the baby and the parents but please this is their fault not the fault of Americans or our laws.




In their home country they would not have taken the baby to the doctor unless they had the ability to pay for it.

In Mexico, no money means no medical care. Zip. Zilch. Nada. No way.

Childbirth must be prepaid. Operations must be prepaid. Go to see the doctor for an ailment and you must be prepaid or you don't see the doctor. There is no billing, no credit, no nothing.

Even foreigners who find themselves in an emergency requiring a hospital visit must have the money or they will not allow you to leave until the bill is paid.

Well again Mexico's double standards then huh ....they want us to pay for their poor's medical along with everything else and they do nothing...doesn't surprise me in the least!

I am sure learning about Mexico in alipac i'll tell you that.

Nice to see you "Wreath" hope all's well on the home front!!