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Stirring The Nation's Melting Pot
Assimilating And Americanizing Latinos In The United States

LOS ANGELES, July 30, 2006


(CBS/AP)

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"You just have to say, 'Hey folks, let's go. "Let's be practical. Get over it. Let's think it through in a practical way.' First of all, they're really not going anywhere."
Henry Cisneros
former HUD Secretary


(CBS) By the year 2040, there will be 60 million Latinos in the United States.

All they had to do was take to the streets, together, this spring to force the question, yet again, in our immigrant history: is it different this time? Is this invasion a threat? Will we become them or will they become us, asks CBS Sunday Morning contributor Martha Teichner.

The Barajas family, gathered at their house in East Los Angeles for a birthday party, offered a glimpse into Latino assimilation in America.

"Happy Birthday" was sung in English and the name on the cake read "Bobby" not Roberto.

Louis Barajas, Bobby's brother, says everyone he knows comes from an immigrant family. "There isn't a friend that I have that doesn't have parents that came from Mexico," he says.

The Barajas' are the living, breathing embodiment of a statistic immigration analysts consider proof that Latinos are assimilating into American life——from Louis's parents to his 13-year-old daughter, Aubrey.

"I talk to my parents in English. I talk to my grandpa in Spanish," Aubrey says.

By the third generation, the vast majority of Latinos, nearly 80 percent, speak English. Many speak no Spanish at all.

So the good news is that if you look at those numbers, it's clear that Latinos are no different from the immigrant groups who preceded them to this country, but depending on your viewpoint, that's also the bad news, because anxiety over Latino immigration is all about numbers and their impact on American culture.

There are 40 million Latinos in the United States, more than 13 percent of the population.

Just turn on the television: Spanish language broadcasting is a multi-billion dollar growth industry. Look around at the nation's construction workers, janitors, lawn crews and restaurant staff——Latino faces everywhere.

"People always emphasize the Latinization of America, and they don't look at what's happening to the Americanization of Latinos," says Harry Pachon.

Pachon is president of the Tomas Rivera Policy Institute at the University of Southern California.
"You can look at where do the loyalties lie. Forty Latinos are Medal of Honor winners. Fourteen percent of the marines are of Hispanic origin. So what is this Latinization going on? It's not a one-way street, it's a two way street," Pachon says.

A White House photo-op last week said it all. The three soldiers, wounded in Iraq, that the president swore in as U.S. citizens: two Mexicans and a Dominican.

"I live among immigrants. These folks had to rip themselves up from another culture, from their families and work in order to achieve a better life. They have voted with their feet and had the faith of the convert," claims Henry Cisneros, the former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development in the Clinton administration.

It's in the nation's interest to help them, according to Cisneros, a third generation Mexican-American, who was also mayor of San Antonio, Texas.

"We need to create institutions at our churches, at our neighborhood groups, at our community development corporations and yes, sometimes, government, i.e. the schools that offer an Americanizing curriculum that says, this is the way you become an American," Cisneros says.

Louis Barajas thinks Latinos ought to be doing the teaching.

He went to UCLA on scholarship, got an MBA and went to work doing financial planning for Anglo millionaires.

A genuine American success story, with books and a lecture series to prove it, Barajas decided the rich didn't need him, immigrants did.

"What I learned was that to become successful in America you had to have a specific mindset, a different mindset. I thought I pretty much had mastered that and I wanted to teach that to the Latinos. Not just financial. But changing the way they think," Barajas says.

Maria Cruz is his client——one of nine children, she grew up in Mexico.

"We were very, very poor, you know. We didn't have enough food to eat," Cruz remembers.

She came to the United States at the age of 18. At 38, she owns three WIC stores in the Los Angeles area, depots where low-income women cash in vouchers for food. There are more than a million and a half Latino-owned businesses in the United States, injecting well over $200 billion a year into the economy.

"Working hard and always trying to have a——what I should say——attitude of 'I wanna be better.' Always better. You never say, 'I'm fine, this is good enough,'" Cruz says.

Now a U.S. citizen, Cruz was an illegal immigrant.

Until after World War I, there really wasn't such a thing as illegal immigration in the United States. Millions of immigrants just showed up in great waves, mainly Europeans escaping poverty and politics.
The United States has always been schizophrenic about Latinos, especially Mexicans, over and over again, inviting them in to fill labor shortages and then when times got tough, throwing them out.

For more than 20 years, there was even a guest worker program. It ended in 1964, but the migrants came anyway——illegally——their numbers multiplying exponentially ever since.

Today, an estimated 12 million are here illegally.

A CBS News/New York Times poll found that nearly 9 out of 10 Americans consider illegal immigration either a serious or very serious problem.

"You just have to say, 'Hey folks, let's go. "Let's be practical. Get over it. Let's think it through in a practical way.' First of all, they're really not going anywhere," Cisneros says.

Born in Mexico, Alex Vega has been in the United States, undocumented, under the radar more than half his life. But in April he defiantly showed himself. He marched through downtown Los Angeles for immigrant rights, one of millions nationwide who understood what it meant to be seen and counted for the first time.

"I'm a ghost. I'm a ghost. I don't——I'm 45-years-old, I got 10 children, I have a business, I own a house, but nothing is in my name," Vega says.

Within five years, all 10 of Vega's children, born here, U.S. citizens, will have reached voting age.

"In 20 years then we gonna run the country. Right now we running the cities. So little by little, we are running the show. Little by little——so the sleeping giant, it's already awakened," Vega says.

Last year, Los Angeles elected Antonio Villaraigosa as its first Latino mayor in more than a century. He joins three U.S. senators and something like 6,000 other Latino officeholders at all levels of government.

If that scares some people, it reassures others.

"Yes, it will change the country, but I believe, fundamentally, it adds to the richness of the country and more importantly, this is a population that understands the basic credo, the basic core of the American idea," Cisneros says.

"They want to be part of the American dream."http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1847500.shtml

Within five years, all 10 of Vega's children, born here, U.S. citizens, will have reached voting age.

"In 20 years then we gonna run the country. Right now we running the cities. So little by little, we are running the show. Little by little——so the sleeping giant, it's already awakened," Vega says.


We are not going to let illegal aliens run our country. Just the fact that they have so many anchor babies does not entitle them to citizenship. By the time you kids get to voting age you will be back in your own country Mr. Vega

By the third generation, the vast majority of Latinos, nearly 80 percent, speak English. Many speak no Spanish at all.

Then why do we have "press 1 for English"
Then why do we have "spanish speaking television"
Then why do we have "spanish signs, etc."

Okay, I'll acknowledge (to a point) that nearly 80% of the latinos in this country speak English.

However, WHAT ABOUT ALL THE ONES THAT CROSS OUR BORDER DAILY? I doubt they speak English

Pachon is president of the Tomas Rivera Policy Institute at the University of Southern California.
"You can look at where do the loyalties lie. Forty Latinos are Medal of Honor winners. Fourteen percent of the marines are of Hispanic origin. So what is this Latinization going on? It's not a one-way street, it's a two way street," Pachon says.

And what percentage is that of the TOTAL armed forces?

"Working hard and always trying to have a——what I should say——attitude of 'I wanna be better.' Always better. You never say, 'I'm fine, this is good enough,'" Cruz says.

When do you get to the point that IT IS GOOD ENOUGH?

The United States has always been schizophrenic about Latinos, especially Mexicans, over and over again, inviting them in to fill labor shortages and then when times got tough, throwing them out.

Here we go with the "race" card.

"You just have to say, 'Hey folks, let's go. "Let's be practical. Get over it. Let's think it through in a practical way.' First of all, they're really not going anywhere," Cisneros says.

NO, I DON'T

"I'm a ghost. I'm a ghost. I don't——I'm 45-years-old, I got 10 children, I have a business, I own a house, but nothing is in my name," Vega says.

Then, why are you here????

"In 20 years then we gonna run the country. Right now we running the cities. So little by little, we are running the show. Little by little——so the sleeping giant, it's already awakened," Vega says.

Here's some news, Mr. Vega - the sleeping giant (the American public) is the one that really woke up when the marches started. You should have stayed a "ghost" for a while longer.

"People always emphasize the Latinization of America, and they don't look at what's happening to the Americanization of Latinos," says Harry Pachon.

Americanization of Latinos? I certainly haven't seen this happening.

First of all, they're really not going anywhere

Time will tell Mr Cisneros. I've got my money on deportation. Either through attrition or by force. The choice is up to them.

By the year 2040, there will be 60 million Latinos in the United States

The politicians have been clear on that. The so called "Hispanic voting block" which seems to be the only important voters to many of our so called leaders.

The Barajas' are the living, breathing embodiment of a statistic immigration analysts consider proof that Latinos are assimilating into American life——from Louis's parents to his 13-year-old daughter, Aubrey.

You contradict yourself here:

Louis Barajas, Bobby's brother, says everyone he knows comes from an immigrant family. "There isn't a friend that I have that doesn't have parents that came from Mexico," he says.

And here:

Just turn on the television: Spanish language broadcasting is a multi-billion dollar growth industry.

"I live among immigrants. These folks had to rip themselves up from another culture, from their families and work in order to achieve a better life. They have voted with their feet and had the faith of the convert," claims Henry Cisneros, the former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development in the Clinton administration

Mr Cisneros are you proposing a system of anarchy? They break many laws in the process. Entering the country illegally is only one of them. You remember the Law don't you Mr Cisneros?

It's in the nation's interest to help them

No it is not. It is in American interest that they go home!

Louis Barajas thinks Latinos ought to be doing the teaching.

Of course you do you racist SOB!

"Working hard and always trying to have a——what I should say——attitude of 'I wanna be better.' Always better. You never say, 'I'm fine, this is good enough,'" Cruz says.

Always seems to be about them. Never about America. Only about them.

"Yes, it will change the country, but I believe, fundamentally, it adds to the richness of the country and more importantly, this is a population that understands the basic credo, the basic core of the American idea," Cisneros says.

That is where you are so wrong Mr Cisneros. America has NEVER been just an idea. IT is about the people, the blood and toil, the land itself. NOT some damn piggy bank that people break the law to get to.

Once again, this is not a Latino issue, it is an illegal immigrant issue!

When are the pro-illegal activists going to understand that? Actually, they probably do understand that, but they know an argument concentrating solely on illegal immigrant law breakers would get zero traction. So basically, instead of arguing the real issue, they like to say it is an "immigrant" and "Latino" issue, not an illegal immigrant issue. This national debate on illegal immigration must start identifying things for what they really are and not disguising them behind rhetoric and false propaganda! A shovel is a shovel and no amount of misinformation, embellshment of facts, or skewed data is going to change that fact.

A shovel is a shovel and no amount of misinformation, embellshment of facts, or skewed data is going to change that fact

Ah yes, MW. But an ffffing shovel is different from a regular shovel, yah???

Notice that Cruz's three stores specialize in customers paying with food stamps.

Who educated the 10 children of this Alex Vega whose income and never mind taxes was probably smaller than his childrens tax funded benefits. Did all those positive taxpayers who paid for the benefits do it by consent. No they were part of a democratic
process which set limits that Vega violated.

http://www.alipac.us/f9/illegal-immi...america-33262/