Thread: Ron Paul followers pose danger for McCain in West

Ron Paul followers pose danger for McCain in West
By KATHLEEN HENNESSEY
Thursday, July 31, 2008

Dueling delegations pitting Ron Paul's Nevada supporters against those of John McCain vow to take their fight to the Republican National Convention.

That's just one sign that the outsider, Internet-fueled movement led by the feisty Republican congressman from Texas remains afloat in the wake of McCain's victory in the GOP primaries.

In this June 12, 2008 file photo, then Republican presidential hopeful, Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, speaks to a group of supporters in Houston. Dueling delegations pitting Paul's Nevada supporters against those of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., vow to take their fight to the Republican National Convention. That's just one sign that the outsider, Internet-fueled movement led by the feisty Republican congressman from Texas remains afloat in the wake of McCain's victory in the GOP primaries.

In the libertarian-leaning West, where Paul's message of distrust of the federal government and ardent individualism played particularly well, there is talk of Republicans straying from McCain. Libertarian candidate Bob Barr has emerged as a favorite alternative for Paul activists, followed by Constitutional Party candidate Chuck Baldwin.

Even if the numbers of such dissenters are small, in tight contests in key Western states they could spoil McCain's chances, experts say.

"In Nevada, there's absolutely enough to have an effect on the election," said Chuck Muth, a leading conservative activist in a state in which early polls show McCain and Democratic candidate Barack Obama in a statistical tie.

"I think that you will see not just Libertarians who always vote for the Libertarian candidate but conservative Republicans saying we've had it, we've had enough and they're going to go ahead and vote Libertarian," Muth said.

Paul _ or "Dr. Paul," as his followers reverently refer to the obstetrician-turned-politician _ ran as the Libertarian Party nominee for president in 1988. But this year he carved out a following as an antiestablishment Republican. His campaign won more than 1 million votes and became a catchall for anti-war, anti-government voters and disaffected Republicans.

The eclectic coalition racked up significant numbers. Paul placed second _ ahead of McCain _ in Republican caucuses in Nevada and Montana. He posted strong showings in nominating contests in Colorado, Washington and Oregon. In early June, he pulled away 14 percent of the vote from the already certain nominee in the New Mexico primary.

This is the West that McCain must win.

The interior West generally has been friendly territory for Republicans seeking the White House. Nevada, Montana and Colorado voted for George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004.

But history also warns of the impact of feisty Texans who preach small government.

"There's little doubt Bill Clinton would not have won Montana if it weren't for Ross Perot," said Bob Brown, a senior fellow at the Center for the Rocky Mountain West at the University of Montana. "And I think it's clear those votes were Republican."

The same could be said of Nevada, New Mexico and Colorado, states where the two-time independent candidate for president is often given credit for Clinton's breaking a two-decade-long Republican presidential winning streak in 1992.

The McCain campaign says they expect many Paul voters to come home to the GOP before Nov. 4.

"At the end of the day, Republicans are going to vote for John McCain. He's a Western candidate who understands water issues, land issues. He's a fiscal conservative," said Rick Gorka, a campaign spokesman. "His message is appealing to a broad spectrum of voters."

There's little sign of that unification yet. In Nevada, state GOP officials abruptly shut down the state convention as a group of well-organized newcomers were poised to win delegates for Paul.

The group led by Paul supporters then held its own rogue convention and elected its own delegates. For its part, the state party couldn't get enough delegates to attend a second convention and appointed delegates by committee. A judge ruled against the Paul supporters when they filed suit. They now plan to file a challenge with the Republican National Committee.

Both groups are heading to the national convention in St. Paul, Minn.

"We're trying to say, 'Hey, you guys got to play by the rules, and if you don't, you'll face the consequences,'" said Wayne Terhune, a 57-year-old dentist in Sparks, Nev., and a leading Paul activist in the state. "They just took the football and went home."

Even without Nevada, Paul will send at least a handful of delegates to the national convention. Outside the convention hall, his supporters have reserved a 15,000-seat basketball arena for a "mini-convention."

Paul hasn't endorsed, but it is clear whom he is not supporting.

"I do encourage all the alternatives, obviously, because I can't support either of the two candidates from the Republican or Democratic parties," Paul said this month in an interview on Revolution Radio, an Internet-based station run by his supporters. "I think that might send a message."

In interviews with a dozen Paul voters from around the West, anti-administration sentiment rang loudest. Most were newly active in politics but had been regular Republican voters. They said their activism began with opposition to the Bush administration's foreign policy.

As newcomers, they expressed little party allegiance and little concern that their third-party votes could benefit Obama, a candidate even further from their views than McCain.

"The notion is, let's just break the GOP because the people who are running and holding office in it aren't respecting what the constituents want," said Jay Weeldreyer, a Paul field director in Renton, Wash. "So, if we can just let them suffer a massive loss, then maybe that will get through to them."
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Now this is Real Politics. Dr.Pauls Degates turned the Nevada Gop convention upside down And the powers shut the convention down. Kinda like the primarys huh , shut down for Dr.Paul . The Paulie's are showing real power and the Gop convention in MN with Pauls across the street at the Staple Center i think will be Great to watch it play out . Since i can't hold my nose and vote for the Worst candidate the Gop had to offer . I have Nothing to lose in hoping Dr.Paul can raise some Hell and make his power feld and "Heard".
Do you really feel it's an honest election with the Fools of the MSM as picks and Diebold as backup ?

Not Just in the West... many refuse to vote for the same pile of Sh_t thats in a differant package

McCain can go to H_LL in the Rickety A$$ Boat he Floated in on

He needs to retire his Currupt A$$ and go play Shuffle Board in Florida

Matter of fact... I'll Pitch in for a Hove~R~Round so he can go visit the CFR

If McCain would take the positions advocated by his base he might not have this issue. His championing of the amesty crowd has lost many, many votes.

Originally Posted by ReggieMay

If McCain would take the positions advocated by his base he might not have this issue. His championing of the amesty crowd has lost many, many votes.

Thats NO lie . Slapping Citizens weekly does help either IMHO

We warned the GOP that this was possible if they supported McCain. They assumed that in the end Republicans would fall in line when the chips came down. They've underestimated how serious people are about McCain's illegal immigration stance and globalization. He sure won't be getting my vote! I haven't decided between Paul and Baldwin but it sure won't be McCain.

"At the end of the day, Republicans are going to vote for John McCain. He's a Western candidate who understands water issues, land issues. He's a fiscal conservative," said Rick Gorka, a campaign spokesman. "His message is appealing to a broad spectrum of voters."

This sounds like a boat-load of arrogant puffery to me. McLame will NOT be getting my Republican vote.