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    UT: Some people are still stubborn about the law of the land

    Immigration debate draws cheers, jeers from Lehi crowd

    "My bill is not the ugly monster everybody has made it out to be," Sandstrom said, stressing that it only dictates that the law should be enforced as it was intended to be.

    His opponents, however, countered that it is not Utah's job to take on immigration enforcement in the vacuum of a failed federal policy.

    "We might as well hold back the tide as do enforcement," said Sen. Curt Bramble, R-Provo.

    Bramble said it is not practical for the state to require law enforcement to verify citizenship if a person is stopped for another violation, which is part of Sandstrom's bill. Such "rounding up" of a population would be an egregious affront to human rights, he added.

    "We can't do this without trampling the rights of every U.S. citizen," he said.

    "I would simply ask that you take the time to ask a legal immigrant how they feel about illegal immigration. This is the greatest country in the world. We shouldn't get to determine who gets to come in by who is willing to break the law," he said.

    "We can't do this without trampling the rights of every U.S. citizen." -Sen. Curt Bramble, R-Provo

    "I happen to be a Hispanic born in Mexico City, but the United States is my home," he said. "America is the beacon of hope… but the very first indication that (someone) has love for this nation is that they are doing everything by the book."


    "We have no authority or power to deport people. We do not have the means… Utah is a sovereign state. It doesn't mean we are sovereign over the United States of America." But Mero said even beyond the legally-impaired premise of Sandstrom's bill is the inhumanity it purports to levy on neighbors, friends and fellow Utahns.

    "It only serves to drive these neighbors underground with the dismantling of families and picking on children... It leads us to assume the worst in people. We begin to demonize a whole society."

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    Re: UT: Some people are still stubborn about the law of the

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    Such "rounding up" of a population would be an egregious affront to human rights, he added.

    "We can't do this without trampling the rights of every U.S. citizen," he said.
    Umm.... is this guy missing something? Rounding up people who aren't legal to be in the US is an affront to human rights? How is that true? Isn't it an affront to human rights for Americans not to be able to be secure in their own homes, cities, states, country? Isn't it an affront to our civil rights to be expected to pander and provide for foreigners who have no right in our country?

    Then also how are we trampling on the rights of every US Citizen with this? I'm a citizen and I along with everyone I know carried ID on them at all times when your out of your house. Its common sense... so their rights aren't being trampled on as yah show your ID and move on... no problem.

    They must be thinking illegal aliens who don't have proper ID are US Citizens and if thats the case I suggest he head back to 1st grade and start over as he apparently missed basic education. An illegal alien cannot be a US Citizen because well... the whole point of being an illegal alien is that they are NOT US citizens which is the entire debate.

    I for one have no problem having my ID checked on occasion as long as its not daily or worse. As a white male I've had my ID checked by police before for just walking down the street real early in the morning. I never thought of complaining or sueing... I did thank the police officers knowing they are doing their job to protect citizens like me who abide by the law. 3 minutes of my time spent better then hours I've wasted before at times.

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    Bramble said it is not practical for the state to require law enforcement to verify citizenship if a person is stopped for another violation, which is part of Sandstrom's bill. Such "rounding up" of a population would be an egregious affront to human rights, he added.
    What's so "inhumane" about sending someone back to their rightful country of citizenship if it's determined they have entered this country in violation of our immigration laws? I have never been able to make any sense of this, which is not surprising considering those who use this argument have zero respect for the sovereignty of the United States.

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