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    Smugglers get their guns from licensed dealers

    Published: 03.12.2007

    Smugglers get their guns from licensed dealers
    'Iron river of guns flowing to Mexico'
    MESA - Human and drug smuggling organizations in Mexico are getting their guns from the same places law-abiding citizens are getting theirs - licensed gun dealers and gun shows, according to court documents.
    "There's an iron river of guns flowing to Mexico," said special agent Thomas Mangan, spokesman for the Phoenix office of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
    Search warrant affidavits show smugglers are getting guns from "straw purchasers," people with clean records who buy guns for smugglers, who then sneak them across the border for a few hundred dollars.
    Records show the weaponry is bought from legitimate dealers in cities from Tucson to Scottsdale and Apache Junction to Avondale.
    On Jan. 21, agents with the U.S. Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested Cedric Lloyd Manuel and Miguel Apodaca of Phoenix with nine assault rifles at the Arizona-Mexico border.
    The guns had been bought the day before at gun stores in Apache Junction, Scottsdale and Phoenix. They were purchased by three brothers, Lucio, Rosendo and Marcos Aguilar.
    Between November and the Jan. 21 arrests at the border, the Aguilars and others in the straw-purchasing crew bought 66 assault rifles, records show.
    "Manuel (Aguilar) stated that he had taken probably about 20 loads of firearms into Mexico over the past couple of months," ATF special agent Heidi Peterson wrote in the affidavit.
    The Aguilar family, Manuel Apodaca and the alleged ringleader, Blas Bustamante, have been charged in U.S. District Court with gun violations.
    Mangan said the value of guns triples across the border.
    He said Mexican crime organizations use the same infrastructure for smuggling humans and drugs north as they do to move the guns south.
    He said the agency is working on a number of Arizona gun trafficking investigations while they also work with Mexican authorities to trace guns used in crimes across the border.
    One such crime was the shooting of Ramon Tacho Verdugo, the 49-year-old police chief of Agua Prieta, Sonora, who was gunned down as he left the police station Feb. 26.
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    ALIPAC NOTE: Not all of these guns are going to Mexico. Many are going into the hands of illegal aliens inside the US which is both a felony and growing national security risk.

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    congress needs to build the fence and not worry about supporting illegals. They are not americans and many are criminals. It is time for Congress to admit this and protect america and americans.

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    This is a deceiving article in an attempt to push GUN BAN legislation.

    If these ILLEGALS hadn't been given LEGALIZATION in the first place, how would they have been able to get any firearms by any legal means within the USA??

    Hmmmm.........they would NOT.

    What a 3 sided coin these bums have created with all the AMNESTIES, Lack of LAW ENFORCEMENT and piss poor BORDER SECURITY.

    Well, let them suck on it because I'm not biting.
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    The ATF shouldn't be complaining as they made it even easier for illegals to get guns. Firearms dealers are now required to have the applications in Spanish as well as English. The Spanish version was sent to anyone with an FFL, from you guessed it, our government.
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    I have been trying to find my old post from about 18 months ago where I had received information they were going to gun shows and buying guns from individuals where they didn't have to go through the back ground checks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis
    This is a deceiving article in an attempt to push GUN BAN legislation.

    If these ILLEGALS hadn't been given LEGALIZATION in the first place, how would they have been able to get any firearms by any legal means within the USA??

    Hmmmm.........they would NOT.

    What a 3 sided coin these bums have created with all the AMNESTIES, Lack of LAW ENFORCEMENT and piss poor BORDER SECURITY.

    Well, let them suck on it because I'm not biting.
    Same old story 2nd, creat a problem and provide a solution!
    They seem to forget that guns in the hands of law abiding citizens actually decreases crime and this is a proven fact.
    The citizens who own guns take the time to train with them and learn the law.
    All these gang bangers know is to pull the trigger. I remember hearing a story about a drive by shooting where the shooter shot his own driver in the head.
    I do believe in gun control however, a two inch group at twenty yards!
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    humm, I was thinking more like 1/2 inch at 100 yards or one inch at 300 yards.
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