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    Southern Poverty Law Center

    We always think of our politicians, La Raza, US Chamber, etc. as threats to our sovereignty. I didn't realize what a threat the Southern Poverty Law Center is, in my opinion, to America until I saw the debate with Lou Dobbs this week. I actually respected them when they helped poor citizens of the Southern US. I certainly don't believe in them now. Frankly, I think they made fools of themselves and Lou came out looking better than ever.

    This article has no doubt been posted in the past, but I think it's timely to post again. As you read the article, I absolutely don't agree with the vigilante tactics at all. I also think that White Supremacist (Aryan) groups are even more reprehensible than La Raza, SEUI and Ted Kennedy.

    I also don't believe under any circumstances property inside the United States should ever be given to illegal aliens. If giving a green card to the illegal shot in the butt made you mad, this will too. Read on:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/19/natio ... nted=print


    August 19, 2005
    2 Illegal Immigrants Win Arizona Ranch in Court
    By ANDREW POLLACK


    DOUGLAS, Ariz., Aug. 18, 2005 - Spent shells litter the ground at what is left of the firing range, and camouflage outfits still hang in a storeroom. Just a few months ago, this ranch was known as Camp Thunderbird, the headquarters of a paramilitary group that promised to use force to keep illegal immigrants from sneaking across the border with Mexico.

    Now, in a turnabout, the 70-acre property about two miles from the border is being given to two immigrants whom the group caught trying to enter the United States illegally.

    The land transfer is being made to satisfy judgments in a lawsuit in which the immigrants had said that Casey Nethercott, the owner of the ranch and a former leader of the vigilante group Ranch Rescue, had harmed them.

    "Certainly it's poetic justice that these undocumented workers own this land," said Morris S. Dees Jr., co-founder and chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which represented the immigrants in their lawsuit.

    Mr. Dees said the loss of the ranch would "send a pretty important message to those who come to the border to use violence."

    The surrender of the ranch comes as the governors of Arizona and New Mexico have declared a state of emergency because of the influx of illegal immigrants and related crime along the border.

    Bill Dore, a Douglas resident briefly affiliated with Ranch Rescue who is still active in the border-patrolling Minuteman Project, called the land transfer "ridiculous."

    "The illegals are coming over here," Mr. Dore said. "They are getting the American property. Hell, I'd come over, too. Get some American property, make some money from the gringos."

    The immigrants getting the ranch, Edwin Alfredo MancĂ*a Gonzáles and Fátima del Socorro Leiva Medina, could not be reached for comment. Kelley Bruner, a lawyer at the law center, said they did not want to speak to the news media but were happy with the outcome.

    Ms. Bruner said that Mr. MancĂ*a and Ms. Leiva, who are from El Salvador but are not related, would not live at the ranch and would probably sell it. Mr. Nethercott bought the ranch in 2003 for $120,000.

    Mr. MancĂ*a, who lives in Los Angeles, and Ms. Leiva, who lives in the Dallas area, have applied for visas that are available to immigrants who are the victims of certain crimes and who cooperate with the authorities, Ms. Bruner said. She said that until a decision was made on their applications, they could stay and work in the United States on a year-to-year basis.

    Mr. MancĂ*a and Ms. Leiva were caught on a ranch in Hebbronville, Tex., in March 2003 by Mr. Nethercott and other members of Ranch Rescue. The two immigrants later accused Mr. Nethercott of threatening them and of hitting Mr. MancĂ*a with a pistol, charges that Mr. Nethercott denied. The immigrants also said the group gave them cookies, water and a blanket and let them go after an hour or so.

    The Salvadorans testified against Mr. Nethercott when he was tried by Texas prosecutors. The jury deadlocked on a charge of pistol-whipping but convicted Mr. Nethercott, who had previously served time in California for assault, of gun possession, which is illegal for a felon. He is now serving a five-year sentence in a Texas prison.

    Mr. MancĂ*a and Ms. Leiva also filed a lawsuit against Mr. Nethercott; Jack Foote, the founder of Ranch Rescue; and the owner of the Hebbronville ranch, Joe Sutton. The immigrants said the ordeal, in which they feared that they would be killed by the men they thought were soldiers, had left them with post-traumatic stress.

    Mr. Sutton settled for $100,000. Mr. Nethercott and Mr. Foote did not defend themselves, so the judge issued default judgments of $850,000 against Mr. Nethercott and $500,000 against Mr. Foote.

    Mr. Dees said Mr. Foote appeared to have no substantial assets, but Mr. Nethercott had the ranch. Shortly after the judgment, Mr. Nethercott gave the land to his sister, Robin Albitz, of Prescott, Ariz. The Southern Poverty Law Center sued the siblings, saying the transfer was fraudulent and was meant to avoid the judgment.

    Ms. Albitz, a nursing assistant, signed over the land to the two immigrants last week.

    "It scared the hell out of her," Margaret Pauline Nethercott, the mother of Mr. Nethercott and Ms. Albitz, said of the lawsuit. "She didn't know she had done anything illegal. We didn't know they had a judgment against my son."

    This was not the first time the law center had taken property from a group on behalf of a client. In 1987, the headquarters of a Ku Klux Klan group in Alabama was given to the mother of a boy whose murder was tied to Klansmen. Property has also been taken from the Aryan Nations and the White Aryan Resistance, Mr. Dees said.

    Joseph Jacobson, a lawyer in Austin who represented Mr. Nethercott in the criminal case, said the award was "a vast sum of money for a very small indignity." Mr. Jacobson said the two immigrants were trespassing on Mr. Sutton's ranch and would have been deported had the criminal charges not been filed against Mr. Nethercott.

    He criticized the law center for trying to get $60,000 in bail money transferred to the immigrants. While the center said the money was Mr. Nethercott's, Mr. Jacobson said it was actually Ms. Nethercott's, who mortgaged her home to post bail for her son.

    Mr. Nethercott and Mr. Foote had a falling out in 2004, and Mr. Foote left Camp Thunderbird, taking Ranch Rescue with him. Mr. Nethercott then formed the Arizona Guard, also based on his ranch.

    In April, Mr. Nethercott told an Arizona television station, "We're going to come out here and close the border with machine guns." But by the end of the month, he had started his prison sentence.

    Now, only remnants of Camp Thunderbird remain on his ranch, a vast expanse of hard red soil, mesquite and tumbleweed with a house and two bunkhouses. One bunkhouse has a storeroom containing some camouflage suits, sleeping bags, tarps, emergency rations, empty ammunition crates, gun parts and a chemical warfare protection suit.

    In one part of the ranch, dirt is piled up to form the backdrop of a firing range. An old water tank, riddled with bullet holes, is on its side. A platform was built as an observation post on the tower that once held the water tank.

    Charles Jones, who was hired as a ranch hand about a month before Mr. Nethercott went to prison, put up fences and brought in cattle to graze. He has continued to live on the property with some family members.

    But now the cattle are gone, and Mr. Jones has been told that he should prepare to leave. "It makes me sick I did all this work," he said.

    Ms. Nethercott said she was not sure whether her son knew that his ranch was being turned over to the immigrants, but that he would be crushed if he did.

    "That's his whole life," she said of the ranch. "He'd be heartbroken if he lost it in any way, but this is the worst way."

    Correction: Aug. 26, 2005, Friday:

    A picture caption last Friday with an article about the awarding of an Arizona ranch to two illegal immigrants who said they had been harmed by members of a border patrol group, Ranch Rescue, misidentified a man in military gear. He was Jack Foote, founder of the group - not Casey Nethercott, the former ranch owner and a former leader of the group.
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    jecg_97030 wrote:
    We always think of our politicians, La Raza, US Chamber, etc. as threats to our sovereignty. I didn't realize what a threat the Southern Poverty Law Center is, in my opinion, to America until I saw the debate with Lou Dobbs this week. I actually respected them when they helped poor citizens of the Southern US. I certainly don't believe in them now. Frankly, I think they made fools of themselves and Lou came out looking better than ever.
    Yeah, I saw the Lou Dobbs Show also and I agree 100% with your assessment of the boys from SPLC. They were so very opinionated, they immediately lost all credibility.
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    Mr. MancĂ*a, who lives in Los Angeles, and Ms. Leiva, who lives in the Dallas area, have applied for visas that are available to immigrants who are the victims of certain crimes and who cooperate with the authorities, Ms. Bruner said. She said that until a decision was made on their applications, they could stay and work in the United States on a year-to-year basis.
    I wonder if U.S. attorney, Johnny Sutton had anything to do with this?
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    Lou Dobbs destroyed those two bums. The freak with the white goatee on the left was kinda creepy.
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