Thread: Stephen Miller Defends ‘Beautiful 30-Foot Rock Solid Bollard Steel’ Wall

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

Firm Awarded $297M Government Contract to Recruit 5,000 Border Agents Has Hired Only 2
Ten months into the contract, the consulting firm, Accenture, had only “processed two accepted job offers,” but was paid $13.6 million in start-up costs and other expenses, the Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General found.

I had hopes the Trump administration would cut some of the waste and insane spending, but that is not happening.

Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders

Exactly! I don't care what they build as long as it keeps everyone out just build something!

It is the lie---lie---lie---do nothing that I have a huge problem with.

There is absolutely no excuse for all this do nothing and all the lying. NONE!

Go into a meeting with Chuck and Nancy shortly after saying "they have been stopped" is a perfect indication he isn't serious about doing anything. Asking for 5 billion, only gets 1.6---why didn't he ask for FULL funding 2 years ago. You don't start a negotiation at the bottom dollar, you start high. You don't say "they have been stopped" then ask for funding!

Do you not understand what happened on November 6, 2018? You lost the wall. The only wall or fence you're going to get now is whatever little dribs and drabs Democrats in those border areas want. If Trump couldn't get the funding for the wall when Republicans controlled both chambers of Congress, because he couldn't get 9 Democrats to vote with Republicans in the Senate, he's never going to get anything through the Congress now to stop, deter, slow down, or curb illegal immigration in the United States. The only solution will be whatever Trump can figure out to do by himself in the Executive Branch that won't be or can't ultimately be stopped by the Courts.

When Republicans lost control of the US House of Representatives in the mid-terms on November 6, 2018, our cause lost everything except what Trump can do by himself without Congress.

Originally Posted by Judy

Do you not understand what happened on November 6, 2018? You lost the wall. The only wall or fence you're going to get now is whatever little dribs and drabs Democrats in those border areas want. If Trump couldn't get the funding for the wall when Republicans controlled both chambers of Congress, because he couldn't get 9 Democrats to vote with Republicans in the Senate, he's never going to get anything through the Congress now to stop, deter, slow down, or curb illegal immigration in the United States. The only solution will be whatever Trump can figure out to do by himself in the Executive Branch that won't be or can't ultimately be stopped by the Courts.

When Republicans lost control of the US House of Representatives in the mid-terms on November 6, 2018, our cause lost everything except what Trump can do by himself without Congress.

Do you not understand what Trump said? Do you not understand what a lie is? Do you not understand how damaging it is to lie?

Perhaps this last election would not have been lost if he had not based his first campaign on a lie and kept his promises on immigration.

Here is one video, there are many more....

TRUMP: MEXICO WILL BE "HAPPY" TO PAY FOR WALL

Trump will be proved right about Mexico being happy to pay for the wall. What would have cost them around $10 billion at the time, has already cost them $30 billion in aid to Central America over the next 6 years to keep these people out of their own country who are headed to our country and the $30 billion will probably prove to be a waste of Mexico's money.

Trump was 100% right about that so he didn't "lie", you lied trying to make it look like he lied. It's an all too frequent problem these days, liars lying about Trump trying to prove he's a liar when he hasn't lied yet about anything and people falling for it. In the meantime while Mexico is playing tough on the wall, Trump is terminating NAFTA and presenting a new USMCA trade agreement between the US, Mexico and Canada that the 3 countries have signed that raised wages for Mexicans from $16 a day to $16.00 an hour for auto-workers in Mexico, which will raise all wages in Mexico and possibly reduce Mexican immigration into the US for those who were only interested in coming here for higher wages and it didn't cost US anything, in fact, this new deal is going to make Americans who work for American companies producing in the US a lot of money, generate a lot of new tax revenue, and it all came out of Mexico's pockets into ours. What Americans decide to do with it through the Congress is well ... up to Americans and their elected representatives, because that is how our system works.

Trump always said Mexico would pay for the wall, one way or another, and he meant it. He's done his part, now it's up to the American people to decide whether they actually want to spend some of the money Trump got US on the wall. According to the majority of their newly elected representatives, it does not appear so. It appears they want to spend the money on something else. And so it goes. Elections have consequences, and this was a very informed electorate who voted on November 6, 2018. It was also not a close election, the electorate voted overwhelmingly to return power to the DemoQuacks who campaigned on stopping Trump's Wall. They will not back down on this, why would they? I don't know why any intelligent person would think or even hope they would. Trump can build some of it through the military if he chooses to do so, but it's tricky, it has to fit the definition of a national emergency or counter illegal drug operations which together could be used to build walls in high-traffic pedestrian crossing areas and high-volume drug trafficking corridors. There will be lawsuits filed to stop him, but we'll see what happens.

Originally Posted by Judy

I can see that you are very distressed. Is it because you're afraid Trump will get credit for the big beautiful steel wall at least the portions he got funded? Why is that an issue for you? If you want a wall, which apparently you do, why wouldn't a big tall 30 foot high steel bollard wall be okay with you? Do you own stock in a concrete company, is that why you don't like the steel wall? Do you not understand the word wall in our language? Is that the problem?

I remember you totally supported the 2006 Fence Act, so it's a little disturbing to me that you won't support this big beautiful American-made bollard steel wall Trump is putting up to replace and extend that useless ugly piece of garbage that has proven itself to be a complete waste of US taxpayer money that you totally supported in 2005 and 2006.

Do you not understand facts, truth, honesty, and integrity?

You're misrepresenting facts, supporting dishonesty, and could obviously careless about the truth.

I can see that you are very distressed.

More disappointed than anything. I don't appreciate being lied to!

Is it because you're afraid Trump will get credit for the big beautiful steel wall at least the portions he got funded?

This year’s congressional spending bill allocated $1.6 billion for border security, $38 million of which was set aside for border fencing repair, maintenance, and construction. However, it specifically stated that it must be the same fencing used by previous administrations. The steel bollard wall Trump keeps boasting about is nothing new. There is already some of that same fencing along the border that is 18 to 30 foot tall. If you don't believe me, check out the steel bollard fencing in Nogales, Ariz. That is basically the same fence Trump is pretending is all new and the brainchild of his administration, which isn't true. I believe that fencing was built around 2011. There is also some steel bollard fencing in San Diego. They were calling it PV-1 fencing. There is probably more of the fencing in other locations that I'm not familiar with.

why wouldn't a big tall 30 foot high steel bollard wall be okay with you?

First off, it's not a wall and it's certainly not the wall Trump campaigned for or promised! Fact: Trump hasn't put up one foot of his promised wall. What he is attempting to do though is accept credit for some fencing that was approved during the Obama administration. Trump has no authorization from the U.S. Congress to build a new wall. The language in the last funding bill was very clear on that point.

I remember you totally supported the 2006 Fence Act, so it's a little disturbing to me that you won't support this big beautiful American-made bollard steel wall Trump is putting up to replace and extend that useless ugly piece of garbage that has proven itself to be a complete waste of US taxpayer money that you totally supported in 2005 and 2006.

Wow, talk about being misinformed. Obviously you're not very familiar with the details and boondoggle surrounding that fence plan. The fencing never materialized as promised. Sort of like Trump's promised wall won't materialize. Don't you remember the amendment to the bill that was pushed through by the U.S. Senate in 2007?

Nearly 700 Miles of Fencing at the US-Mexico Border Already Exist

By Julia Jacobo
Serena Marshall

Jan 26, 2017, 6:38 AM ET

President Donald Trump's longtime campaign promise of building a wall at the U.S.-Mexico border could be one step closer to fruition after he signed an executive order Wednesday announcing a series of steps to deter "illegal immigration from Central America."

But some 700 miles of border fencing had already been completed along the country's nearly 2,000-mile border with Mexico, much of it during Barack Obama's presidency, as part of the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which was signed by George W. Bush.

The type of fencing that extends from California to Texas varies according to the terrain and the population of the areas it borders, according to images released by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection in 2011. The types of fencing includes wire mesh, chain link, post and rail, sheet piling, concrete barriers for vehicles and X-shaped steel beams for livestock.

Trump has said he wants a concrete barrier as high as 55 feet tall and has described his proposed wall as "impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful."

Under the Secure Fence Act, the pedestrian border fencing completed in fiscal year 2007 was estimated to cost about $2.8 million per mile, according to a 2009 report from the Government Accountability Office. It was constructed using mostly the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the National Guard, according to the Congressional Research Service. The 2009 report also found that fencing constructed in fiscal year 2008, which mostly used private contractors, cost about $3.9 million per mile.

“Beginning today, the United States of America gets back control of its borders, gets back its borders,” Trump said Wednesday at the Department of Homeland Security after signing two executive orders related to immigration. The executive order calls for the immediate construction of a physical wall on the southern border to achieve "operational control," which it defines as "the prevention of all unlawful entries into the United States, including entries by terrorists, other unlawful aliens, instruments of terrorism, narcotics, and other contraband.”

Building a new 1,000-mile wall could cost as much as $40 billion, according to an analysis published in the MIT Technology Review. Maintenance of barriers along the southern border will also be costly. The Congressional Research Service estimated in 2009 that double layer fencing would cost an estimated $16.4 million to $70 million per mile over 25 years, depending on the amount of damage sustained.

During Wednesday's press conference, Trump did not specify how he plans to pay for the wall, but in the executive order he asks to allocate available sources of federal funding to the "planing, designing, and constructing of a physical wall" as well as to project long-term funding requirements from the Congressional Budget Office. He also calls for each executive department and agency to identify and report all foreign aid to Mexico.

Earlier this month, Trump said that Mexico will reimburse the U.S for the cost of building the wall. Mexican officials have repeatedly said they will not pay for the wall.

On Wednesday, the new president said that he has "deep admiration for the people of Mexico," adding that he looks forward to meeting with Mexico's President Enrique Peña Nieto and that he "truly" believes that the U.S. and Mexico can improve relations going forward.

Peña Nieto may cancel a visit with Trump scheduled for next week in response to today's announcement, a Mexican official told ABC News. The Mexican president has been under fire in his country recently for being seen as too accommodating to Trump.

During his confirmation hearing earlier this month, newly-minted DHS Secretary Gen. John Kelly said that "a physical barrier in and of itself will not do the job."

"It has to be a layered defense," he said, adding that even with a wall extending from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico, you would still have to back that wall up with patrolling by human beings, sensors and observation devices, he said.

Border Patrol already employs a "digital wall" composed of about 8,000 cameras, which monitor the southern fence and ports of entry. Its resources also include more than 11,000 underground senors, 107 aircraft, eight drones, 175 mobile surveillance units and 84 boats.

“We can spend billions of dollars to build a 10-foot wall on top of a 10,000-foot mountain,” former DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson said in November, “but if you’ve come all the way from Central America, it’s not going to stop you.”

The president predicted Wednesday that his executive orders will "save thousands of lives, millions of jobs, and billions and billions of dollars."

ABC News' Geneva Sands and Jordyn Phelps contributed to this report.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/700-miles-...ry?id=45045054

Originally Posted by Judy

Nearly 700 Miles of Fencing at the US-Mexico Border Already Exist

By Julia Jacobo
Serena Marshall

Jan 26, 2017, 6:38 AM ET

President Donald Trump's longtime campaign promise of building a wall at the U.S.-Mexico border could be one step closer to fruition after he signed an executive order Wednesday announcing a series of steps to deter "illegal immigration from Central America."

But some 700 miles of border fencing had already been completed along the country's nearly 2,000-mile border with Mexico, much of it during Barack Obama's presidency, as part of the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which was signed by George W. Bush.

The type of fencing that extends from California to Texas varies according to the terrain and the population of the areas it borders, according to images released by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection in 2011. The types of fencing includes wire mesh, chain link, post and rail, sheet piling, concrete barriers for vehicles and X-shaped steel beams for livestock.

Trump has said he wants a concrete barrier as high as 55 feet tall and has described his proposed wall as "impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful."

Under the Secure Fence Act, the pedestrian border fencing completed in fiscal year 2007 was estimated to cost about $2.8 million per mile, according to a 2009 report from the Government Accountability Office. It was constructed using mostly the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the National Guard, according to the Congressional Research Service. The 2009 report also found that fencing constructed in fiscal year 2008, which mostly used private contractors, cost about $3.9 million per mile.

“Beginning today, the United States of America gets back control of its borders, gets back its borders,” Trump said Wednesday at the Department of Homeland Security after signing two executive orders related to immigration. The executive order calls for the immediate construction of a physical wall on the southern border to achieve "operational control," which it defines as "the prevention of all unlawful entries into the United States, including entries by terrorists, other unlawful aliens, instruments of terrorism, narcotics, and other contraband.”

Building a new 1,000-mile wall could cost as much as $40 billion, according to an analysis published in the MIT Technology Review. Maintenance of barriers along the southern border will also be costly. The Congressional Research Service estimated in 2009 that double layer fencing would cost an estimated $16.4 million to $70 million per mile over 25 years, depending on the amount of damage sustained.

During Wednesday's press conference, Trump did not specify how he plans to pay for the wall, but in the executive order he asks to allocate available sources of federal funding to the "planing, designing, and constructing of a physical wall" as well as to project long-term funding requirements from the Congressional Budget Office. He also calls for each executive department and agency to identify and report all foreign aid to Mexico.

Earlier this month, Trump said that Mexico will reimburse the U.S for the cost of building the wall. Mexican officials have repeatedly said they will not pay for the wall.

On Wednesday, the new president said that he has "deep admiration for the people of Mexico," adding that he looks forward to meeting with Mexico's President Enrique Peña Nieto and that he "truly" believes that the U.S. and Mexico can improve relations going forward.

Peña Nieto may cancel a visit with Trump scheduled for next week in response to today's announcement, a Mexican official told ABC News. The Mexican president has been under fire in his country recently for being seen as too accommodating to Trump.

During his confirmation hearing earlier this month, newly-minted DHS Secretary Gen. John Kelly said that "a physical barrier in and of itself will not do the job."

"It has to be a layered defense," he said, adding that even with a wall extending from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico, you would still have to back that wall up with patrolling by human beings, sensors and observation devices, he said.

Border Patrol already employs a "digital wall" composed of about 8,000 cameras, which monitor the southern fence and ports of entry. Its resources also include more than 11,000 underground senors, 107 aircraft, eight drones, 175 mobile surveillance units and 84 boats.

“We can spend billions of dollars to build a 10-foot wall on top of a 10,000-foot mountain,” former DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson said in November, “but if you’ve come all the way from Central America, it’s not going to stop you.”

The president predicted Wednesday that his executive orders will "save thousands of lives, millions of jobs, and billions and billions of dollars."

ABC News' Geneva Sands and Jordyn Phelps contributed to this report.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/700-miles-...ry?id=45045054

I saw a could be one step closer, and speculation on how to get the money---I did not see anything defining what the EO said or what had been done.

I did see one more outrageous lie----“Beginning today, the United States of America gets back control of its borders, gets back its borders,” Trump said Wednesday

That was Jan 2017 and instead of getting control of the border, it got worse, much worse.

Originally Posted by MW

Do you not understand facts, truth, honesty, and integrity?

You're misrepresenting facts, supporting dishonesty, and could obviously careless about the truth.



More disappointed than anything. I don't appreciate being lied to!



This year’s congressional spending bill allocated $1.6 billion for border security, $38 million of which was set aside for border fencing repair, maintenance, and construction. However, it specifically stated that it must be the same fencing used by previous administrations. The steel bollard wall Trump keeps boasting about is nothing new. There is already some of that same fencing along the border that is 18 to 30 foot tall. If you don't believe me, check out the steel bollard fencing in Nogales, Ariz. That is basically the same fence Trump is pretending is all new and the brainchild of his administration, which isn't true. I believe that fencing was built around 2011. There is also some steel bollard fencing in San Diego. They were calling it PV-1 fencing. There is probably more of the fencing in other locations that I'm not familiar with.



First off, it's not a wall and it's certainly not the wall Trump campaigned for or promised! Fact: Trump hasn't put up one foot of his promised wall. What he is attempting to do though is accept credit for some fencing that was approved during the Obama administration. Trump has no authorization from the U.S. Congress to build a new wall. The language in the last funding bill was very clear on that point.



Wow, talk about being misinformed. Obviously you're not very familiar with the details and boondoggle surrounding that fence plan. The fencing never materialized as promised. Sort of like Trump's promised wall won't materialize. Don't you remember the amendment to the bill that was pushed through by the U.S. Senate in 2007?

So Congress refused to fund Trump's Wall, but funded Obama's Fence while Trump is President.

I get it.

Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders

I saw a could be one step closer, and speculation on how to get the money---I did not see anything defining what the EO said or what had been done.

I did see one more outrageous lie----“Beginning today, the United States of America gets back control of its borders, gets back its borders,” Trump said Wednesday

That was Jan 2017 and instead of getting control of the border, it got worse, much worse.

Trump's EO's were challenged by lawsuits and blocked by Court Rulings. The funding for his wall was blocked by Congress.

Trump claims credit for decades-old border structures