Thread: No Crackdown on Illegal Employers

A New York times article so here and there they sneak in the mantra of amnesty but posted because they are at least publishing a piece @ no penalties for employers...

No Crackdown on Illegal Employers

By THE EDITORIAL BOARDMARCH 20, 2017

President Trump began his campaign assailing immigrants as ruthless lawbreakers who steal American jobs with impunity. To halt them, he has vowed to build a wall along the border with Mexico, hire thousands of new immigration agents, ramp up immigrant detention and subject visa applicants to even more rigorous vetting. His administration has been largely silent, however, about the strongest magnet that has drawn millions of immigrants, legal and not, to the United States for generations: jobs.

American employers continue to assume relatively little risk by hiring undocumented immigrants to perform menial, backbreaking work, often for little pay. Meanwhile, as Mr. Trump’s deportation crackdown accelerates, families are being ripped apart, and communities of hard-working immigrants with deep roots in this country are gripped by fear and uncertainty. As long as employers remain off the hook, a border wall and an expanded dragnet can only make temporary dents in the flows of undocumented immigrants.

There was widespread, bipartisan acknowledgment of this reality the last time lawmakers managed to pass a comprehensive immigration bill. In 1986, President Ronald Reagan signed into law the Immigration Reform and Control Act, which outlined a carrots-and-sticks approach to reducing the number of undocumented workers in the American labor force. The bill offered a pathway to citizenship to roughly 2.7 million people who had been living in the United States without permission, set in motion an era of tighter controls at the border and made knowingly hiring undocumented people a crime.

If all had gone as planned, the nation’s population of unauthorized immigrants would have remained small and manageable. Instead, it ballooned to more than 11 million over the years, even as the government vastly beefed up border security and deportations. The main reason: Employer enforcement has been spotty, giving rise to the institutionalization of a wink-and-nod approach to hiring unauthorized workers. The government has sanctioned and prosecuted relatively few employers, because proving that employers willfully hired undocumented workers is hard and because powerful industries have pushed back on initiatives to hold employers accountable.
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(NOTE: {IMO} Many Americans are not willing to risk disease for low pay work & industry will not improve methods as long as they can get away with the cheapest systems possible. Notice the gear the farmworkers have to wear, workers in animal slaughtering come down with vicious illnesses from inhaling what emits into the area from all the killing, butchering, feces, blood. The have to work in big rooms with many workers and non-stop have to forcefully knife, rip apart animals for human consumption. The illegals and muslim refugees do not mind doing that brutal work. Workers have seconds to find danger in a conveyor belt of passing chickens, pork etc Is that really safe food to eat? Tobacco workers often young illegal teens become deathly ill as tobacco is a poison to the human body especially when touching, breathing in the enormous leaves in the field. They use large trash bags to achieve some protection - if you put 2&2 together - less regulations on industry, more pollution, more danger to workers, more profits for businesses - so the answer is 4, don't expect e-verify to be mandated, especially with ryan as speaker and don't expect those types of jobs to be modernized, made civilized, raise wages for Americans to take those jobs - w/o REGULATIONS IT WILL ONLY GET WORSE! It is all @ the profits, not the public or workers safety,


Workers on a farm in California’s Central Valley. Credit Max Whittaker for The New York Times
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Soon after the 1986 bill passed, employers and undocumented workers settled into a routine that was well understood in sectors like construction, hospitality and agriculture, which rely heavily on undocumented labor. Workers got fake papers from a thriving forged-documents industry. Employers accepted them at face value, which is as much as they’re required to do under the law.

A decade after the amnesty bill passed, Congress, alarmed by the rapid growth of a new generation of undocumented workers, started a pilot program called E-Verify, intending to make it harder to employ undocumented people.

The system, which was designed to allow employers to cross-reference an applicant’s work-eligibility documents against government records, remains voluntary for most employers two decades after its rollout. E-Verify has been criticized as an intrusive tool that can hurt workers who are wrongly flagged. But the fundamental reason it has not been embraced as a nationwide standard is that even in this era of deepening xenophobia in American politics, there is little appetite among lawmakers to hold employers accountable. Mr. Trump’s flurry of executive orders on immigration have been silent on the issue.

The budget request the Trump administration submitted to Congress last week includes a $2.6 billion down payment for the wall, $1.5 billion to ramp up detention and deportation operations and $314 million to hire immigration agents. Meanwhile, a proposal to make E-Verify compulsory nationwide is allocated a paltry $15 million.

The takeaway is clear. While it has become politically expedient to malign and scapegoat immigrants, Mr. Trump and Republican lawmakers across the country recognize that finding a way to excise them systematically from payrolls would have a crippling effect on several industries. The only long-term solution to this conundrum is returning to the bipartisan consensus that enabled the 1986 bill. This would require giving millions of undocumented immigrants the ability to earn citizenship, then developing a uniform system to verify employment eligibility, and more rigorously prosecuting employers who evade it.

Barring that form of comprehensive reform, American taxpayers will continue bankrolling an expensive, heartless crackdown on immigrants for years on end. Meanwhile, employers will continue to quietly reap the benefits of immigrant labor while looking the other way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/o...employers.html

Some of these jobs may not be what others would want, but Americans were doing these jobs before they brought in these illegals.

We were getting our meats processed, our vegetables harvested, our lawns mowed, our beds made, etc. etc.

To read these kinds of statements, you would think we were just a bunch of helpless people until the wonderful employers brought in illegals to care for us.

This is pure propaganda.

We were a prosperous, more law abiding, safer, healthier nation -

Yes, go after the employers - and now!!!

Also, stop the lie of 11 million -------------

The KEY WORD IS MONEY - they can pay them less with little health, safety, pollution standards in place. To see the Trump admin removing existing regulations is mind boggling - remove the incompetent language of obama admin ok, but you will not acquire American workers to do these jobs with even less safety regs. Understand why e-verify has not and will not be mandated. Follow the money, profits of industries. Follow the cancer rates of peoples employed in jobs that have inadequate, improper safety standards.

Many a worker in the farm industry, even recycling animal waste as sludge to implant as fertilizer into the ground have cancer, go thru the chemo routine, you are never the same after chemo. Oil refineries ate up illegals because no one else would climb into oil vats and clean them out. Oil is highly carcinogenic.

Why can't we see sensible, purposeful, protective regulations for the health and safety of workers and the public in general along with up to date wages on every profit making industry for our American citizens. This is the 21st century, let's utilize the contemporary modems that can be used in industry. Big business will fight that and sorry to say, we will not see innovation with the Trump admin only more profits for the rich.

And votes.

Money and that they are like indentured servants.

Originally Posted by artist

The KEY WORD IS MONEY - they can pay them less with little health, safety, pollution standards in place. To see the Trump admin removing existing regulations is mind boggling - remove the incompetent language of obama admin ok, but you will not acquire American workers to do these jobs with even less safety regs. Understand why e-verify has not and will not be mandated. Follow the money, profits of industries. Follow the cancer rates of peoples employed in jobs that have inadequate, improper safety standards.

Many a worker in the farm industry, even recycling animal waste as sludge to implant as fertilizer into the ground have cancer, go thru the chemo routine, you are never the same after chemo. Oil refineries ate up illegals because no one else would climb into oil vats and clean them out. Oil is highly carcinogenic.

Why can't we see sensible, purposeful, protective regulations for the health and safety of workers and the public in general along with up to date wages on every profit making industry for our American citizens. This is the 21st century, let's utilize the contemporary modems that can be used in industry. Big business will fight that and sorry to say, we will not see innovation with the Trump admin only more profits for the rich.

I really can't speak to a lot of that - but I can say Americans were doing those jobs for years before the illegals came. They didn't leave those jobs voluntarily, either.

We probably won't see any change - for the better - with this administration or any other.

If we see a change, we are going to have to force it and sadly I think we've let the water get to hot before we opened our eyes - and some still don't see.