Thread: To end shutdown, Trump needs to ‘put something on the table’: Morgan Ortagus

To end shutdown, Trump needs to ‘put something on the table’: Morgan Ortagus

By Joseph A. Wulfsohn | Fox News
Published 1 hour ago

Amid the partial government shutdown, President Trump may have to offer something in return for funding his border wall, national security analyst Morgan Ortagus suggested on the "Special Report" All-Star panel Tuesday night.

Now several days into the partial closure, which began at midnight Saturday, the president is standing firm with his demand for border funding, something Democrats on Capitol Hill are refusing to hand over.

“I can’t tell you when the government is going to be open. I can tell you that it’s not going to be open until we have a wall or fence -- whatever they’d like to call it,” Trump told reporters from the Oval Office.

Tuesday's All-Star panel, which included Ortagus, Bloomberg opinion columnist Eli Lake and Washington Post opinion writer Charles Lane, weighed in on who has the better standing during the shutdown.

Ortagus began by saying neither side has been “willing to take a loss” and that the “only way out of this” is for President Trump to “put something on the table.”

“Once when they go into the new Congress, as we know, the Democrats are even going to have more power as they will be in control of the House. So what I’m looking for is a long few weeks going into the new year where we’re trading a lot of back and forths. But until the president and his team put something like DACA or something on the table that will make Democrats salivate, I think we’re going to be at status quo,” Ortagus told the panel.

DACA refers to Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, an Obama-era program for assisting the U.S.-born children of parents who entered the country illegally.

Lane agreed with the other panelists that ending the shutdown would require a “bigger solution” to address immigration, adding that the shutdown also benefits both sides politically.

The Washington Post opinion writer also noted how the president’s rhetoric on the border wall has shifted and how he’s “modifying his position” in the interest of ending the partial government shutdown.

“All along, this has been about posturing on both sides towards those parts of the party base that wants to see a struggle over this," Lane said. "Possibly in between the lines of that statement, you see the beginning of the end of this crisis, but it could go on well into next year."

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No, we do not want DACA. We do not want these people coming into our country illegally or being brought here illegally, we don't care who smuggles them in whether a cartel or a parent who paid a cartel smuggler to get them in or anyone, parenat or child or other who came here on a visa and over-stayed.

We really don't even want them coming legally, we don't want asylum seekers, refugees, TPS either. We don't even want the vast number of green card recipients, we want far less, at least half and no chain migration, no visa lottery, and we don't want people who came here illegally to have any legal means of remaining in our country. They all gotta go!!

We don't want to be "compassionate" on this issue, we want to be tough and put our foot down, not to be mean to these people, but to be compassionate for our own citizens who carry the cost and burden of this scourge of massive illegal and legal immigration. It's too much. Our country can't sustain this level of population successfully, and we don't want to even if some day we could.

MR PRESIDENT THE LADY THAT CAME OVER THE FENCE TO HAVE HER BABY . SHIP HER & HER BABY BACK HOME( NO CITIZEN ) SHIP HER & HER BABY BACK HOME WE ARE NOT GOING PAY FOR ANY MORE OF THIS

NOTHING ON THE TABLE

LOAD THEM ON BARGES AND SHIP THEM BACK HOME!

NO DACA AND NO PATH TO STAY

WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THESE PARASITES DUMPING THEMSELVES ON OUR BACKS TO PAY FOR!

Mr. President, you need to end this and end it now. You need to figure out another way to build the wall, either with surplus funds or military funds or a combination of both. Use DEA money, FBI money, DOJ money, IRS money, ATF money, DOD money, State Department money, Commerce money, Labor money, Education money, every single one of these departments and agencies have a role in allowing this massive illegal immigration to develop over the years, and every single one of them should have their budgets used to stop the problem they helped cause.

You were on the right track when you tweeted you would get the military to build the wall, and you've gotten derailed because you don't fully understand the evil of the DemoQuack Party, Never Trumpers and Trump Haters these days. You don't even fully grasp how low Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer have sunk since you were elected President. You are not going to get the money from the Congress. There is no way to win this, you don't have the votes and are not going to get them. You're tanking the stock market over this, for no valid reason at all. A fight with consequences is only noble and good, if you can win it. You can not win this one. It was lost before it started. It's a Custer's Land Stand.

Your real supporters don't care who pays for the wall, so tell Mick to find the money, he knows where it is. Tell Patrick to go find the money, he knows where it is. They'll find it and you'll build the wall, quickly and quietly, the way you've been doing.

You're not stupid, you're the best President we've had in my lifetime, maybe in history by the time your terms are over, but this shutdown is stupid. STUPID.

But until the president and his team put something like DACA or something on the table that will make Democrats salivate, I think we’re going to be at status quo,” Ortagus told the panel.

We are in very big danger of Trump selling us out big time and offering Amnesty f.or illegal aliens for a mere 5 billion dollars that would build less than 200 miles of fencing or walls.

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

We are in very big danger of Trump selling us out big time and offering Amnesty f.or illegal aliens for a mere 5 billion dollars that would build less than 200 miles of fencing or walls.

Exactly. When you don't have the leverage in this case the votes, you aren't going to get what you want, UNLESS you trade something bigger than what you want. Real Estate 101. Business 101. Economics 101. Negotiation 101.

KILL THE SHUTDOWN AND KILL IT NOW!

As shutdown continues, Trump is right to fight for the border wall – Our national security demands it



By Christian Whiton | Fox News


Just when it looked like President Trump might cave in to Democratic opposition to his signature issue of a building a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border, he has taken a principled stand and is holding firm on his demand for about $5 billion in wall funding from Congress.

As a result, the partial federal government shutdown that began Saturday morning will continue for at least several days, because the Senate has adjourned until Thursday for the Christmas holiday.

Republican members of Congress have promised in the past to fight for the border wall – a commonsense position, because the wall will unquestionably make it harder for illegal immigrants and criminals to enter the U.S. But in the face of strong Democratic opposition, congressional Republicans have failed to deliver.

President Trump’s determination to keep his campaign promise to build a wall in the interests of America’s national security stiffened the resolve of Republicans in the House of Representatives.

The GOP has only days left as the majority party in control of the House. Democrats will become the majority party Jan. 3, as a result of their victories in the Nov. 6 midterm elections. The new Democratic majority is determined to frustrate the will of the president and the American voters who elected him, and so will fight to block funding for a border wall.

Despite the claim by House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi of California in an Oval Office meeting that the president didn’t have the votes to approve wall funding in the House even while it remains under Republican control, that body passed a budget with $5.7 billion for the wall by a decisive 217-185 vote Thursday.

Democrats in the Senate threatened a filibuster to prevent a vote on the bill funding a portion of government. They effectively shut part of the government by not allowing the revised federal budget legislation passed by the House to reach Trump’s desk.

Democrats are uniformly opposed to the partial shutdown – but all they have to do to reopen government is to approve funding for the border wall. It’s their refusal to allow the Senate to approve the funding bill passed by the House that is responsible for the shutdown.

While the GOP currently holds a 51-49 majority in the Senate, 60 votes are needed to overcome a filibuster.

Democrats are uniformly opposed to the partial shutdown – but all they have to do to reopen government is to approve funding for the border wall. It’s their refusal to allow the Senate to approve the funding bill passed by the House that is responsible for the shutdown.

The Democratic position today is wildly inconsistent with the position of Democrats in Congress just a few years ago.

Many Democrats used to be in favor of getting tough on illegal immigration. Back in 2009, Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. – now his party’s leader in the Senate – actually boasted about the border security improvements he supported. He praised “construction of 630 miles of border fence that creates a significant barrier to illegal immigration on the southern land border.”

In 2006 Schumer warned: “We need to make sure the flood of new immigrants does not drown our local governments out.”

And in 2006, Schumer and then-Democratic Sens. Hillary Clinton of New York, Joe Biden of Delaware and Barack Obama of Illinois voted for the Secure Fence Act, which provided for 700 miles of border barriers.
How times have changed.

Today these Democrats and others and oppose the wall, primarily because Trump wants it and because the increasingly far-left Democratic base hates it. They relish the idea of diluting the votes of current U.S. citizens more inclined to vote Republican by laying the groundwork for illegal immigrants to eventually gain the ability to become citizens and Democratic voters.

Democrats are also on thin ice in claiming the wall is too expensive. Soon the federal budget will be a whopping $4.5 trillion. Trump’s current wall request is a drop in the bucket for federal spending, and will eventually save money compared to the cost of higher crime, welfare payments and incarceration that result from not having a wall.

Given this hypocrisy, driven brazenly by the Democrats’ lust for power above all else, Trump is right to fight for a border wall.

A new poll released Tuesday by Quinnipiac University shows support for a border wall climbing to an all-time high – jumping five points since August to 43 percent.

Furthermore, 86 percent of Republicans support the wall and independents are nearly tied at 47 to 51 percent.

Overall, 54 percent of respondents still oppose the wall, but this is understandable and probably overstated given hysterical media opposition and our open-border elite’s false insinuation that wall supporters are racist. The trend of growing support for the wall favors Trump.

As to the partial shutdown itself, Washington is having a hissy-fit that is probably not shared by average Americans. Some Washington Republicans have been gun-shy about shutdowns since a showdown in 1995-1996 between then-President Bill Clinton and then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., shut the government for weeks. Republicans took most of the blame.

The correct lesson from that episode is that the president has a superior bully pulpit and ability to assign blame in a shutdown.

Even left-wing Politico concluded: “Democrats lost the shutdown war” last January when they briefly closed the government in a quest for a broader amnesty for so-called “Dreamer” illegal immigrants than the generous one President Trump offered.

As then, Trump is now on solid ground. It helps that the shutdown is only partial, with the military and entitlements fully funded for the fiscal year that runs through September.

Even if the shutdown stretches for weeks or months into the new Congress, average Americans won’t be impacted. Trump has the breathing room he needs to put immense pressure on the Senate to eliminate the filibuster for budget and tax votes – a step that would paradoxically strengthen Congress by restoring its power of the purse.

Trump’s move to get wall funding must be startling to his opponents at home and abroad. Many in the anti-Trump media have sold them the line that the president has been weakened politically since the midterm elections and amid stock market turbulence – and that he is desperate for a win.

But unlike many politicians, President Trump takes his campaign promises seriously. He promised the American people he would build a wall to protect us – and he is sticking to that promise as he fights obstructionist Democrats for needed funding for this national security measure.

Christian Whiton was a senior advisor in the Donald Trump and George W. Bush administrations. He is a senior fellow for strategy and public diplomacy at the Center for the National Interest and the author of “Smart Power: Between Diplomacy and War.”


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Custer was right, too, but he lost. Being "right" and winning aren't the same things.

Originally Posted by Judy

Custer was right, too, but he lost. Being "right" and winning aren't the same things.

General George Custer was a glory seeker that was full of himself. It was his reckless ego that led to his death and the death of his men. Are you comparing Trump to Custer?

Not really relevant, but Custer was not right because he disobeyed direct order to wait for reinforcements.