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    Trump Wants More Troops on Border, Implies They Should Get 'A Little Rough'

    Trump Wants More Troops on Border, Implies They Should Get 'A Little Rough'



    U.S. Soldiers load into a bus at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, Ariz., Feb. 2, 2019. The Department of Defense has deployed units across the Southwest Boarder at the request of U.S. Customs and Border Protection. (U.S. Air Force/Airman Frankie D. Moore)
    10 Apr 2019

    Military.com | By Gina Harkins

    The president said he'll put more troops on the U.S.-Mexico border and suggested Democrats are standing in the way of changing laws that prohibit the military from getting "a little rough."

    President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he'll send more military personnel to the border, where members of his administration say the situation is deteriorating. He also said the U.S. military "can't act like they would normally act" because of "horrible laws" Democrats refuse to change.


    "I'm going to have to call up more military," the president said. "Our military, don't forget, can't act like a military would act. Because if they got a little rough, everybody would go crazy."

    It's not immediately clear what laws Trump thinks should change or how he'd like to see troops acting while operating inside their own country.

    The White House did not immediately respond to questions seeking clarity on the commander in chief's comments.


    Trump's remarks came during a stop in San Antonio, where he met with campaign donors and talked about dangerous people coming across the border.


    "Who the hell can live like this?" he asked, according to The Dallas Morning News. Without his tough border security policies, the president said, murderous migrants "will probably stay at your house," the outlet reported.


    This isn't the first time Trump has hinted at wanting to change troops' rules of engagement when operating inside their own country.


    When violence broke out along the Mexico-Guatemala border last year, leaving police officers injured after migrants began throwing rocks, Trump said the U.S. military was "not going to put up with that."


    "Our military fights back," he said in November. "... I told [our troops], 'Consider that a rifle.'

    When they throw rocks like they did at the Mexico military and police, I say 'consider it a rifle.'"


    But a federal law called the Posse Comitatus Act prohibits military personnel from having direct contact with civilians to prevent it from acting as a domestic law-enforcement agency. Changing that would require an act of Congress.


    Active-duty military personnel and members of the National Guard have been deploying to the southwest border for months in support of the Department of Homeland Security, which has faced an influx of migrants from Central America who are fleeing violence and other problems.


    Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan said this week that he expects the military's mission along the border to pick up, Defense News reported.


    "Strictly on the basis of the volume and how much the situation there has deteriorated, I would expect us to do more," Shanahan said. That could mean setting up temporary shelters, he added, and picking up other requests "consistent with things we've done in the past," according to the outlet.


    Trump and Shanahan did not say how many more troops might be sent to the border.


    Critics have slammed the decision to dispatch troops to the border as a political stunt that pulls units away from more important missions. The commandant of the Marine Corps said this week that the service has had to shrink at least one training exercise due to border deployments.


    Trump predicted Wednesday that border security would be "an incredible issue" in the 2020 election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post


    Military.com | By Gina Harkins


    But a federal law called the Posse Comitatus Act prohibits military personnel from having direct contact with civilians to prevent it from acting as a domestic law-enforcement agency. Changing that would require an act of Congress.


    These are NOT civilians and they are NOT acting as a domestic-law enforcement agency. These are invaders and this is an invasion.

    How do we know when things are really bad in this country?

    When we begin to understand we can NOT trust the top echelon of our own military.

    They threw out that word Posse Comitatus Act----so once again here it is

    The Posse Comitatus Act does not prohibit US Military on our borders.

    US Military is allowed as authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress This is from Carlton Meyer’s new book: The Spectrum of Future Warfare.
    http://www.g2mil.com/border.htm

    Myth #1 The US Constitution prohibits posting US troops on the border.The US Constitution says no such thing. In fact, Article IV states: Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence. So the US Constitution clearly requires the federal government to protect states from invasion. Almost a million aliens illegally pouring across the border into states each year is clearly an invasion.

    Myth #2 The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits US troops from guarding US borders.
    This 1878 act was enacted to prevent Union troops from continuing to enforce federal laws in the defeated South after the American Civil war. Here is the text as modified by Congress in recent years:

    Sec. 1385. – Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatusWhoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

    Guarding US borders from foreign invasion is not “law enforcement.” The US Army exists to defend the US from foreign invasion, which is expressly authorized by the US Constitution. Guarding the Mexican border was the Army’s primary peacetime mission until 1940, and no one ever declared this was in violation of this 1878 act. The US Border Patrol wasn’t even formed until 1924, so claiming the intent of this law was to prevent US Army troops from guarding the border is absurd. The map at left shows US Army forts in Texas in the late 1880s when the entire US Army had fewer than 40,000 soldiers; it has 500,000 today. Clearly, defending the US border was a primary mission of the US Army for decades after this act was passed.Some may argue that Chapter 18, Section 375 of Title 10 US Code prevents military personnel from direct participation in law enforcement. However, defending US borders from foreign invaders is not law enforcement, it’s the basic purpose of the US military. While defending these United States from invasion, civilian law enforcement may be called upon to assist the US military. Does anyone believe the Border Patrol must operate fighter aircraft because the US Air Force can’t intercept aircraft crossing into the US because that’s “law enforcement”? When you read about proposals in Congress to put US troops on the border, those are not proposals to allow US troops on the border, but proposals to force the President to put troops back on the border. However, recent Presidents have listened to their corporate advisors and their slogans and ignored the threat of unsecured US borders.

    Myth #3 The National Guard should guard the border, not active duty troops.
    The National Guard is an organized militia to deal with state and national emergencies. Guarding the US border is a full-time mission that the federal government is required to perform by Article IV, Section 4 of the US Constitution. The few states along the border shouldn’t be expected to defend the entire country from invasion. This myth is also spread by imperial minded Generals who prefer to rule an empire overseas than to defend their own citizens. Whenever citizens demand the Army protect their nation, Generals dodge this issue by stating that it may be a mission for the National Guard, so as not to waste resources of the US Army. This is absurd; the primary mission of the US Army is to protect US citizens, and the US Constitution requires the federal government to protect states from invasion. If there is a major war and the Army would like to deploy its border troops overseas, then National Guard troops from any state can be mobilized to guard the border until the war ends.

    Myth #4 The US Army hasn’t the resources for border troops. The active duty army has 500,000 full-time troops supported by over 300,000 civilians. The Border Patrol has 9700 agents. Certainly, the Army can form a infantry division of 10,000 troops to actually defend the USA, or Congress can authorize more troops. This G2mil article: Cut Surplus Army Units identifies more than 10,000 unneeded positions in the US Army that can be cut to form an infantry division. There are several US military bases along the border that can host an infantry battalion for border security: NAS Whidbey Island, WA; Minot AFB, SD; Selfridge ARNG base, MI; Fort Drum, NY; Laughlin AFB, TX; Fort Bliss, TX; Fort Huachuca, AZ, Yuma Proving Grounds, AZ; and NAS El Centro, CA; plus several military facilities in the San Diego area. Some Army officers may express concern that border duty will hurt readiness for Army missions overseas. They don’t understand that defending the USA is their primary mission!

    Myth #5 Soldiers aren’t trained for such missions Soldiers are ideally trained to guard remote areas of the border. All they need are a few days of orientation training and to learn some Spanish or French phrases they can shout into a bullhorn: “Stop, you cannot enter the United States here, go back!” They will not process arrestees, fill out paperwork, search houses, run checkpoints, appear in court, or conduct investigations. They will just confront people who they directly view invading the USA. They will insist that foreign intruders turn back or face arrest by the Border Patrol. This will prevent odd incidents like in 1997 when a marine on drug war duty near the border shot a local goat herder who had fired in his direction. Some suspect this young man was paid by drug dealers to provoke an incident in hopes of getting the marines removed. He succeeded, but didn’t expect to die. The marines were there because the President had authorized their use after Army Generals refused. The Marine shooter was there on temporary duty and did not view the goat herder entering the USA illegally. The establishment of orientation training and strict rules of engagement can ensure that US troops have no contact with US citizens.

    Myth #6 Illegal immigration cannot be stopped Of course it can. There is no illegal immigration from North to South Korea because that border is heavily guarded. Perhaps some of the 20,000 US troops there can transfer to the US border. Guarding the border will not stop the hundreds of thousands of visitors who overstay their visas in the USA, but at least they were checked and inspected prior to arrival. The Border Patrol estimates that 700,000 unknown persons slipped past them last year, cutting that to 7000 a year is not unrealistic. Some claim that illegals will just find another way to cross. However, most illegals cannot obtain a visa or shopping pass because they haven’t an address and job.

    http://www.unitedpatriotsofamerica.c...r-borders.html





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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    Trump Wants More Troops on Border, Implies They Should Get 'A Little Rough'
    This would be great......IF......it happens. A year or two ago, I would greatly welcoming news like this. Now I just yawn, roll my eyes, and wait to see if it actually happens, knowing that it probably won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6 Million Dollar Man View Post
    This would be great......IF......it happens. A year or two ago, I would greatly welcoming news like this. Now I just yawn, roll my eyes, and wait to see if it actually happens, knowing that it probably won't.
    Trump's idea of "get a little rough"

    EL PASO, Texas (KFOX14) — U.S. Border Patrol agents continued their crowd control exercises Thursday near Sunland Park and Anapra as more reports are coming in of migrant caravans making their way to the United States.

    The exercise began with a helicopter that arrived and used a voice amplifier to give commands to stay behind the border fence.

    The exercise lasted about 40 minutes and was a joint operation between U.S. Border Patrol, CBP's Air and Marine Operations, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement personnel.


    During the exercise, one agent threw tennis balls at the agents, who responded with commands to stop throwing objects.


    The U.S. Border Patrol says these exercises are an ongoing practice.

    https://www.alipac.us/f12/u-s-border...ise-tx-369590/

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders View Post
    Trump's idea of "get a little rough"

    EL PASO, Texas (KFOX14) — U.S. Border Patrol agents continued their crowd control exercises Thursday near Sunland Park and Anapra as more reports are coming in of migrant caravans making their way to the United States.

    The exercise began with a helicopter that arrived and used a voice amplifier to give commands to stay behind the border fence.

    The exercise lasted about 40 minutes and was a joint operation between U.S. Border Patrol, CBP's Air and Marine Operations, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement personnel.


    During the exercise, one agent threw tennis balls at the agents, who responded with commands to stop throwing objects.


    The U.S. Border Patrol says these exercises are an ongoing practice.

    https://www.alipac.us/f12/u-s-border...ise-tx-369590/


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