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    U.S. Government Bought and Sold Weapons

    This is on the front page at fox news.com and the lead story right now!






    U.S. Government Bought and Sold Weapons During 'Fast and Furious,' Documents Show
    By William Lajeunesse
    Published September 26, 2011





    Not only did U.S. officials approve, allow and assist in the sale of more than 2,000 guns to the Sinaloa cartel -- the federal government used taxpayer money to buy semi-automatic weapons, sold them to criminals and then watched as the guns disappeared.

    This disclosure, revealed in documents obtained by Fox News, could undermine the Department of Justice's previous defense that Operation Fast and Furious was a "botched" operation where agents simply "lost track" of weapons as they were transferred from one illegal buyer to another. Instead, it heightens the culpability of the federal government as

    Mexico, according to sources, has opened two criminal investigations into the operation that flooded their country with illegal weapons.
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    Documents Detail ATF Involvement in 'Fast and Furious'
    The following documents detail the role the ATF played in buying and selling weapons as part of its controversial "Fast and Furious" operation.

    Operation Fast and Furious began in October 2009. In it, federal agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives encouraged guns stores to sell weapons to an arms smuggling gang, then watched as the guns crossed the border and were used in crimes. Each month, the agency allowed hundreds of guns to go south, despite opposition from some agents.

    All told, the gang spent more than $1.25 million for the illegal guns.
    In June 2010, however, the ATF dramatically upped the ante, making the U.S. government the actual "seller" of guns.

    According to documents obtained by Fox News, Agent John Dodson was ordered to buy six semi-automatic Draco pistols -- two of those were purchased at the Lone Wolf gun store in Peoria, Ariz. An unusual sale, Dodson was sent to the store with a letter of approval from David Voth, an ATF group supervisor.

    Dodson then sold the weapons to known illegal buyers, while fellow agents watched from their cars nearby.

    This was not a "buy-bust" or a sting operation, where police sell to a buyer and then arrest them immediately afterward. In this case, agents were "ordered" to let the sale go through and follow the weapons to a stash house.

    According to sources directly involved in the case, Dodson felt strongly that the weapons should not be abandoned and the stash house should remain under 24-hour surveillance. However, Voth disagreed and ordered the surveillance team to return to the office. Dodson refused, and for six days in the desert heat kept the house under watch, defying direct orders from Voth.

    A week later, a second vehicle showed up to transfer the weapons. Dodson called for an interdiction team to move in, make the arrest and seize the weapons. Voth refused and the guns disappeared with no surveillance.

    According to a story posted Sunday on a website dedicated to covering Fast and Furious, Voth gave Dodson the assignment to "dirty him up," since Dodson had become the most vocal critic of the operation.

    "I think Dodson demanded the letter from Voth to cover both himself and the FFL (Federal Firearm Licensee). He didn't want to be hung out to dry by Voth," a source told the website "Sipsey Street Irregulars."
    Subsequent to this undercover operation, sources told Sipsey: "Dodson just about came apart all over them (his supervisors). In a 'screaming match' that was heard throughout the Phoenix office by many employees,

    Dodson yelled at Voth and Assistant Special Agent in Charge George Gillett, 'Why not just go direct and empty out the (ATF) arms room?" (to the cartels), or words to that effect.'

    After the confrontation, ATF managers transferred Dodson to a more menial job. Months later, after the death of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, Dodson blew the whistle and went public about the federal government's gunrunning operation.




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    There have been calls for a special prosecutor and nothing has happened yet. The American people as well as the government of Mexico should demand it.
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    $1.25 million for the illegal guns
    The American taxpayers paid for this!
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    Its crap like this why the goverment is broke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckman
    Its crap like this why the goverment is broke.
    No it's crap like this, is why our Government is guilty of "Murder"
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevetheroofer
    Quote Originally Posted by duckman
    Its crap like this why the goverment is broke.
    No it's crap like this, is why our Government is guilty of "Murder"
    Exactly Steve. No doubt now, our government is guilty of killing it's own citizens!!

    They need to call for a special prosecutor NOW.

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    Project Gunrunner | ATF Issa Subpoena | The Daily Callerdailycaller.com/2011/04/21/what-we-know-about-project-gunrunner/Cached
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    Apr 21, 2011 – The project began during the Bush administration in Laredo, Texas, ... into Mexico, eventually ending up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels. ... Heres where it all started with gun running.

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    If I'm whackin' people on the job, and my shift is up, and you come on and keep whackin' folks, well "2 whacks don't make a right!"
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    duckman wrote:

    Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:34 pm Post subject:

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    Project Gunrunner | ATF Issa Subpoena | The Daily Callerdailycaller.com/2011/04/21/what-we-know-about-project-gunrunner/Cached
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    Apr 21, 2011 – The project began during the Bush administration in Laredo, Texas, ... into Mexico, eventually ending up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels. ... Heres where it all started with gun running.
    Blame Bush? Prior to 2009, guns were not allowed to go across the border. It seems the program changed under Obama. It was funded with 10 million in stimulus money. Looks 1.25 million went to buy the guns for the Sinola cartel.

    Issa, Cummings in Showdown Over ATF's Gunrunner

    Thursday, 21 Apr 2011 05:22 PM

    By Tom O'Connell

    When the ATF’s Project Gunrunner began in 2005 under the Bush administration, the agency didn’t allow guns to be taken over the border into Mexico. Under President Barack Obama, the agency not only allowed the illegal sale of American guns but also allowed them to leave the United States and fall into cartel hands, according to a report on DailyCaller.com. The ATF’s plan was then to track the weapons, but only after they’d been used in crimes.

    Since that change in policy was implemented, two AK-47s that were allowed to be bought illegally allegedly have been linked to the murder of a U.S. border agent.

    When CBS News started reporting on the operation, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., the House Oversight Committee chairman, started asking questions. The ATF and the Justice Department have ignored subpoenas from Issa requesting documents about the operation. Issa and other officials would like to know who signed off on the decision to allow automatic weapons to waltz across the border.

    Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., who also sits on the House Oversight Committee, is standing behind both the Justice Department and the ATF in their refusal to give up documents about the operation, saying that it could jeopardize it.

    “Our committee has a responsibility to investigate allegations of waste, fraud and abuse,
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    Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., who also sits on the House Oversight Committee, is standing behind both the Justice Department and the ATF in their refusal to give up documents about the operation, saying that it could jeopardize it.
    "Well now we know why it's taking so long!"
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