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    What Ever Happened to Joe Horn

    Man Kills Suspects While On Phone With 911

    Two Men Shot In Texas By Joe Horn Who Saw Suspects Leaving Neighbor's House

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    PASADENA, Tex., Nov. 17, 2007

    (CBS) The 911 call came from a Pasadena, Tex., resident, who alerted police to two burglary suspects on a neighbor's property. Before he hung up, two men were dead by his hand.

    Joe Horn, 61, told the dispatcher what he intended to do: Walk out his front door with a shotgun.

    "I've got a shotgun," Horn said, according to a tape of the 911 call. "Do you want me to stop them?"

    "Nope, don't do that - ain't no property worth shooting somebody over, OK?" the dispatcher responded.

    "Hurry up man, catch these guys, will you? 'Cause I'm ain't gonna let 'em go, I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm not gonna let 'em go. I'm not gonna let 'em get away with this ----."

    Shortly after, Horn said he sees one suspect was standing in front of his house, looking at it from the street.

    "I don’t know if they’re armed or not. I know they got a crowbar 'cause that's what they broke the windows with. ... Man, this is scary, I can't believe this is happening in this neighborhood."

    He gets more agitated. The dispatcher asks if he can see the suspects but they had retreated into the target's house, out of view: "I can go out the front [to look], but if I go out the front I'm bringing my shotgun with me, I swear to God. I am not gonna let 'em get away with this, I can't take a chance on getting killed over this, OK? I'm gonna shoot, I'm gonna shoot."

    "Stay inside the house and don’t go out there, OK?" the dispatcher said. "I know you're pissed off, I know what you're feeling, but it's not worth shooting somebody over this, OK?"

    "I don’t want to," Horn said, "but I mean if I go out there, you know, to see what the hell is going on, what choice am I gonna have?

    "No, I don’t want you to go out there, I just asked if you could see anything out there."

    The dispatcher asks if a vehicle could be seen; Horn said no. The dispatcher again says Horn should stay inside the house.

    Almost five minutes into the call, police had not arrived.

    "I can’t see if [the suspects are] getting away or not," Horn said.

    Horn told the dispatcher that he doesn’t know the neighbors well, unlike those living on the other side of his home. "I can assure you if it had been their house, I would have already done something, because I know them very well," he said.

    Dispatcher: "I want you to listen to me carefully, OK?"

    Horn: "Yes?"

    Dispatcher: "I got ultras coming out there. I don't want you to go outside that house. And I don't want you to have that gun in your hand when those officers are poking around out there."

    Horn: "I understand that, OK, but I have a right to protect myself too, sir, and you understand that. And the laws have been changed in this country since September the First and you know it and I know it."

    Dispatcher: "I understand."

    Horn: "I have a right to protect myself ..."

    Dispatcher: "I'm ..."

    Horn: "And a shotgun is a legal weapon, it's not an illegal weapon."

    Dispatcher: "No, it's not, I'm not saying that, I'm just not wanting you to ..."

    Horn: "OK, he's coming out the window right now, I gotta go, buddy. I'm sorry, but he's coming out the window. "

    Dispatcher: "No, don't, don't go out the door, Mister Horn. Mister Horn..."

    Horn: "They just stole something, I'm going out to look for 'em, I'm sorry, I ain't letting them get away with this ----. They stole something, they got a bag of stuff. I'm doing it!"

    Dispatcher: "Mister, do not go outside the house."

    Horn: "I'm sorry, this ain't right, buddy."

    Dispatcher: "You gonna get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun, I don't care what you think."

    Horn: "You wanna make a bet?"

    Dispatcher: "Stay in the house."

    Horn: "There, one of them's getting away!

    Dispatcher: "That's alright, property's not something worth killing someone over. OK? Don't go out the house, don't be shooting nobody. I know you're pissed and you're frustrated but don't do it."

    Horn: "They got a bag of loot."

    Dispatcher: "OK. How big is the bag?" He then talks off, relaying the information.

    Dispatcher: "Which way are they going?"

    Horn: "I can't ... I'm going outside. I'll find out."

    Dispatcher: "I don't want you going outside, Mister..."

    Horn: "Well, here it goes buddy, you hear the shotgun clicking and I'm going."

    Dispatcher: "Don't go outside."

    On the tape of the 911 call, the shotgun can be heard being cocked and Horn can be heard going outside and confronting someone.

    "Boom! You're dead!" he shouts. A loud bang is heard, then a shotgun being cocked and fired again, and then again.

    Then Horn is back on the phone:

    "Get the law over here quick. I've now, get, one of them's in the front yard over there, he's down, he almost run down the street. I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man, I had no choice! ... Get somebody over here quick, man."

    Dispatcher: "Mister Horn, are you out there right now?"

    Horn: "No, I am inside the house, I went back in the house. Man, they come right in my yard, I didn't know what the --- they was gonna do, I shot 'em, OK?"

    Dispatcher: "Did you shoot somebody?

    Horn: "Yes, I did, the cops are here right now."

    Dispatcher: "Where are you right now?"

    Horn: "I'm inside the house. ..."

    Dispatcher: "Mister Horn, put that gun down before you shoot an officer of mine. I've got several officers out there without uniforms on."

    Horn: "I am in the front yard right now. I am ..."

    Dispatcher: "Put that gun down! There's officers out there without uniforms on. Do not shoot anybody else, do you understand me? I've got police out there..."

    Horn: "I understand, I understand. I am out in the front yard waving my hand right now."

    Dispatcher: "You don't have a gun with you, do you?

    Horn: "No, no, no."

    Dispatcher: "You see a uniformed officer? Now lay down on the ground and don't do nothing else."

    Yelling is heard.

    Dispatcher: "Lay down on the ground, Mister Horn. Do what the officers tell you to do right now."

    Two days later, Horn released a statement through an attorney.

    “The events of that day will weigh heavily on me for the rest of my life," it said. "My thoughts go out to the loved ones of the deceased.
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    I think he learned the hard way about talking to the press.

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    There has been no mention of him in the Houston media. There was one story a few months back about how they were taking their time investigating and the police and prosecutors were accused of dragging their feet. But still no word on whether or not he was no billed or will be dragged into court.

    I suspect as most other do here that the legal system is wanting this all to just go away and they will stall until things have quited down then then dismiss it. Which I agree is the right thing to do.
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    On January 20th it was still under investigation ... 77102.html

    The Joe Horn shooting controversy refers to the events of November 14, 2007, in Pasadena, Texas, United States. Local resident Joe Horn has been accused of shooting and killing two men burglarizing his neighbor's home. Publicized recordings of Horn's exchange with emergency dispatch indicate that he was asked repeatedly not to interfere with the burglary, because the police would soon be on hand.[1] The shootings have resulted in debate regarding self-defense and Texas state gun control laws. The illegal alien status of the burglars has been highlighted because of the U.S. border controversy.[2]

    Joe Horn, 61, spotted two burglars breaking into his next-door Vietnamese-American neighbor's home in Pasadena, Texas. He called 911 to call police to the scene. While on the phone with emergency dispatch, Horn stated that he had the right to use deadly force to defend property, referencing Texas Penal Code § 9.41., § 9.42., and § 9.43. which justify the use of deadly force to protect property. He stated that he was going to go outside and confront the burglars. As the burglars were exiting his neighbor's home, and approaching Horn's home, Horn exited his home with his shotgun, while the 911 Operator tried to dissuade him from that action. On the 911 tape, he is heard confronting the suspects, saying, "Move, and you're dead",[3] immediately followed by the sound of a shotgun blast, followed by two more.[4] Following the shootings Mr. Horn told the 911 operator, "They came in the front yard with me, man, I had no choice!" [5]

    Police initially identified the dead men in Horn's yard as 38-year-old Miguel Antonio DeJesus and Diego Ortiz, 30, both of Houston of Afro Latino descent. However, DeJesus was actually an alias of Hernando Riascos Torres, 38.[3] They were carrying a sack with more than $2,000 cash and jewelry taken from the home. Both were convicted criminals from Colombia who had entered the country illegally, and were members of an organized burglary ring in Houston.[1] Police found a Puerto Rican identification card on Ortiz while Torres had three identification cards from Colombia, Puerto Rico, and the Dominican Republic.

    A plain clothes police detective responding to the 911 call had arrived at the scene before the shooting and witnessed the escalation and shootings, while remaining in his car.[3] His report on the incident indicated that the men who were killed "received gunfire from the rear".[1] Police Capt. A.H. Corbett stated the two men ignored Mr. Horn's order to freeze and one of the suspects ran towards Joe Horn before he angled away from him toward the street when he was shot in the back. Pasadena police confirmed that the two men were shot after they ventured into his front yard. The detective did not arrest Horn. ... ontroversy

    seems the two were illegals.

    that is about all the info I can find.
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    Grand jury will hear Joe Horn case next month

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    Grand jurors next month will hear the case of a Pasadena man accused of fatally shooting two alleged burglars as they ran near his property.

    Investigators have said Joe Horn admitted to killing Diego Ortiz and Hernando Riascos Torres after he reported seeing them break into a neighbor's home.

    Both were shot in the back with a 12-gauge shotgun, Pasadena police said.

    Horn, 61, has not been charged in the case.

    Scott Durfee, a spokesman for the Harris County District Attorney's Office, said prosecutor Lynne Parsons was waiting for forensic testing before presenting the case to grand jurors.

    Durfee declined to say whether the DA's office would ask the grand jury to indict or decline to indict.

    "We're not stating publicly what our position will be," Durfee said.
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