Thread: Why the Kennedy-McCain sham will destroy America

Maybe she's afraid she'll lose her illegal housekeeper and would have to hire an American to clean?



I mean with Swiffers, why not do it yourself for free and save our country all this trouble?



Ladies, is it possible that we could save America with a Swiffer Army? How much of this pro-illegal immigration is ladies not wanting to clean their own house? How much "influence" do these women have in our boardrooms and chambers? Is it possible that we've been sold out by Swifferobiaphytes?

As screwed up as this situation is, I would not doubt anything at this point.

DOWN WITH ILLEGAL LIVE IN NANNIES AND MAIDS

UP WITH KIDDE CARE ORECKS AND SWIFFERS!!

valeska78,
Sorry to inform you but I and tons of people work for minimum wage or slightly above that. I am an American and so are they. We take what ever job is available to us and are thankful for what ever we can get. Yes we work 60+ hours a week at two or more jobs just to make ends met and we know if there were not so many illegals on our shores that minimum wages would go up and we would have more money for the things we need. Understand yhis: things we NEED not things we WANT. We are the type of people who work and never ever can afford to go out to eat, go to a movie, or do anything for "entertainment. There is no one out there that can tell me that having millions of people here illegally is a good thing for America. We also do not feel that America is a rich country. If it was as rich as the elite would have us beleive, we would not be worrying ever day how we are going to pay our bills. We would have the money to play at least one day a month. I think I have said enough and will stop here.

UBGold--that is the second best post ever made on the ALIPAC site. Butterbean holds the best post as she explained with an article how to fix the problem you just described so eloquently on her 20 Questions About Impeaching a Vice President. We already know how to Impeach the Wackident.

While this fight is for all Americans and our nation, this fight centers on Americans who are under-paid, under-valued, over-worked, and struggling every single day without a minute or dime to spare BECAUSE of a flooded labor market depressing wages and salaries and forcing Americans to work many more hours than are healthy for a proper life that requires free time for oneself and one's family.

Thank you so much for sharing your life and telling valeska78 the absolute truth about illegal immigration and the disgraceful and shameful impact this criminal disease is having on our fellow Citizens.

Originally Posted by valeska78

BUT...

Unless your background is purely native american, I would say you come from an immigrant family yourself.

We are discussing immigration to a country, The United States of America. Native Americans had virtually nothing to do with the founding of the United States and were not generally citizens of the United States until made so by an act of Congress in 1924 -- almost 150 years after the founding of the United States. Native Americans had their own nations for those 150 years -- so unless you are talking about immigration to the Sioux, Apache, etc. nations, your statement is so pointless and nonsensical it can't be addressed. What in the heck does whether or not I come from an immigrant family have to do with anything? I would say you moved into your house, do you leave your front door open for everybody else to move in as they please? If you are at all consistent, please post your address so that the tradition may continue.

Isn't this the basis of this great country of ours, the so called land of the free? To offer a better life to those who seek it?

No.

We, the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

summarizes the basis much more accurately. While the founding fathers were not generally opposed to immigration, they put the survivability of their young nation at a much higher priority than allowing immigration. This prompted Jefferson to say, "The first consideration in immigration should always be the welfare of the receiving nation" and "I fear immigration because all the immigrants bring with them are the failed institutions of their place of origin". Jefferson was in a much better position to understand the basis of this country than you.

Why was it fair for our ancestor to have come here seeking a better life for themselves and their children but it's not ok for the immigrants of today?

Because our ancestors just didn't merely come to this country "seeking a better life", they founded it, built it, sweated for it, and died for it. Therefore they had the privilege and responsibility to decide who came and who didn't and as their posterity that responsibility now falls to us to be used judicially and wisely. There was never a time when it was ok for everybody to come here; first the colonies decided who came, then the states, then the Federal government. The Native Americans also restricted it into their nations. Conditions also change over time. In order to fill the Louisiana Purchase, for example, we needed U.S. citizens to occupy it to avoid losing it. Now, it's filled. So, what was needed then, may be a detriment today. The U.S. had plenty of resources to support new citizens then, those resources are being exhausted today. Why was it ok to have slaves in 1840, but not ok to have slaves today? Why was it okay for you to move into your house, but not all the rest of us? Do you think no nation in the world can restrict immigration or just this one? You do know the ancestors of the people of every nation came from some place else, right? By the way, immigrants are still allowed to come here to seek a better life, however that doesn't mean everybody that comes here is an immigrant (as opposed to illegal alien) and entitled to seek a better life here. Why was it fair that Ginny got a date to the prom and you didn't?

Why have we forgotten this so quickly?

Because it's delusional to remember what never was. You seem to be a victim of propaganda at best rather than a student of history.

The second message on this board was just plain uneducated... the dude needs to get out of the bubble...

Compared to the third message, it was a masterpiece of erudition. The dude lives in the realityland, not fantasyland.

YES, the country does seem to be over populated as it is... but then again, I see it that way because I live in the metropolitan area... have you taken a drive in Arkansas? Pennsylvania? Texas? There's NOTHING there... there's land and that's all there is... most people in these area don't have computers, nevermind the internet... they farm, they lead a slow and simple life unaware of our crazy and busy lifestyle.

Thank God! Land has been discovered in Arkansas, Pennsylvania, and Texas. Perhaps living in a metropolitan area is one reason that you are so out of touch with reality. There is plenty of "nothing there" land on the moon too, but we can't dump immigrants there because empty space alone can't support life. If there are farmers in those places, then that is where your food is coming from so what is there is pretty important rather than being nothing. The most critical factor is or will be the availability of water. If there isn't sufficient annual rainfall and/or adequate underground aquifers then neither cities nor farms can be supported. Maybe that is one reason those areas aren't very populated. Texas is burning due to lack of rainfall -- try watching CNN at least. We can't continue to divert water from farms to cities and still have food. We pump 3.2 billion more gallons of water from aquifers every day than is replaced -- it will run out. President Bush wants to get water from Canada, but they want to keep it. What about other resources? Domestic natural gas is running out too and we need that both for heating and fertilizer -- much less food without fertilizer. Oil production is likely to decline with or without ANWR and demand increases every day. In general, we are running out of non-renewable resources and renewable resources are being depleted faster than they can be replenished.

People in those states and farmers do have computers, the internet, cell phones, SUVs and the whole thing. Modern farmers don't lead a slow and simple life. They have to be a combination of an agronomist, business manager, marketing specialist understanding futures and options things, mechanic, environmental and chemical application expert, personnel specialist, inventory manager, trucker, government farm program specialist, and a bunch of other things. One piece of farm equipment can cost $100,000 or more, but all that doesn't have much to do with immigration.

BlueHills that was a great post. You have alot more patience with OBL trolls then I do.

BlueHills--outstanding post!!

You nailed it right on his many heads.

I was about to say what dman beat me to saying! Thanks, dman!

I will add ONE THING in regards to a statement Valeska made:

These immigrants won't be taking your job or mine, they won't become doctors, teachers, designers overnight

WHAT KIND OF RARIFIED ATMOSPHERE ARE YOU LIVING IN??? What percentage of American people are FORTUNATE ENOUGH to be PROFESSIONALS???? The VAST MAJORITY of Americans are just hard-working people without the advantage of a college education that would prepare them for jobs in these PROFESSIONS you mentioned. I think the percentage of factory workers, farmers, construction workers, LABORERS would FAR OUTNUMBER teachers, doctors, designers!

Valeska--you really need to COME BACK TO EARTH.