Thread: Legislator wants investigation of illegal immigrants

Legislator wants investigation of illegal immigrants

BY BILL KACZOR
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published Apr. 17, 2007


TALLAHASSEE - Rep. Don Brown on Monday qualified the apology he made last week for e-mailing a cartoon poking fun at illegal immigrants, and asked for a state investigation to determine if they are a burden to Florida's taxpayers.

The DeFuniak Springs Republican said at a news conference his apology may have been misconstrued. Brown said he intended to apologize only for offending some of the lawmakers who received his e-mail - not for its message or use of the term "illegal aliens," which some consider derogatory.

The cartoon read: "Don't forget to pay your taxes. 12 million illegal aliens are depending on you!"

"Illegal, illegal, illegal, what does that mean?" Brown said. "I don't understand at all why they were offended. I see absolutely nothing wrong with the e-mail."

Brown said the cartoon raised a legitimate question about whether undocumented immigrants are a drain on the state's budget and economy.

"They show up in our emergency rooms," he said. "They show up in our schools."

Brown said he planned to ask legislative leaders and Gov. Charlie Crist to order an investigation to determine how many illegal immigrants are in Florida and the financial effect they have on public services such as health care, housing, schools, jails and prisons.

Also, he said he would propose a resolution from the Legislature to Congress and President Bush urging the creation of a deportation program and full funding for construction of a fence on the U.S.-Mexican border.

Rep. Juan Carlos "J.C." Planas, R-Miami, who took offense at the cartoon for labeling undocumented migrants as illegal aliens, said it appeared Brown was trying to justify his behavior by proposing the investigation. Planas said he would welcome an investigation, but didn't think it was needed.

"Let's have a debate on the existing studies that are out there," Planas said.

Some national studies have indicated undocumented immigrants, who pay sales, income and other taxes, have a net positive effect on the economy, but others have come to the opposite conclusion.

"If we can find out they are a positive contribution ... that doesn't change the fact they are illegal," Brown said.

He said he might, though, support a guest worker program such as one proposed by President Bush.

"I don't have any inherent objection to that," Brown said. "It means that we have to know who they are, where they are and why they're here, and we want to know when they're going to go back and forth."



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Rep. Juan Carlos "J.C." Planas, R-Miami, who took offense at the cartoon for labeling undocumented migrants as illegal aliens

Yeah, now let's see.......labeling "undocumented migrants as illegal aliens?????? Let's pick this one apart. undocumented means, according to the dictionary:

un·doc·u·ment·ed (ŭn-dŏk'yə-měn'tĭd) Pronunciation Key
adj.
Not supported by written evidence: undocumented income tax deductions; undocumented accusations.
Not having the needed documents, as for permission to live or work in a foreign country.
n. A person not having proper documentation, especially for immigration.

Illegal means:

il·le·gal /ɪˈligəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-lee-guhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. forbidden by law or statute.
2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.: The referee ruled that it was an illegal forward pass.
–noun 3. Informal. illegal alien.


Migrant/immigrant:

im·mi·grant
n.
A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.
A plant or animal that establishes itself in an area where it previously did not exist.

adj. Of or relating to immigrants or the act of immigrating.

mi·grant
–adjective 1. migrating, esp. of people; migratory.
–noun 2. a person or animal that migrates.
3. Also called migrant worker. a person who moves from place to place to get work, esp. a farm laborer who harvests crops seasonally.

Now notice, undocumented means "not having the necessary documents" meaning no documents from the proper authorities, which is ILLEGAL! Now illegal means, against the laws.

Immigrants is someone who plans to stay permanently, a migrant on the other hand, plans to stay only till a crop or job is done and then to go home, which 12 million ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS have not done, they have come here without proper identification and/or papaer, which is illegal by our laws, which means they are neither migrants or simply "undocumented" as this politician would like us to think, they are illegal immigrants as they have come here without papers to stay permanently.

And this man is in charge of stuff, and he cannot even graps that difference, guess we need to send him these definitions of those words, heck maybe a whole dictionary would be appropriate.

Originally Posted by AmericanElizabeth

Rep. Juan Carlos "J.C." Planas, R-Miami, who took offense at the cartoon for labeling undocumented migrants as illegal aliens

Yeah, now let's see.......labeling "undocumented migrants as illegal aliens?????? Let's pick this one apart. undocumented means, according to the dictionary:

un·doc·u·ment·ed (ŭn-dŏk'yə-měn'tĭd) Pronunciation Key
adj.
Not supported by written evidence: undocumented income tax deductions; undocumented accusations.
Not having the needed documents, as for permission to live or work in a foreign country.
n. A person not having proper documentation, especially for immigration.

Illegal means:

il·le·gal /ɪˈligəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-lee-guhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. forbidden by law or statute.
2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.: The referee ruled that it was an illegal forward pass.
–noun 3. Informal. illegal alien.


Migrant/immigrant:

im·mi·grant
n.
A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.
A plant or animal that establishes itself in an area where it previously did not exist.

adj. Of or relating to immigrants or the act of immigrating.

mi·grant
–adjective 1. migrating, esp. of people; migratory.
–noun 2. a person or animal that migrates.
3. Also called migrant worker. a person who moves from place to place to get work, esp. a farm laborer who harvests crops seasonally.

Now notice, undocumented means "not having the necessary documents" meaning no documents from the proper authorities, which is ILLEGAL! Now illegal means, against the laws.

Immigrants is someone who plans to stay permanently, a migrant on the other hand, plans to stay only till a crop or job is done and then to go home, which 12 million ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS have not done, they have come here without proper identification and/or papaer, which is illegal by our laws, which means they are neither migrants or simply "undocumented" as this politician would like us to think, they are illegal immigrants as they have come here without papers to stay permanently.

And this man is in charge of stuff, and he cannot even graps that difference, guess we need to send him these definitions of those words, heck maybe a whole dictionary would be appropriate.

Job well done AmericanElizabeth. I've been saying the same all along. Now do they understand the word ILLEGAL

Sure they understand it Bren. They just refuse to use it.

Calling an illegal alien an undocumented immigrant is like calling a burglar an uninvited house guest.

He said he might, though, support a guest worker program such as one proposed by President Bush.

Ummm...they'll still cost $3.00 for every $1.00 they earn as low-skilled workers and then we'll have families and more anchor babies. Are these guys just ignorant??? Sound like the only problem he has is that they are "illegal".

The cartoon read: "Don't forget to pay your taxes. 12 million illegal aliens are depending on you!"

I hope they are offended.

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And more offended.



Dixie

Juan Carlos me thinks thou dost protest too much.

Truth hurts doesn't it?
Get over it.

I absolutely refuse to call them anything other then illegal aliens.
I will not be PC.
I am not going to be told in MY country what I can and can not say about someone who is here illegally. Period.

At times if I catch myself saying immigrant, I correct myself and say alien. Immigrants have a positive connotation. Aliens have a negative connotation. It is a disservice to all immigrants who have come here legally since our country was born. You want the respect? Get the papers before you cross the border.

I do the same thing Proud. I find myself saying immigrant instead of alien. ILLEGAL is the word of the day boys and girls LOL,LOL

Seems like even the DHS knows what to call these lawbreakers.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers today arrested 106 illegal alien fugitives and 19 immigration status violators throughout the Midwest during a 10-day initiative.