Starting at 4:03 it gets interesting, then Dobbs calls Rove out a out the Bush administration's policies. Dobbs lets him have it at the end.
Karl Rove's take on 2016 presidential politics, illegal immigration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GdXTRcCGLk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GdXTRcCGLk
