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    Teen homeschooler jailed under Patriot Act

    Teen homeschooler jailed under Patriot Act

    FBI holds 10th-grader for months with little contact from family

    Posted: May 04, 2009
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    A 16-year-old homeschooled boy from North Carolina was taken away from his home in handcuffs two months ago and has been held by the FBI in Indiana ever since, a victim, his mother claims, of the Patriot Act spun out of control.

    According to Annette Lundeby of Oxford, N.C., armed FBI agents and local police stormed her home around 10 p.m. on March 5, looking for her son, Ashton. The officers presented a federal search warrant and seized the tenth-grader's computer, cell phone and bank statements.

    Ashton was then taken to a juvenile facility in South Bend, Ind., charged with making a bomb threat in Indiana from his home computer.

    His mother, however, told Raleigh's WRAL-TV that she argued with the authorities, claiming someone must have hacked into her son's IP address and used it to make crank calls. The agents' search, she claims, also failed to uncover any trace of bomb-making materials.

    "Undoubtedly, they were given false information," Lundeby told the station, "or they would not have had 12 agents in my house with a widow and two children and three cats."

    Allowed little access to see her son over the last two months, facing a court date that keeps being pushed back and given no information by FBI agents sitting behind a gag order on the case, Lundeby now says the USA Patriot Act has unjustly imprisoned an innocent boy and stripped her son of due process.

    "We have no rights under the Patriot Act to even defend them, because the Patriot Act basically supersedes the Constitution," she told WRAL-TV. "It wasn't intended to drag your barely 16-year-old, 120-pound son out in the middle of the night on a charge that we can't even defend."

    Passed after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, the USA Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism – or P.A.T.R.I.O.T. – Act armed law enforcement with new tools to detect and prevent terrorism. Among other measures, it better enables interagency cooperation and allows law enforcement a wider array of technological and surveillance tools to more quickly and stealthily investigate terrorist threats.

    Dan Boyse, a former U.S attorney not connected to the case, explained to WRAL-TV how Ashton Lundeby could have been swept up by the Patriot Act.

    "They're saying that 'we feel this individual is a terrorist or an enemy combatant against the United States, and we're going to suspend all of those due process rights because this person is an enemy of the United States,'" Boyce told the station.

    Boyce theorized that if an FBI agent came to the conclusion that Lundeby was a serious terrorist threat, the usual rules of law enforcement don't apply.

    "There's nothing a matter of public record," Boyce said. "All those normal rights are just suspended in the air."

    Ashton's mother told the television station, "Never in my worst nightmare did I ever think that it would be my own government that I would have to protect my children from. This is the United States, and I feel like I live in a third world country now."

    The WRAL-TV news report, including Annette Lundeby's comments, can be seen below:

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    Did this happen in 2009? Has Red Cross or any churches gone in and checked on this child in Indiana? What is President Obama doing about this child? I cannot believe this has went on.
    According to Annette Lundeby of Oxford, N.C., armed FBI agents and local police stormed her home around 10 p.m. on March 5, looking for her son, Ashton. The officers presented a federal search warrant and seized the tenth-grader's computer, cell phone and bank statements.
    Well we know the government will make it appear in their best interest.
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    And where is the usually omnipresent ACLU?
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    Here is what we are facing. The commentary in the recently leaked and disclosed DHS issued paper that accused those opposed to illegal immigration, abortion, second amendment rights supporters, etc. as "right wing extremists," could make a way for tea party demonstrators and others to be considered potential enemies of the government. As the government gains more control over our lives, any speech against their take overs make be deemed harmful to a cohesive government.

    The fact that a person, in the United States of America, may be swept away at any time without any further contact with others or without the ability to have representation should scare us to death.

    Government out of control and we help to vote too many of the traitors to our freedom and to our protection back in to office.

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    Two thought cross my mind, most 10th graders / 14-15yr olds don't normally have a bank account and what is his religion?

    A "child" can be a terrorist. Children have made and detonated bombs. I know it sounds out there, but it has happened before.

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    Dixie : I have the same thoughts.

    Georgia Peach wrote:
    Here is what we are facing. The commentary in the recently leaked and disclosed DHS issued paper that accused those opposed to illegal immigration, abortion, second amendment rights supporters, etc. as "right wing extremists," could make a way for tea party demonstrators and others to be considered potential enemies of the government.
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    "We have no rights under the Patriot Act to even defend them, because the Patriot Act basically supersedes the Constitution," she told WRAL-TV. "It wasn't intended to drag your barely 16-year-old, 120-pound son out in the middle of the night on a charge that we can't even defend."

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    Dixie, I totally agree with your thoughts. My point was only that this can turn around on those who speak out on those things that were listed on the DHS extremist's list. I wondered about the bank account and the religion also, but we are not given that information. There may be real terrorist or other dangerous actions prevented, and we know how people use the media when their intentions are not necessarily good.

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    Oh GP I agree, we should always be on guard against unjust persecution.

    However, often mothers that created monsters are the first to defend them, some cover up the crimes and some children are born sociopaths and some mothers are in denial. This kid was right uner her nose on the Internet. There just may be a lot more to this story and all we are hearing is her side.

    I'm just being open minded about the child and what they are capable of at that age. I think about Columbine, Deerborne and the Beltway sniper attacks. They believe Jeffery Dahmer was killing by that age too.

    The kid is capable of doing what he has been accused of.

    The FBI convinced a federal judge of their suspicions since,
    the officers presented a federal search warrant and seized the tenth-grader's computer, cell phone and bank statements.
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    Dixie wrote:

    A "child" can be a terrorist. Children have made and detonated bombs. I know it sounds out there, but it has happened before.

    Dixie
    I don't think it "sounds out there" at all. I agree, the child could very well be guilty as charged..........we'll see.

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