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02-20-2018, 01:45 AM #11
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There is a difference between a gun used for target practice or hunting and one designed to kill a lot of people! Semi-automatics are certainly not for sport hunting. Where's the sport?
We have many tools for specific purposes, say explosives. Even if you are of age, you are only supposed to have them and use them for approved purpose. Semi-automatic and automatic weapons are generally reserved exclusively for military use, while you are on duty! So even though a child might go hunting, using a gun, other than pretending to be in the military, what would the purpose be in a child having a semi-automatic?
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02-20-2018, 01:52 AM #12
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That is the motivation for the Framers to not want the citizenry to be disarmed. Add to that the fact that the new U.S. had virtually no standing army to defend it.
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02-20-2018, 02:00 AM #13
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02-20-2018, 02:00 AM #14
No, it was for hunting and self-defense as well. The second amendment was to ensure no government authority could ever take away our individual liberty to use guns to feed and protect ourselves as well as to organize state militias to defend the states. 8 and 9 year olds fought in the war that founded this nation. So it's quite obvious what they said is what they meant, a right we need to this day. I have no interest in guns, but if there ever comes a day when I do, I want to walk out of my house, buy one and walk right back in with it, because THAT my friend is what my great-great-great-grandfather fought in that war to guarantee himself and his posterity.
And nothing has changed, not really, not at the end of the day. At least I don't see it.Last edited by Judy; 02-20-2018 at 02:21 AM.
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02-20-2018, 02:18 AM #15
Murder is against the law and has been since our country was founded. If someone is willing to break that law, you don't think they're going to figure out how to break a gun law? Murderers are not protected by taking away the rights of everyone else, they are actually enabled by it. Cruz has other guns, 10 more they're trying to locate. It doesn't matter what type of gun or other weapon he used. He walzed right in free as a bird, because he was the only dude with a gun. The VA Tech shooter used 2 handguns, and killed 32 people, almost twice as many as Cruz did.
If you let them in, people are going to die. You have to keep them out. It's almost the same issue as illegal immigration. People don't want to face the reality of defense and boots on the ground, they want a white collar desk job solution to a physical, logistical problem, which of course never solves the problem. The only time you solve a problem like mass shootings and illegal immigration is boots on the ground with guns.A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation - Ronald Reagan
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02-20-2018, 02:42 AM #16
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Correct! It is not being armed to go to war with any country, including our own. Self defense doesn't require bombs and cannons, unless you are a terrorist!
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02-20-2018, 03:01 AM #17
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And long before that!
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02-20-2018, 03:54 AM #18
So what is it you want? You want to ban guns and arms?? You think the Second Amendment is only there to guarantee your wife a little revolver in her purse? And that's after she goes through all the infringement of checks, history, suitability, interference, evaluations etc., etc., decided by the ..... FBI?
No thank you. I like the 2nd Amendment just the way it is. And to me gun control including background checks violate it. Gun control doesn't hurt killers, it hurts the people they kill.A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation - Ronald Reagan
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02-20-2018, 04:17 AM #19
Okay, guess I may as well weigh in on this. I'm in the camp that doesn't believe our civilian population needs to own weapons that hold 20 - 100 rounds of ammunition. No hunting weapon requires such a capacity.
Owning automatics is already illegal, so no comment necessary on that. As for semi-automatics. There are hunting situation, such as bird hunting (dove, duck, quail), where I prefer a semi-automatic shotgun. Of course some folks prefer the double-barrel or over/under shotguns for bird hunting. I have also used semi-automatic rifles to hunt deer, but I've never used one of the weapons that are classified as assault weapons. Personally, I prefer the bolt-action.
Some folks do use AR-15's for specific hunting situations. I personally know a guy that uses one in West Texas to kill hogs because he kills them in mass. They show up in groups of 20, 30 or more. and damage his crops, hay pastures, kill fawns, etc. The weapon carries the large ammunition capacity he desires to dispatch large numbers of hogs quickly (or so he tells me). However, that being said, I still don't think a semi-automatic weapon that holds 20 or more rounds should be made available to the average Joe. What other situation would a large ammo capacity weapon be used for? Well, so far they seem to be the weapon of choice for killing people.
No handgun I'm aware of holds more than 17 rounds (9mm with a large capacity double-stack magazine).
I'm pretty close to the line on this but guess I'll side with those that don't think the average citizen should own the large capacity assault rifles."The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" ** Edmund Burke**
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02-20-2018, 04:35 AM #20
I hope the NRA stays busy, busy, busy.
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