Thread: Evidence Obama not a natural born citizen

I think we should organize a massive letter writing and telephone call campaign to let the mainstream media and our Congress know we are on to this !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

Where do we go from here guys and gals? Please forward this video to everyone on your mailing list.


As for McCain:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm? ... d=1157621#

Why Senator John McCain Cannot Be President: Eleven Months and a Hundred Yards Short of Citizenship

Gabriel J. Chin
University of Arizona - James E. Rogers College of Law; University of Arizona - School of Public Administration and Policy


July 9, 2008

Arizona Legal Studies Discussion Paper No. 08-14


Abstract:
Senator McCain was born in 1936 in the Canal Zone to U.S. citizen parents. The Canal Zone was territory controlled by the United States, but it was not incorporated into the Union. As requested by Senator McCain's campaign, distinguished constitutional lawyers Laurence Tribe and Theodore Olson examined the law and issued a detailed opinion offering two reasons that Senator McCain was a natural born citizen. Neither is sound under current law. The Tribe-Olson Opinion suggests that the Canal Zone, then under exclusive U.S. jurisdiction, may have been covered by the Fourteenth Amendment's grant of citizenship to "all persons born . . . in the United States." However, in the Insular Cases, the Supreme Court held that "unincorporated territories" were not part of the United States for constitutional purposes. Accordingly, many decisions hold that persons born in unincorporated territories are not Fourteenth Amendment citizens. The Tribe-Olson Opinion also suggests that Senator McCain obtained citizenship by statute. However, the only statute in effect in 1936 did not cover the Canal Zone. Recognizing the gap, in 1937, Congress passed a citizenship law applicable only to the Canal Zone, granting Senator McCain citizenship, but eleven months too late for him to be a citizen at birth. Because Senator John McCain was not a citizen at birth, he is not a "natural born Citizen" and thus is not "eligible to the Office of President" under the Constitution.

This essay concludes by exploring how changes in constitutional law implied by the Tribe-Olson Opinion, such as limiting the Insular Cases and expanding judicial review of immigration and nationality laws passed by Congress, could make Senator McCain a citizen at birth and thus a natural born citizen.

Keywords: John McCain, Canal Zone, citizenship, naturalization, natural born citizen, president, presidential eligibility

JEL Classifications: K33

Working Paper Series
Date posted: July 11, 2008 ; Last revised: July 12, 2008
Suggested Citation
Chin, Gabriel J.,Why Senator John McCain Cannot Be President: Eleven Months and a Hundred Yards Short of Citizenship(July 9, 200. Arizona Legal Studies Discussion Paper No. 08-14
Available at SSRN: http://ssrn.com/abstract=1157621


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Not that I have any intention of voting for McCain, I need to point out something here.

The McCain link you put up says "The Tribe-Olson Opinion suggests that the Canal Zone, then under exclusive U.S. jurisdiction, may have been covered by the Fourteenth Amendment's grant of citizenship to "all persons born . . . in the United States."

Well the 14th Amendment says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Both of his parents were US citizens (under the jurisdiction of the US, having no foreign allegiances). They were in the Panama Canal Zone when he was born, which was under US control at the time. If this is somehow not acceptable, then what country would claim him as a natural-born citizen, and where is the original birth certificate of that country?

McCain has been declared a natural-born citizen after examination of his documents (that he provided without being sued in court) and medical records.

Again, I am not a McCain supporter, but this argument is done. It's been settled already.

Obama could settle his too, simply by supplying the public with a few basic documents.

PS Your title "Evidence Obama not a natural born citizen" is totally misleading.

I have a problem with Obama's lack of cooperation in providing a correct copy of his birth certificate. Also, he is not providing his college records which could be a result of some evidence on his applications that he was not born in the US. And I don't believe the attorney who has filed the lawsuits against Obama would be so dumb as to come out and call Obama a complete fraud if he didn't feel he had the evidence to prove it.

I don't like McCain either but I think anyone whose parents are in the military serving as US citizens are excluded from this sort of thing, aren't they? I mean, they have to go wherever they are ordered to go. Plus aren't the bases where they live considered US territory?

As far as Obama is concerned, that story is beginning to pick up some steam. If it is in fact true that he was born in a foreign country, what then? Obviously he can't run for president, but can you imagine the outrage? People may riot in the streets if he is prevented from running. And who could possibly replace him at such a late date? Wow, I just had a scary thought. There has been a lot of rumors on the internet lately about the possibility of Bush canceling the elections and calling for martial law. What better reason than having a popular candidate with historic implications, being forced to pull out of the race?? I shudder at the thought...

Originally Posted by chloe24

I don't like McCain either but I think anyone whose parents are in the military serving as US citizens are excluded from this sort of thing, aren't they? I mean, they have to go wherever they are ordered to go. Plus aren't the bases where they live considered US territory?

As far as Obama is concerned, that story is beginning to pick up some steam. If it is in fact true that he was born in a foreign country, what then? Obviously he can't run for president, but can you imagine the outrage? People may riot in the streets if he is prevented from running. And who could possibly replace him at such a late date? Wow, I just had a scary thought. There has been a lot of rumors on the internet lately about the possibility of Bush canceling the elections and calling for martial law. What better reason than having a popular candidate with historic implications, being forced to pull out of the race?? I shudder at the thought...

I don't think that people will riot, because no matter if you are a dem or repub fact is fact and that would make those people in the wrong. And even Obama himself would have to apologize to the people and the dems might be cut out of the race this year. Or they could replace him with clinton or biden But what do you think would happen if he got elected and then proved to be a fraud, that would be worse. But it is all speculation at this point.

I have heard talk about "minority" riots if Obama loses. It wouldn't surprise me if he were yanked from the race before the election (unlikely) and riots happened. It's being threatened anyway, if he loses.

We're being forced to vote for someone we don't want as president due to his socialism ... under threat of violence.