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Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic
well, you have to understand that it pays to have "paid opposition". You are right in your assesment in that the Black Communities are suffering the most from illegals.... YET- what is done by the black community - NOTHING! Even the Black Caucus sided with the Amnesty... WHY WHY WHY!!! Greed and fear and paid opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by corhanem
Do you realize that the "black leaders" care ONLY about public perception and popularity. If they went after the real culprits, then they would have to go against the La Raza's, but mostly - the BIG business... see, we 'white' people are 'expected' to hate.. and we are labeled as such... BUT, if the black community came out in opposition, the illegal immigratino problem would end immediately... Because then everyone wuold have to look at the 'real issues', the 'real cost'. the 'real problem' - but as it is now, us "racist white people" are lame and are xenophoic. .. we have to fight against the liberal whites who label us, the illegal supporters who label us and now the black community who sees us as the enemy...
Can you imagine if we took that 'race crutch' out from under them??? If black america got on board, the ilegal immigration would end rather fast.
Shit, WHOLE black communities are terrorized by illegals and their gangs.. NOTHING in the MEDIA!! NOTHING by popular black activists... they are all paid opposition..
O'Reilly's legal "babes" covered this story tonight. Both of them said he should be charged with a crime, but they both agreed that no jury would ever convict him of anything because he killed one of the robbers on his property and the jury would have sympathy for him.
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Originally Posted by Bren4824
Bren I was going by the audio with transcipt of it attending it in the news broadcast. NOW, I might not do what he did, but I do know, according to a lawyer on O'Reilly tonight that they ended up on his property as he said on the tape they were headed for his house.
I think the real issue for me is the Black Panthers come into this man's neighborhood to make a name for themselves and they got taught a lesson. Maybe if Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson got this treatment early on we wouldn't have to see them chasing cameras all the time either. For some reason the black community doesn't pick their victims very well. They choose anyone and anything to get their own faces in front of the camera.
I definitely agree with you.........The Black Panthers should NOT have showed up-----as they are turning this into a race issue----and there is NO evidence of this. There is no evidence that Mr. Horn would not have shot two men in the same manner if they were white, brown, purple, green, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogo
The Black Panthers should not have become involved-----as US citizens of all races/cultures/nationalities----- were already debating as to whether or not this was a justified shooting/killing------no matter what the color/race of the shooter and victims.
Yes, but the black citizens-----especially the poor and uneducated-----are being fed BS by Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton-----and a lot of others. Just like some white citizens are listening to the BS of people as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrightNail
Not all black citizens support Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, or the illegals!!!
Even the NAACP did not pull out of Kansas City after La Raza did-----due to the elderly woman council member being part of the Minuteman Organization.
Our elected officials and government are destroying this country. Do I think that there are closest racists-----heck yeah I do. However, I do not think that there are as many as they claim.
Where were all of these Texas citizens when the illegals were marching in the street demanding rights/benefits???
NO, they were not. Mr. Horn was in his house. He had already called the police and they were on their way. The 911 operator kept begging Mr. Horn not to go out there. Mr. Horn went out there to confront them!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ALIPAC
To me, the recording sounds like he went out there with clear intentions to shoot them. He said nothing to make it sound like he was shooting them because they were black. Mr. Horn might have shot them in the same manner if they were white, brown, green, or purple.
However, I don't think that a VCR is justification for shooting/killing two people.
Bren wrote:
Good question. I guess they won't show up for counter-protests until illegals start marching in their own neighborhoods. The "New Black Panthers" learned that lesson the hard way. :lol:Quote:
Where were all of these Texas citizens when the illegals were marching in the street demanding rights/benefits???
Yes, I agree. They came out in such force because it was smack tab in their community. I would not doubt for a second they would do the same if it was La Raza or Mecha. These folks look like the very people who would stand up against the invasion. For instance, those Harley Davidson dudes are exactly what you see at the anti-illegal rallies. The tone was patriotic. American flags, the chanting of "USA, USA, USA." Weren't the buglars immigrants? I'm not sure of their legal status, but we sure as hell should not be allowing criminals into this nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by SecureTheBorder
Did anyone hear Quanell X on Hannity and Holmes.
He said both men were killed by shots in the back!!!
How could they have been lunging at him----and he was in fear for his life----if they were clearly leaving as he shot both of them in the back.
Also, Sean Hannity was a total a$$ when interviewing Quanell X. He did not want to hear the other side at all!!!
8O I'm not sure if they were Hispanic or Black! Does anyone know?
all I knew is they were robbing someones house and got shot. I say maybe the next thief will think twice, before he breaks into anyones house in Texas....It sent a great message, sorry I just can not feel bad and I can not blame the police for not getting there faster, crime is running rampant in this country and not enough police officers to protect Americans.
Like you let a few thousand in to this country illegaly and before you know it you have 20 million. Sorry something has to be done to let criminals know Americans are fed up!!!
Under our irrational racial classification system in America they would be considered the non-sensical term "hispanic."Quote:
Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS
According to the link that Bren provided:Quote:
Police have not found the families of the dead men. One had identification indicating he was from Puerto Rico, the other had documentation indicating he may have been from Puerto Rico, Colombia or the Dominican Republic, Corbett said.
your right on it Dixie. according to the reports i have heard and read. the neighbor DID ask mr. horn to look after their house as they were leaving town for a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dixie
Bren having lived in houston, i know for a fact that Q is also a LIAR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bren4824
im sure said that to make mr horn look bad because i bet he DOES NOT know himself. even if they were tunning, and they come across his property. he does not know what these two will do and under teh castle doctrine in texas. you can shoot to kill anyone on your property who you consider to be a threat.
Sean knows more about the case than Q im sure.
Q is so racist that its not even funny and will do and say anything to make the black victim look good....
OH YEAH Q is also on record as saying he "does not have to follow the laws of the white man" But Q was arrested for selling crack cocaine to his own color. so be careful what ya hear and believe. hes a liar and has been for a long time....
We definately need to wait until all the details come out. Innocent until proven guilty, hopefully that still applies to citizens. Texas laws ARE different, just like San Francisco laws are different.
What this video shows is fed up Americans that aren't going to tolerate a special interest group exploiting their neighborhood and having a press conference.
So Hanitty is a crappy interviewer.
Who ever said he wasn't?
That doesn't make the dumb-ass he invited onto his show to spew his incoherent bilge any less of a dumb-ass.
I guarantee you that one of these days these make-believe black militants are going to bite off more than they can chew, and you can bet they'll be hollering for the "pigs" to come save their ass then.
they have found the families. the widos of BOTH MEN were with this joker quanell at the rally/protest on sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by kniggit
i heard on a local houston radio station that the two might be illegal, and both had long rap sheets. and are from the isnalds in caribbean
Thanks for all the info Dixie. As always, you kick a$$!!
Geez, you Texans are good shots ;)
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Originally Posted by corhanem
From their description and the last names, I am 90% sure that the men are Dominican.
If they are illegals the MSM will be silent about it.....unless they want to roll the dice and try to get sympathy for illegals out of this. I hope La Raza and Mecha make it into this Houston suburb....Or, how great would it be to see Geraldo or Rick Sanchez run out'a town to the tune of Harley's?Quote:
Originally Posted by LawEnforcer
With names that end in "z" they certainly aren't from Nevis or Trinidad, that's for sure.
Actually, Quanell X said nothing about racism. The only thing that he said, was that Mr. Horne was a vigilante-----and had no right to be prosecutor, judge, and executioner. Also, that both men were shot in the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shapka
Mr. Horne is a homeowner who was protecting HIS PROPERTY.
Malik Abdul Asshat, Kwanele X-prick and the rest of their merry brigade of black supremacist imbeciles are vigilantes. Very stupid, unintimidating vigilantes at that.
I have heard nothing about them being illegals. They really didn't have much of a previous record of any kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic
I heard the family members being briefly interviewed on Fox. They said the same thing----through tears----as the Black Panther guy-----that these guys were doing wrong and deserved to go to jail-----but Mr. Horne acted like a vigilante----being the prosecutor, judge, and executioner.
Nothing personal.........But, we are just going to have to agree to disagree about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shapka
You are right that the Black Panthers DEFINITELY should not have showed up in that community. Showing up at the courthouse to protest would have been okay, but not in the neighborhood to intimidate.
However, I cannot agree that these men should have been shot and killed in the manner that they were-----ESPECIALLY now hearing that they were both shot in the back-----which means that they were not lunging at him----as Mr. Horne claimed.
If you lived in Texas-----and your 18 year old kid and a bunch of his friends decided to break into someone's house to steal their nintendo------would you still support Mr. Horne's actions if your kid was shot and killed?? Sure, it is definitely true that they should not be stealing, but does that mean that they deserve to die over it???
Joe Horn was basically placing the criminals under a Citizens Arrest to await the cops. He told them not to move. They moved. He shot. Were these two criminals actually shot in the back, or were they shot in the chest and the bullets traveled thru to their backs? Unless I see a copy of the Coroner's report, I don't believe a WORD the MSM spews.
He was well within his rights to try to detain the criminals. Sometimes you have to make split second decisions and it seems this was one of those times.
Mr. Horn has already shown how upset this whole situation has made him too, being an ELDERLY citizen and all. His own remorse for having to do the right thing should be enough evidence to everyone that he wasn't looking to kill anyone.
This morning on Channel 11 news in Houston, it was reported that these 2 men had documents stating they were Puerto Rican. However, these documents were false and they were from Columbia. There is also a task force investigating this as it is believed they were part of a ring that was tafficking stolen arms and obtaining driver's licenses using false Puerto Rican paperwork.
Here is the story.
DPS was watching burglars shot by Horn
10:16 PM CST on Tuesday, December 4, 2007
By Rucks Russell / 11 News
Rucks Russell's 11 News report
Even before their deaths prompted a series of heated debates about the use of deadly force, detectives at the Department of Public Safety had their eye on Diego Ortiz and Miguel Dejesus.
The two were shot and killed by Joe Horn, a Pasadena man who thought they were burglarizing his neighbor’s home last month.
According to a DPS memo obtained by 11 News, the department was investigating the use of Puerto Rican birth certificates by Colombians seeking to obtain Texas driver’s licenses.
Both Ortiz and Dejesus had applied for licenses. Dejesus listed his country of origin as Puerto Rico, but both men were Colombian.
Apparently, the DPS is investigating hundreds of immigrants who may have used illegal papers to get Texas licenses.
But that’s not all.
A much wider probe has been launched into an organized syndicate of Colombians who are engaged in illegal weapons sales and home break-ins – just like the one Ortiz and Dejesus were involved in last month in Pasadena.
That day, Joe Horn and a shotgun stood in the way of the suspected thieves, but in many instances the suspects have gotten away.
The ATF, ICE and DPS have reportedly formed a task force to bring the crime wave to an end.
The burglars are said to be very effective at what they do, conducting extensive surveillance on their targets before striking. Some of the suspects are extremely violent.
The investigations have already led to several arrests.
http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/ ... 89aae.html
The REAL Dept. of Homeland Security is a well-armed citizenry.
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A. I don't have children.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bren4824
B. I don't live in Texas-the "location" I have listed under my avatar should have clued you in to that.
B. If I did live in Texas and had children, they wouldn't be cretinously dense mouth-breathers painfully stupid enough to go breaking and entering IN TEXAS! I'm not so sure about your offspring, on the other hand.
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Originally Posted by portaltotx
WELL, THERE WE HAVE IT. Even ICE, ATF, and DPS know about these guys. Good for Horn. He got rid of illegal gang members.
At the same time we had a black Deputy Constable murdered by 4 black teens and Quanell X didn't bother protesting that one. The Black Panthers is a terrorist group and should have been run out of this country years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by LawEnforcer
The guy should be deputized by the feds and give a lecture to all of the incompetent, bureaucratic paper-pushers in DHS.
I believe that it's legal to shoot someone in the back if they are trespassing on your property in Texas. You are allowed to kill someone over property, that's the law here. Some people don't like it, and that's fine, just don't live here. I'm not saying I would do that but I know some people who would. The point is, don't break into people's houses, especially in Texas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bren4824
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Originally Posted by TexasCowgirl
This is the first time I have seen Americans stand up to one of the 'ethnic advocacy groups' big time. That to me transcends everything else. The Black Panthers are the same as La Raza and MECHa. They specialize in playing the race card. I think the real message is that these Texans had simply had enough of it. I'm sick of it, too. I am sick of seeing criminals get away with all kinds of stuff because somebody pulls out the race card. The people who are most sick of this crap are the black citizens who have to live with these criminals. Where I live, they want them gone yesterday. They set up neighborhood patrols knowing it won't make any difference because Jesse Jackson will come swooping in and free any criminal they report. Hell, I am sick of criminals in general. And I am sick of being told that illegals are good for the country when it is painfully obvious they are not. I hope MALDEF decides to march thru their neighborhood next.
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Originally Posted by TexasCowgirl
This is very interesting. I live right here in Texas, but get all my news - mostly here - or my son tells me, so I'm behind times here.
While I don't know how I would act in this situation.
That doesn't mean that I don't think this man had a right to do what he did.
The idea that 'they were only breaking in and stealing things' therefore they shouldn't be shot is exactly what has caused such rampant thievery.There was a time in Texas, a thief knew there was a pretty good chance they would get blown away if they stole, or destroyed someone else' property. Heck, just being on someone's property, uninvited, was taking a chance. That's a pretty good deterrent.
As for young people getting shot, that would be a tragedy - and I would never say that my kids would never have done that - but it doesn't matter. Wrong is wrong and there are consequences - maybe it shouldn't be death - but then maybe they shouldn't be stealing.
Rather than talking about the degrees of crime or the punishment of it - we should begin - once again - to convince people to just do the right thing.