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    Pakistan's former PM Bhutto assassinated

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    RAWALPINDI, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistan's former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto was assassinated Thursday in the wake of a suicide bombing that killed at least 14 of her supporters, doctors, a spokesman for her party and other officials said.
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    Bhutto suffered bullet wounds in the aftermath of the bomb attack, TV networks were reporting.

    Police warned citizens to stay home as they expected rioting to break out in city streets as a shocked Pakistan absorbed the news of Bhutto's assassination.

    Video of the scene just moments before the explosion showed Bhutto stepping into a heavily-guarded vehicle to leave the rally.

    Bhutto was rushed to Rawalpindi General Hospital -- less than two miles from the bombing scene -- where doctors pronounced her dead. Video Watch aftermath of the attack. »

    Former Pakistan government spokesman Tariq Azim Khan said while it appeared Bhutto was shot, it was unclear if the bullet wounds to her head and neck were caused by a shooting or if it was shrapnel from the bomb. Video Watch Benazir Bhutto obituary. »

    The bomber detonated as he tried to enter the rally where thousands of people gathered to hear Bhutto speak, police said.

    The number of wounded was not immediately known. However, video of the scene showed ambulances lined up to take many to hospitals.
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    The attack came just hours after four supporters of Pakistan's former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif died when members of another political party opened fire on them at a rally near the Islamabad airport Thursday, Pakistan police said.

    Several other members of Sharif's party were wounded, police said.

    Bhutto was participating in the parliamentary election set for Jan. 8, hoping for a third term as prime minister.

    A terror attack targeting her motorcade in Karachi killed 136 people on the day she returned to Pakistan after eight years of self-imposed exile. Read about Bhutto's turbulent history.
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    CNN's Mohsin Naqvi, who was at the scene of both bombings, said Thursday's blast was not as powerful as that October attack.

    Thursday's attacks come less than two weeks after Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf lifted an emergency declaration he said was necessary to secure his country from terrorists

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    Pakistan is a lost cause. We should stop all aid and immigration from this dung-heap country. I don't want them here at all.
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    Beating and killing women is practically a tradition of islam -- especially when they have the nerve to become politically active. I noticed in the news footage her head scarf completely came off her head -- in public. I wonder if THAT had anything to do with it or if it was just icing on the cake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgt_shlitz
    Pakistan is a lost cause. We should stop all aid and immigration from this dung-heap country. I don't want them here at all.
    THe problem is, Pakistan has nukes AND is harboring AL-Qaida. No one can afford to ignore either of these problems much less BOTH of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgt_shlitz
    Pakistan is a lost cause. We should stop all aid and immigration from this dung-heap country. I don't want them here at all.

    Generalizations are obstacles to knowledge, understanding, and progress.

    Perhaps we should not aid them any longer, and not attempt to secure "buddies" in their government for our own power-hungry agendas. However, I don't think it just to call a country a "dung-heap" and dismiss it as though our country played no part in the fragmentation of Pakistan, or Iraq for that matter.

    I also think that a generalization of "islamofascist" negates any understanding or clarification of the differences between the radical groups who claim Islam to be their justification. Without clarification, those in the Muslim world who are not radicals find a harder time aligning with us to denounce and shun terrorism in different areas.

    I don't deny Sharia Law, but one must realize that there are different schools of thought on it (variation of interpretation), not ALL middle-eastern countries practice it and not ALL to the extreme measures of punishment. Some have "modernized", although it is true that there is a movement in some countries (Saudi Arabia included) to 'de-modernize' it. And ALL non-muslims are not ALWAYS subjected to the Sharia Law.

    Terrorism and terrorists are not a state or a country. They are geographically dispersed and decentralized. This type of 'war on terror' cannot be fought in a conventional way.

    There is a lot to learn here, and I am not claiming to be at all highly knowledgeable on all of these issues. I do understand the detriment of generalization, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeamerica
    Generalizations are obstacles to knowledge, understanding, and progress.

    Perhaps we should not aid them any longer, and not attempt to secure "buddies" in their government for our own power-hungry agendas. However, I don't think it just to call a country a "dung-heap" and dismiss it as though our country played no part in the fragmentation of Pakistan, or Iraq for that matter.

    I also think that a generalization of "islamofascist" negates any understanding or clarification of the differences between the radical groups who claim Islam to be their justification. Without clarification, those in the Muslim world who are not radicals find a harder time aligning with us to denounce and shun terrorism in different areas.

    I don't deny Sharia Law, but one must realize that there are different schools of thought on it (variation of interpretation), not ALL middle-eastern countries practice it and not ALL to the extreme measures of punishment. Some have "modernized", although it is true that there is a movement in some countries (Saudi Arabia included) to 'de-modernize' it. And ALL non-muslims are not ALWAYS subjected to the Sharia Law.

    Terrorism and terrorists are not a state or a country. They are geographically dispersed and decentralized. This type of 'war on terror' cannot be fought in a conventional way.

    There is a lot to learn here, and I am not claiming to be at all highly knowledgeable on all of these issues. I do understand the detriment of generalization, though.
    Your "generalizing" might be more accurately called lying. I want you to name ONE, SINGLE islamic country that doesn't implement some aspect of sharia law (incl. such fun-filled crimes as heresy and blasphemy) and/or public funding of islamic religious education.
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    Are you saying islamofacism doesn't exist? Are you trying to tell me that the deliberate, systematic oppression of people of other faiths in islamofacist theocracies is just a figment of everyone's imagination? Are you saying all islamic countries don't practice sharia law and impose it on everyone else regardless of their faith?
    My 'generalization' post was in reference to what you posted on another topic. (listed above) I was neither generalizing, nor lying. If you read my post accurately, you would see that I was pointing out a sweeping statement made about ALL 'middle-eastern countries'. As I said, I don't deny Sharia law, however it isn't until now that you are becoming more specific with what you are saying in terms of the degrees of sharia law being practiced.

    "Not all Muslim countries practice Sharia. In countries like Jordan in the Middle East and Mauritania and Morocco in North Africa, Islam pervades the culture and way of life of the citizens in areas such as education and dress, but not the legal codes. Turkey, another majority Muslim country, maintains a strict rule of secularism, or formal separation of government and religion, and turns away from Islamic law." -- Kristina Nwazota, Online NewsHour

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    My thoughts on this subject-starting at comment #15,

    http://www.alarmingnews.com/archives/006801.html

    and in reply to a friend's LJ entry,

    http://halosfan.livejournal.com/688684.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeamerica


    "Not all Muslim countries practice Sharia. In countries like Jordan in the Middle East and Mauritania and Morocco in North Africa, Islam pervades the culture and way of life of the citizens in areas such as education and dress, but not the legal codes. Turkey, another majority Muslim country, maintains a strict rule of secularism, or formal separation of government and religion, and turns away from Islamic law." -- Kristina Nwazota, Online NewsHour
    Of course, Turkey's islamic PR dept. wants us to believe their spin. They also want us to believe they didn't slaughter 2.5 MILLION Assyrian and Armenian Christians in the early 20th century. LOL. Are you telling me Christians AREN'T PERSECUTED IN TURKEY? http://www.persecution.org/suffering/co ... try=Turkey
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    Even supposedly "secular" countries, like Turkey and Jordan, have barbaric laws, e.g. giving leniency to men who participate or initiate honor killings, and countries like Egypt and Syria still incorporate sharia law into their legal code.

    Just ask a Malaysian or Egyptian Muslim how easy it is to convert.
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