Thread: Can a past of Islam change the path to president for Obama?

An update on the DNC Imam ( I thought he looked familiar.....I've had occasion to see this man several times when I was in Dearborn).

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24273

Friday, February 02, 2007
DNC Meeting Opened by Terror Supporter

The convocation for the Democratic National Committee’s winter meeting was delivered today by Shi’ite Imam Husham Al-Husainy, of the Karbalaa Islamic Education Center in Dearborn, Michigan, and it’s amazing what this spiritual leader managed to get away with saying, in front of America’s Democrat leadership: Video: Imam prays to stop ‘oppression and occupation’ at DNC meeting.

In the name of God the most merciful, the most compassionate. We thank you, God, to bless us among your creations. We thank you, God, to make us as a great nation. We thank you God, to send us your messages through our father Abraham and Moses and Jesus and Mohammed. Through you, God, we unite. So guide us to the right path. The path of the people you bless, not the path of the people you doom. Help us God to liberate and fill this earth with justice and peace and love and equality. And help us to stop the war and violence, and oppression and occupation. Ameen.

“Not the path of the people you doom?”

No one in attendance thought this was a bit ... odd?

Robert Spencer has a good post showing that this statement is right in line with Islamic doctrine.

And Debbie Schlussel has much more information on Imam Al-Husainy. The religious figure chosen by the Democrats to open their meeting is a supporter of Hizballah, Hamas, the Ayatollah Khomeini, and Yasser Arafat.

Which shouldn’t surprise anyone.

And the link to Schlussel's related post:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...who_cheer.html

Guess Who Cheered Saddam's Hanging?: Meet Moqtada's American Insurgents


By Debbie Schlussel

By now, you've heard about the cheers for Shi'ite extremist Moqtada Al-Sadr at Saddam Hussein's hanging, last Friday.

But you probably haven't heard that many of those Arab-Americans dancing in the streets of Dearborn, Michigan are extremist Shi'ite supporters of the murderous Al-Sadr, too. They fervently support Hezbollah and HAMAS, too.

There's a reason food was reportedly half off, that night, at La Shish--the restaurant chain owned by fugitive Hezbollah financier and federal indictee Talal Chahine.

Yes, Saddam Hussein was an evil, mass-murdering terrorist leader. He deserved what he got. But the group of radical Muslims dancing on his grave should disturb us. And many of them are on our soil.
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Extremism Goes Mainstream: Shi'ite American Imam Husham Al-Husainy

Meet Husham Al-Husainy. In Iraq, he was an aircraft engineer. But in America, he's an extremist cleric and disciple of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who enjoys huge mainstream support.

Imam Al-Husainy organized the "spontaneous," "impromptu" rally, Friday Night, and was featured in most national and international press reports about the celebrating Iraqi-Americans.

Al-Husainy heads one of Dearborn's three largest Shi'ite mosques, the Karbalaa Islamic Education Center mosque. The mosque is also among the largest is North America. And he enjoys prominence in the media as a respected Islamic authority.

Hussainy was one of the imams shown in photographs around the world being hugged by President Bush after we invaded Iraq, and he was invited to the Pentagon to confer with top officials.

But make no mistake. Imam Al-Husainy is no moderate. He was an advisor to the late Mohammed Bakr Al-Hakim, leader of the Iran-backed Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution. He's allied with the mainstream of Iraq's Shia Islam, which is terrorizing and driving out the few Christians left there.

Friday Night, Associated Press quoted Al-Husainy's teenage son, Ali Al-Najjar:

This is the first time I've seen my dad this happy.

But I've seen him this happy on several occasions.

This past summer, Al-Husainy seemed very happy leading almost-daily protests of thousands of Hezbollah supporters on the streets of Dearborn and Detroit, swarming with swastikas and anti-Semitic, anti-American signs.

Later, I watched him very much enjoy himself at an anti-Semitic rally of 3,000 Hezbollah supporters at Dearborn's Bint Jebail Cultural Center. He was among several who delivered hate-filled, anti-American rhetoric. I watched him cheer others on when they called for the hastened destruction of the Jews and when they said Americans are "diseased."

After the event, he seemed very happy when he put his arms around Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's favorite rabbi, Yisroel Dovid Weiss of the Neturei Kartah, who attended the recent Holocaust-denial conference. "We make a great team," he said of Weiss, who was flown into Detroit for the Hezbollah rallies.

Husainy seemed very happy in August 2004 when he led anti-Bush, anti-American rallies on the streets of Dearborn, which gave aid and comfort to the enemy in Iraq, at a time when Al-Sadr's terrorist thugs, the Mehdi Army, were actively making life tough for American soldiers, as they are, again, now. (The Mehdi Army recently kidnapped an Iraqi-American soldier.)

Imam Husainy was also in great spirits when he led a number of pro-HAMAS and pro-Arafat rallies in the area. Yes, Shi'ites who hate Sunnis to death in Iraq, love Sunnis in Israel when they're killing the Jews. In late 2004, he seemed thrilled to lead a rally on the streets of Dearborn, commemorating Arafat's death. He and his followers held signs featuring enlarged photos of Khomeini at the rally.

Husainy was very happy to attack American soldiers in an interview:

I heard that many soldiers are running away or committing suicide or getting psychological treatment. I'm not surprised. . . . They act like an occupation force . . . . Iraqis don't see the soldiers as friends.

In the same interview, he was very happy to engage in bizarre anti-American, anti-Israel conspiracy theories and rhetoric:

Saddam . . . he handed Iraq to the coalition. I believe he is an agent of America. . . . Saddam created a bunch of gangs who have no faith . . . . We also think some outsiders, with some Iraqis, and, by the way, I don't want to exclude the Zionists. I think some extremists from the Mossad came in and took a chance to have some revenge, because we don't know who killed [Imam Mohammed Bakr] Al-Hakim or Sergio Vieira De Mello, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.

Imam Al-Husainy and other Shi'ite leaders in Dearborn are not just followers of Khomeini, they are supporters of Moqtada Al-Sadr and proteges of his late uncle, Imam Mohammed Bakr Al-Sadr--who was murdered by Saddam Hussein. Every year, the Al-Sadr Foundation holds a fundraising banquet in Dearborn. Does any Foundation money go to fund the Mehdi Army?

A brochure announcing the 2005 event, quotes Bakr Al-Sadr's Islamo-supremacist worldview with approval. It encompasses the separatist view the Shi'ites here in America, who produced the brochure, embrace:

One can either love Allah or love the world. But both the loves cannot be contained in one heart. Let us examine our hearts to see whether the love of Allah or the love of this world prevails over them. If the love of Allah prevails over our hearts, let us make it deeper. If, Allah forbid, the love of this world prevails, let us try to save ourselves from this dreadful malady.

The brochure also quotes Sadr on Khomeini:

The only thing I have sought in my life is to make the establishment of an Islamic government on earth possible. Since it has been formed in Iran under the leadership of Imam Khomeini, it makes no difference to me whether I am alive or dead because the dream I wanted to attain and hope I wanted to achieve have [sic] come true, thanks to Allah.

Remember, this is the same Khomeini who took Americans hostage for 444 days in Tehran. And few Shi'ites disapproved.

America's Shi'ite enemies are not just in Sadr City or Central Beirut and Southern Lebanon. They are in America's own Little Sadr City--East Dearborn, where they danced on the streets after Saddam Hussein's execution.

Proving the old adage wrong. The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.

Sometimes, he's just our enemy. And, unfortunately, he's living on American soil with permanent citizenship. And a lot of easily-incited followers.

Posted by Debbie at January 4, 2007 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by dyehard39

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

Muslim Law supercedes ALL law - ex: Muslim countries are ruled by the Koran - Mohammed's teachings and not the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law is what separates the West from all else.
For Islam, it's the Rule of Mohammed's Law. There is a huge difference.

The Koran - Muslim Law-- is the direct opposite of Democracy and especially Representative Government.

They are not compatible, cannot be compatible.

It is also the law of the country you are in. Egypt, Indonesia, Pakistan and many other countries practice Islam differently, altho they use the same Koran.
The above is the exact reason we should not be in Iraq trying to force democracy on them. It will never work because of that reason.

The "law of the country" - an Islamic country - is ruled by the kuran precisely BECAUSE they are muslim and NOT because they are following a "rule of law."

Islam does NOT follow our RULE OF LAW. It will NOT follow our RULE OF LAW.

Im other words, if a muslim holds an AMERICAN ELECTED OFFICE, the muslim is by virtue of his 'religion' bound by the kuran to only follow and obey the LAW OF Mohammed- THE KURAN. Therefore, by virtue of a muslim's "allegience" to the Kuran, they can clearly never, ever have allegience to the U.S. Constitution.

Might I add that, fundamental Christians don't go around building bombs to kill the infidel. They don't go around CUTTING HEADS OFF the Jews, Buddists or even the muslims. They don't jump on planes and turn them into missles in God's Name. They may pray for some destruction, they may march outside of an abortion clinic, but unless you'll use the one clearly insane example, that's the extent of their activity.

Have you had the opportunity to live within any of the islamic unique & oppressive societies?

"Where there is ignorance, there is often fear, even though the vast majority of Muslims in America are interested in being good neighbors, enjoying the freedoms our Cohntstitution provides, and being helpful contributors to American society. many Americans unfortunately equate being Arab or Muslim with an inclination toward violence and terrorism, and they are deeply concerned about the growth of Islam and the teaching of the Koran in the United States and the spread of ideas that come out of the Koran."

qoute;
"Understanding the Koran;
Mateen Elass

There are many muslims attempting to shmooze the infidel into misunderstanding the Kuran. CAIR, for example, has worked for years to disarm the American public and confuse the truth. They have been caught in one lie after the other.

I do believe that by American muslims muzzling themselves after 9/11 and refusing to CONDEM the insane actions of violence around the world, it speaks volumes even to those who don't have experience with this particular group of people and their belief system.

We have a choice here......RULE OF LAW or RULE OF mohammed's LAW

Can't have it both ways when you're a muslim. That's simply a fact.

BTW, one needs only to look at England or PFrance to see the truth.

Once the muslims have created a majority in a specific area - they are now DEMANDING those areas become ruled by SHARIA LAW.

Law enforcement in those countries have now given up attempting to apply their respective laws within those communities. These countries have, in essence, given up.

Ain't that a kick in the pants.

Originally Posted by dyehard39

"Where there is ignorance, there is often fear, even though the vast majority of Muslims in America are interested in being good neighbors, enjoying the freedoms our Cohntstitution provides, and being helpful contributors to American society. many Americans unfortunately equate being Arab or Muslim with an inclination toward violence and terrorism, and they are deeply concerned about the growth of Islam and the teaching of the Koran in the United States and the spread of ideas that come out of the Koran."

qoute;
"Understanding the Koran;
Mateen Elass

Thanks for that quote. Should we now sit down and watch some Leni Riefenstahl films to determine whether National Socialism was good or bad?

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

There are many muslims attempting to shmooze the infidel into misunderstanding the Kuran. CAIR, for example, has worked for years to disarm the American public and confuse the truth. They have been caught in one lie after the other.

I do believe that by American muslims muzzling themselves after 9/11 and refusing to CONDEM the insane actions of violence around the world, it speaks volumes even to those who don't have experience with this particular group of people and their belief system.

American Muslims do condemn radical Muslim violence.



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By Jamie Glazov
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Bahraini Liberal Author Dhiyaa Al-Musawi: We Hang Our Thinkers on the Gallows of Ideology
By MEMRI
January 25, 2007

Arabs vs. Holocaust Denial
By MEMRI
January 16, 2007

Tunisian Reformist Meddeb: It's Up to the Arab to Take the Courageous Step of Questioning His Faith
By Nathalie Szerman
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Somali Journalist on the Union of Islamic Courts: 'The Nightmare is Over'
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Lafif Lakhdar: A European Muslim Reformist
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Iranian Satirist Responds to Iranian President's Letter to the American People
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Syrian Poet: 'We, in Arab Society, Do Not Understand the Meaning of Freedom'
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Censorship and Persecution in the Name of Islam: A Tunisian Weekly Counts the Ways
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Dr. Kamal Nait-Zerrad: 'After Christianity and the Inquisition...Today It Is the Muslims...'
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Egyptian Blogger Arrested for Criticizing Al-Azhar Sheikhs
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America: Muslims' Heaven on Earth
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"Islam Must Be Criticized, Just as Christianity Was [Criticized] During the Enlightenment"
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November 21, 2006

Bush Empowering Terrorists, Charges Vocal Muslim Critic
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Muslim American Journalist: Millions of Proud American Muslims Oppose Al-Qaeda
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Islamist Sheikh Abu Osama Al-'Iraqi Denounces Al-Qaeda in Iraq for Atrocities against Sunnis
By MEMRI
October 31, 2006

Harsh Internal Criticism in the Palestinian Press
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Cracks in Arab Unity
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What Drives Jihad?
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The Plea of a Genuine Muslim Moderate
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Survivor of Jihad Issues Challenge to Muslim-Americans
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Egyptian Reformist Renews Attack on Muslim Brotherhood Despite Death Threats
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Lebanese Shi'ite Mufti Harshly Criticizes Hizbullah for Its Conduct in the Recent Conflict
By MEMRI
September 22, 2006

Editor of Kuwaiti Daily Warns Ahmadinejad: 'Arrogance is a Very Dangerous Disease'
By MEMRI
September 20, 2006

Somali Journalist: The Islamists Want to Arabize Somalia and Turn it Into an Islamic Emirate
By MEMRI
September 15, 2006

Editor of Kuwaiti Daily: 'Fighting Terrorism Should Not Be the Concern of Only the U.S.'
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Scathing Self-Criticism by the Hamas Government Spokesman
By MEMRI
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Tunisian Reformist Intellectual: Al-Jazeera TV - A Mouthpiece of the Muslim Brotherhood
By MEMRI
August 24, 2006

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Thank You, Hezbollah
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Libyan Reformist Author in Essays Critical of Hizbullah
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Saudi Council Member: According to Shari'a, Hizbullah Operations Are Illegitimate
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Lebanese Website Blames Hizbullah for Qana Deaths
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Lebanese Blame Hezbollah
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Sa'd Al-Din Ibrahim on Mubarak's Attempt to Stifle Egypt's Civil Society
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Lafif Lakhdar: Religion Within the Limits of Reason
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the vast majority of Muslims in America are interested in being good neighbors

Dyehard, where is your evidence of this? Have you been to the middle east? Why aren't these amazing Muslims in an uproar over the terrorism that is happening all around the world? Silence means that they are in agreement with the devastation. I feel bad for you that you can be fooled, but we are doing the best that we can to protect you. Fox News Channel/E.D. Hill has a special on tonight about terrorism. Check it out and let me know how you feel about these fine people after you hear the truth.

Dyehard39 you've been on this forum longer than I and obviously made a lot of contributions. It seems obvious to me to you feel a personal stake in this subject. And you cited some good examples of Muslims who speak out against violence. I watch Memri regularly and I'll watch every example you cited. Some that you mentioned are no longer Muslim and they speak out against Islam altogether. Walid Shoebat is one example. But that is neither here nor there.

You've earned yourself a level of respect here; you carry a Titan category. So I want to give you the respect you've earned. I have posted my interest in this which is basically the quandry of how can we recognize a "peaceful Muslim" vs one who wants to do us harm? I came from a community with a high population of Muslims. On the day of 9/11 I stood in front of the TV with a Muslim friend of mine (who is still my friend and I still trust but I must say now she is the only Muslim I can surely say that about). She stood there with tears streaming down her cheeks watching people jump from the Trade Towers crying "Oh, those poor, poor people!!!" While across the room I saw 2 young Muslim men speaking in arabic and laughing while they watched us. My friend saw them and cast them a look of disgust; then they left. That moment has stayed with me and bred this conflict in me. Another that I thought I respected has since been discovered to be a Hizbollah supporter. And more are discovered all the time. I know no other way to recognize a peaceful Muslim other than if they stand up and speak out. If you do, I sure wish you'd share it.

What is it that you really feel on this subject? How does it affect you directly?

I reviewed the list of articles above and am curious as to how dyehard thought these constituted a rebuttal to the comment made by 2ndamendsis. It is impossible to take them article by article, but the gist of these articles is that they represent Arabs or Muslims criticising other Muslims, but as a whole the complaints aren't about violence perpetrated against the West as such, but rather may be summed up with this quote, taken from an Arabic reporter who was critical of the Holocausr denial conference hosted by Tehran (excerpted from the MEMRI article, Arabs vs. Holocaust Denial):

He also caused severe damage to the Muslims by creating a political-cultural climate in which feelings of hate drown out the Muslims' noble and humane sentiments.

See, the complaint is less about the nature of the action but rather its deleterious effect on the perception of Muslims.

Another of the articles (Islamist Sheikh Abu Osama Al-'Iraqi Denounces Al-Qaeda in Iraq for Atrocities against Sunnis) is about infighting between Islamists. while the Koran decries violence between Muslims, it tacitly promotes violence as a tool of conquest against the infidel.

In short, it appears that the reason that only article titles were provided is that these articles are not what they are purported to be, meaning that 2ndamendsis' claim that, by and large, Muslims refuse to denounce acts of violence against Westerners or other "infidels" has not been rebutted.