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    A lot of people have the same idea. Crossing the water to NJ only helps a little bit. Hoboken is a nice town but not cheap to live there. Long Island used to be nice but surely you have read of the ms-13 gang members by the thousands there now thanks to obama. Not all of Long Island but once again a lot of people want to be in NY - the wages are higher than elsewhere, the arts are there, Wall st, fashion businesses, etc.

    Some people choose the Connecticut route via commuter train or along the Hudson River, north of NYC, is very nice but the closer to NYC, the more expensive. NY state overall is very expensive and NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.

    A lot of areas in NJ close to NYC are age old industrial pollution dumps from industries w/o enough regulations. NJ has many sites that need to be cleaned up. The taxpayers get stuck with the bill - if gov christie decides to actually use the money allotted for that and not use it for something else. Some people like Easton Pa with NYC @ an hour away but you are in fracking land, once pristine forests, waters in PA and pretty much rural all about.

    Count on paying at least $60 to park you car while you take in a play. And every bridge, tunnel is jammed day and night.
    Hmm, I'm gonna have to digest this post. I'm going to research everything you said here. Thanks for all this info artist. This is going to help me a great deal in my research. And if what you say about ms-13 is true, hopefully Trump will get them the hell out of there by the time I get out that way. Thanks again. I'll be back to tell you what I found in my research and maybe ask for some suggestions on my findings.

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    This goes with the Maryland crab story too as Long Island once produced half of the nations shellfish into the '70s but overpopulation, poor planing/upgrading of infrastructure took its toll big time. Long Island also has the highest breast cancer rate due to the constant spraying DDT for mosquitos. No warning to the people, kids would run behind the spraying trucks. Dow made a lot of money. The recent trump announcement to remove the Clean Water Act is so wrong.
    We have a lot of other things to do with our monies rather than bringing in refugees and illegals to get everything for free and reproduce offspring for free while they contribute to sewer problems.

    Easton Pa is worth looking into. Or if you can afford more, Hudson River Valley north of NYC is very nice

    ‘Dead Rivers, Closed Beaches’: A Water Crisis on Long Island

    By LISA W. FODERAROMAY 8, 2017




    A Suffolk County initiative targets East Islip and other municipalities along Long Island’s South Shore for efforts to improve water quality. Credit Johnny Milano for The New York Times
    OAKDALE, N.Y. — The Great South Bay, flanked by Fire Island and the South Shore of Long Island, once produced half the shellfish consumed in the United States, and supported 6,000 jobs in the early 1970s.

    Since then, the health of the bay has declined. Housing development meant more septic tanks depositing more nitrogen in the ground. The nitrogen flowed to rivers and the Great South Bay, leading to algae blooms. It depleted salt marshes that serve as fish habitat and suppressed oxygen levels.

    One result is that the shellfish industry has all but collapsed. The annual harvest of hard clams, for example, has fallen more than 90 percent since 1980.

    After sweeping legislation that Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo signed in April, Suffolk County and other local governments in New York are hoping to deal with their aging — or absent — sewer lines, drinking water systems and other water infrastructure. The law, the Clean Water Infrastructure Act, allocates $2.5 billion to a variety of projects, as concerns about the safety of drinking water are growing.

    Across the United States, impressive gains in water quality were made in the decades after passage of the Clean Water Act of 1972. But courts have generally ruled that the federal law was designed to address surface water contamination, and are divided about its application to tainted groundwater. As a result, problems from industrial pollution and untreated sewage have persisted.

    The water quality problem is acute in Suffolk County. With 360,000 septic systems, Suffolk has roughly the same number as all of New Jersey. For years, nitrogen from leaky septic tanks has seeped into groundwater and eventually into rivers and bays.
    “What we have been doing for decades is just managing the decline of water quality,” said Steven Bellone, the Suffolk County executive. “Every water body is listed as impaired. We have dead rivers, closed beaches, harmful algal blooms.”


    Richard Remmer runs the Snapper Inn on the Connetquot River in Oakdale, N.Y. “Thirty years ago, all of our clams came from the bay,” he said. “Today, it’s zero.” Credit Johnny Milano for The New York Times Before signing the law on Long Island in late April, Mr. Cuomo noted that a quarter of New York’s 610 sewage treatment plants were operating past their useful life.
    “We’re living off the legacy not of our parents but of our grandparents,” he said.
    The new state act, which spans five years, will among other things provide $1.5 billion in grants for water infrastructure improvements, $75 million in rebates to help homeowners replace septic systems and $110 million to protect land in watersheds. The money significantly expands a similar state infrastructure fund that over the last few years made $400 million available to communities.

    In addition to the new water infrastructure financing, the state budget allotted $40 million to build two sewer systems in business districts on the North Shore in Suffolk County. And there was $5 million for Suffolk County and the Center for Clean Water Technology at Stony Brook University to develop new methods of removing contaminants from drinking water.

    While it was one of the more significant investments to emerge from the state budget, some say it should be viewed as a down payment. Steve Englebright, a state assemblyman who heads the Environmental Conservation Committee, has said $80 billion to $100 billion is required to address the state’s aging water infrastructure.

    On Long Island, which is already grappling with hazardous waste at scores of active Superfund sites, the geology poses special challenges. With scant wastewater treatment, Suffolk County sits atop an aquifer that provides virtually all of its drinking water, and the sandy soil allows nitrogen to seep into it.

    Nassau County, just west of Suffolk, has many more homes using sewers than Suffolk, where 75 percent of the population relies on septic systems. The main reason that a county as populous as Suffolk has remained on septic systems, county officials say, is the legacy of the last attempt at installing a system — the infamous Southwest Sewer District.

    The sewer system, covering parts of the towns of Islip and Babylon, was eventually built. But the project, which started coming on line in 1981, became so mired in corruption, delays and cost overruns that it spooked future elected officials.

    “It was the biggest scandal in the county’s history,” Mr. Bellone said. “The appetite politically to do anything on this issue was nonexistent after that. It effectively killed sewering here for decades.”
    Suffolk County is eager to catch up to Nassau on wastewater treatment, but officials say new sewer systems are prohibitively expensive. One project on the drawing board, for instance, will cover about 8,200 parcels bordering four rivers that feed into the Great South Bay. The price tag is $383 million.
    Instead, the county’s strategy is to coax homeowners to replace antiquated septic tanks with high-tech “denitrification systems” — small units that cost more than older septic systems but remove most of the nitrogen from wastewater. Mr. Bellone said Suffolk hoped to tap the new state fund to help property owners acquire the systems.

    Suffolk officials have laid the groundwork for the new type of individual systems, which cost $15,000 to $20,000. Using a lottery, the county offered 19 homeowners free units and studied their performance. Officials have also written new regulations to allow the technology and provided training to contractors.
    When the water infrastructure law was enacted, Suffolk was set to start a denitrification pilot program. The idea was to make grants and low-interest loans available to 400 homeowners whose properties are in sensitive areas. Mr. Bellone now sees the potential to “bump up the pilot even further,” to perhaps 5,000 homes.
    The challenge, however, is persuading homeowners to replace their septic tanks.
    “The problem with an old system is that unless it’s manifesting itself in some physical fashion, with waste bubbling to the surface, most people don’t know their system is failing,” Mr. Bellone said.
    Nitrogen is more harmful to coastal ecosystems than to sources of drinking water. According to Christopher Gobler, a professor in the School of Marine and Atmospheric Sciences at Stony Brook University, the federal standard for drinking water is 10 milligrams per liter, but anything above one milligram per liter will have an impact on coastal waters. In Suffolk County, the average concentration of nitrogen in groundwater is four milligrams per liter, he said.

    Dr. Gobler, a co-director of the Center for Clean Water Technology, said septic tanks, and even more primitive cesspools, had no mechanism for removing nitrogen.
    “When it’s working perfectly, it’s perfectly transferring the nitrogen to the groundwater, and that nitrogen triggers a series of events in the bay,” explained Dr. Gobler, whose center is developing new passive systems to remove nitrogen.
    Richard Remmer is the third generation of his family to own the Snapper Inn, a restaurant in the hamlet of Oakdale on a bank of the Connetquot River in Islip. “Thirty years ago, all of our clams came from the bay,” he said. “Today, it’s zero.”
    Like other residents near the bay in Islip, Mr. Remmer is desperate for a sewer system. The water table is so high here, he said, that some septic systems sit in water, and residents must choose between showering or doing laundry because drainage is so poor.
    Suffolk has hired an engineering firm to design a sewer line that would run beneath Montauk Highway, serving a few of Islip’s hamlets, from Oakdale to Sayville.
    Peter Scully, a deputy county executive and Suffolk’s water czar, said that the sewer trunk alone would run to $45 million, and that connections to several thousand houses could reach $450 million. But given the high water table, sewers make more sense than individual systems, he said.
    The project, as yet unfunded, could benefit from the new state financing. “We’ll be looking to get every dollar we can out of the $2.5 billion,” Mr. Scully said.
    Ultimately, officials say, Suffolk County needs recurring revenue to subsidize new sewers and individual denitrification units, whether a surcharge on water bills or some other tax. The new state money is significant, Mr. Bellone said, but not sufficient, given the needs across the state’s 62 counties.
    “Over the next 20 years, I’d like to see that we’ve resolved this crisis,” he said. “It’s taken decades to get here, but I think from where I sit today, we can solve this in one generation.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/08/nyregion/dead-rivers-closed-beaches-an-acute-water-crisis-on-long-island.html

    https://patch.com/new-york/commack/c...-water-samples
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    Quote Originally Posted by artist View Post
    Easton Pa is worth looking into. Or if you can afford more, Hudson River Valley north of NYC is very nice
    Thanks for the extra info artist. I'm definitely going to look into these two areas. Thanks again. I really appreciate your time in helping me with this information. What do you know about Staten Island?
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    Staten Island, know not too much other than considered blue collar. Recall a story of it once being a dumping ground for NYC waste and like the southern NJ areas that were once orchards, is inundated with residues from prior waste or pesticides. Anyone that thinks industries do not need regulations are ignorant of the effects of recklessness for profits.

    There was a story of Staten Island once being the place to house the insane with many stories of some still in the woods and children being abducted etc. If I find it will post. Once again check Craigslist, select an area, select jobs, select housing - and be aware of scams.

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