Thread: Is It Cold Where You Are?

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

CrocketsGhost,
You must sell Avon, Tupperware or shoes door to door

No, as a matter of fact, I'm not a salesman. If I was, Dallas to Munich would be a pretty big sales territory!

U.N. Report: Global Warming Man-Made, Basically UnstoppableFriday, February 02, 2007
PARIS — Scientists from 113 countries issued a landmark report Friday saying they have little doubt global warming is caused by man, and predicting that hotter temperatures and rises in sea level will "continue for centuries" no matter how much humans control their pollution.
A top U.S. government scientist, Susan Solomon, said "there can be no question that the increase in greenhouse gases are dominated by human activities."Environmental campaigners urged the United States and other industrial nations to significantly cut their emissions of greenhouse gases in response to the long-awaited report by Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
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World Scientists Meet on Global Warming World scientists meet to finish up long-awaited global warming report
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(AP) The planet's temperature is rising, sea levels threaten to swallow coastlines and the world's residents want to know how much to be afraid. An authoritative answer comes this week.

Some 500 scientists and officials convened in Paris on Monday for a week of word-by-word editing of a long-awaited report on how fast the world is warming, how serious it is- and how much is the fault of humans.

The report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, to be released Friday, could influence what governments and businesses do to fight global warming. It will be watched closely in the U.S., whose government stands accused by many around the world of playing down the peril.

Scientists are keeping quiet about the report's contents, but say it is both more specific and more sweeping than previous efforts to chart hotter summers, snowless ski seasons and breakaway ice sheets and what they mean for the Earth's future.
"At no time in the past has there been a greater global appetite" for reliable information on global warming, the panel's chairman, climatologist Rajendra Pachauri of India, told the conference.

The report is expected to warn of continued temperature rises through the century and reiterate that people-created pollution is partly to blame.

But debate may arise at the closed-door meetings over how much sea levels are rising.

Early drafts of the paper foresaw smaller sea level rises than the last report, in 2001. But many top scientists reject the new figures, saying they are not new enough: They do not include the recent melt-off of big ice sheets in two crucial locations _ Greenland and Antarctica.Many fear this melt-off will mean the world's coasts will be swamped much earlier than previously thought. Others believe the ice melt is temporary and won't play such a dramatic role.

In the past, the panel did not expect a large melt of ice in west Antarctica and Greenland this century. Their forecasts were based only on how much the sea level would rise because of melting glaciers, which are different from ice sheets, and the physical expansion of water as it warms.

During the meetings, science and politics will converge as climate experts work with diplomats to finalize the wording of the panel's report, the first of four major documents on global warming it is scheduled to release this year.

This week's meetings are not addressing how to tackle global warming. That will be the subject of one of the panel's other reports later this year.

"We're hoping that it will convince people that climate change is real and that we have a responsibility for much of it, and that we really do have to make changes in how we live," said Kenneth Denman, one of the report's authors.

The panel, created by the United Nations in 1988, releases its assessments every five to six years _ although scientists have been observing climate warming since as far back as the 1960s.

While critics call the panel overly alarmist, it is by nature cautious because it relies on input from hundreds of scientists, including skeptics and industry researchers. And its reports must be unanimous, approved by 154 governments _ including the United States and oil-rich countries such as Saudi Arabia.
Pachauri said the report would make "significant advances" over the 2001 report, addressing gaps in that document, reducing uncertainties and adding new knowledge about past changes in climate.

As the panel meets, awareness of the consequences of climate change is growing.

Last week, President Bush referred to global warming as an established fact, after years of arguing that not enough was known about its causes to do anything about it.
Indonesia's environment minister warned Monday that rising sea levels could inundate some 2,000 of his country's more than 18,000 islands by 2030.

And new data released Monday by the U.N. Environment Program said 30 reference glaciers lost about 2.2 feet in thickness on average in 2005, for a total loss of 34.6 feet on average since 1980.

Activists want to ensure that consumers and governments don't sit and wait for the world to get warmer.

Just a few hundred yards from the conference at UNESCO headquarters, Greenpeace activists strung a banner across the Eiffel Tower to urge swifter action against global warming, reading "It's Not Too Late."

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Report links global warming to humans
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PARIS, France (AP) -- The world's leading climate scientists, in their most powerful language ever used on the issue, said global warming is "very likely" man-made, according to a new report obtained Friday by The Associated Press.
2. The report provides what may be cold comfort in slightly reduced projections on rising temperatures and sea levels by the year 2100. But it is tempered by a flat pronouncement that global warming is essentially a runaway train that cannot be stopped for centuries.
"The observed widespread warming of the atmosphere and ocean, together with ice-mass loss, support the conclusion that it is extremely unlikely that global climate change of the past 50 years can be explained without external forcing, and very likely that is not due to known natural causes alone," said the 20-page report.
Human-caused warming and rises in sea-level "would continue for centuries" because the process has already started, "even if greenhouse gas concentrations were to be stabilized," said the 20-page report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
The report by a group of hundreds of scientists and representatives of 113 governments contains the most authoritative science on the issue. It was due for official release later Friday morning in Paris. (Watch climate experts discuss the planet's future "TYPE=PICT;ALT=Video")
The phrase "very likely" translates to a more than 90 percent certainty that global warming is caused by man.
What that means in layman's language is "we have this nailed," said top U.S. climate scientist Jerry Mahlman, who originated the percentage system.
It marked an escalation from the panel's last report in 2001, which said warming was "likely" caused by human activity. There had been speculation that the participants might try to up the ante to "virtually certain" man causes global warming, which translates to 99 percent chance.
On sea levels, the report projects rises of 7-23 inches by the end of the century. That could be augmented by an additional 4-8 inches if recent surprising polar ice sheet melt continues. (Watch how rising sea levels could affect San Francisco "TYPE=PICT;ALT=Video")
The 2001 report projected a sea level rise of up to 35 inches.
Many scientists had warned that this was being too cautious and said sea level rise could be closer to 3 to 5 feet because of ice sheet melt.
But despite losing on that battle, scientists said the report is strong.
"There's no question that the powerful language is intimately linked to the more powerful science," said one of the study's many co-authors, Andrew Weaver of the University of Victoria, who spoke by phone from Canada. He said the report was based on science that is rock-solid, peer-reviewed, conservative and consensus.
"It's very conservative. Scientists by their nature are skeptics."
The scientists wrote the report, based on years of peer-reviewed research; government officials edited it with an eye toward the required unanimous approval by world governments.
In the end, there was little debate on the strength of the wording about human activity most likely to blame.
"That is a big move. I hope it is a powerful statement," said Jan Pretel, head of the department of climate change at the Czech Hydrometeorological Institute.

Rising sea levels
The panel quickly agreed Thursday on two of the most contentious issues: attributing global warming to man-made burning of fossil fuels and connecting it to a recent increase in stronger hurricanes. Negotiations over a final third difficult issue -- how much sea level rise is predicted by 2100 -- went into the night Thursday with a deadline approaching for the report. (Watch a preview of the report "TYPE=PICT;ALT=Video")
While critics call the panel overly alarmist, it is by nature relatively cautious because it relies on hundreds of scientists, including skeptics.
"I hope that policymakers will be quite convinced by this message," said Riibeta Abeta, a delegate whose island nation Kiribati is threatened by rising seas. "The purpose is to get them moving."
The Chinese delegation was resistant to strong wording on global warming, said Barbados delegate Leonard Fields and others. China has increasingly turned to fossil fuels for its huge and growing energy needs and it asked that an ambiguous footnote be added to the "very likely" statement. (Watch how Asian nations have given the U.S. political cover on energy consumption "TYPE=PICT;ALT=Video")
The footnote reads: "Consideration of remaining uncertainty is based on current methodology," according to an official who was at the negotiations but was sworn to secrecy.
Meanwhile, the U.S. government delegation was not one of the more vocal groups in the debate over whether warming is man-made, said other countries' officials. And several attendees credited the head of the panel session, Susan Solomon, a top U.S. government climate scientist, with pushing through the agreement so quickly.
The Bush administration acknowledges that global warming is man-made and a problem that must be dealt with, Bush science adviser John Marburger has said. However, Bush continues to reject mandatory limits on so-called "greenhouse" gases, even as he acknowledges the existence of climate change.
Climate change a global issue
But this is more than just a U.S. issue.
"What you're trying to do is get the whole planet under the proverbial tent in how to deal with this, not just the rich countries," Mahlman said Thursday. "I think we're in a different kind of game now."
The panel, created by the United Nations in 1988, releases its assessments every five or six years -- although scientists have been observing aspects of climate change since as far back as the 1960s. The reports are released in phases, with this one being the first of four this year.
The next report is due in April and will discuss the effects of global warming.
But there are some elements of that in the current document.
The report says that global warming has made stronger hurricanes, including those on the Atlantic Ocean, such as Hurricane Katrina, according to Fields, the Barbados delegate, and others.
It also said an increase in hurricane and tropical cyclone strength since 1970 "more likely than not" can be attributed to man-made global warming. The scientists said global warming's connection varies with storms in different parts of the world, but that the storms that strike the Americas are global warming-influenced.
That's a contrast from the 2001 report, which said there was not enough evidence to make such a conclusion. And it conflicts with a November 2006 statement by the World Meteorological Organization, which helped found the IPCC. The meteorological group said it could not link past stronger storms to global warming.
Fields -- of Barbados, a country in the path of many hurricanes -- said the new wording was "very important." He noted that insurance companies -- which look to science to calculate storm risk -- "watch the language, too."
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These are the same sort of idiots who declared global cooling to be unstoppable just 30 years ago. According to them, we were supposed to be on the edge of an ice age by now.

Now, ask yourself why the UN would have an interest in promoting the idea of anthropogenic global warming. The only way that the world body will ever gain the supreme political power it seeks is by the same means that every dictatorial/totalitarian government has gained power: through fear. It must generate one or another crises of such an unfathomable magnitude that the only apparent solution is the surrender of supreme authority to a "benificent" central authority. The success of such a scheme is rooted in the successful promotion of the idea that your neighbor's conduct is potentially harmful or fatal to yourself or your children. Modifying that conduct requires control over that neighbor that you do not have in a free society, so freedom must be sacrificed in order to reign in those who refuse to accept the alleged consequences of their actions. This is the clearest path to tyranny and it is a gambit that has been employed to perfection time and time again. It is truly disheartening to see my fellow Americans fall for such a transparent ploy. If their gullibility affected only thenselves and their kin, perhaps I would be able to laugh at the accuracy of P. T. Barnum's assessment of the public at large. However, given that such foolishness has the potential of depriving me and mine of our hard-won liberties, I consider these people to be not only fools, but dangerous fools.

Anything, absolutely EVERYTHING that is barfed out of the United Nations of Theft & Genocide is complete propaganda!

Nothing, absolutely NOTHING that these genocidal maniacs do is ever correct or without subversive motive.

They're nothing but a body of communists & dictators who hate America and the FREEDOM she stands for.

Interesting how much MONEY that these theives stand to make on this mamouth world hysteria.

FOOD FOR OIL program anyone?????

UN OUT OF THE U.S. & U.S. OUT OF THE UN

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

Anything, absolutely EVERYTHING that is barfed out of the United Nations of Theft & Genocide is complete propaganda!

Nothing, absolutely NOTHING that these genocidal maniacs do is ever correct or without subversive motive.

They're nothing but a body of communists & dictators who hate America and the FREEDOM she stands for.

Interesting how much MONEY that these theives stand to make on this mamouth world hysteria.

FOOD FOR OIL program anyone?????

UN OUT OF THE U.S. & U.S. OUT OF THE UN

The UN wants to tax us and this is the excuse.

We have to be prepared, with the Democrats in charge of Congress even this could happen.

Okay, I feel guilty for telling you all this, but it was 82 degrees here Monday, in the mid-70's yesterday, and with a bit of a cooling trend looming....it's going to be in the "frigid" low 70's for the rest of the week.

But...the downside is that I live in San Diego, California. Or, more commonly known as...MEXIFORNIA!! So we better have some bleepin' good weather here, to make up for the fact that San Diegan's now basically live in northern Tijuana.

Originally Posted by americangirl

Okay, I feel guilty for telling you all this, but it was 82 degrees here Monday, in the mid-70's yesterday, and with a bit of a cooling trend looming....it's going to be in the "frigid" low 70's for the rest of the week.

But...the downside is that I live in San Diego, California. Or, more commonly known as...MEXIFORNIA!! So we better have some bleepin' good weather here, to make up for the fact that San Diegan's now basically live in northern Tijuana.

It is 3 degrees at 8:06 a.m. with a wind chill of -10 degrees The good news we still don't have a problem with illegals

Americangirl, you also live in a town that is home to the best team in baseball, so life it not that bad in San Diego.

As for the Global Warming Jihad that is out there, the other day the temperatures hoverd around the low 30's, upper 20's. The record low for that day was in the teens somewhere in the 1950's while the record high was 81, set back in 1911.

Don't try to sell global warming to a Texan. The weather changes. I think that's why we refer to the weather goddess as "Mother Nature". Always changing in a snap. I just got punched in the arm by my wife, but I still think global warming is a load of whooey. In about 20 years it will be global cooling again.