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    Giuliani can't say if Trump campaign aides colluded

    Giuliani can't say if Trump campaign aides colluded


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    The President's attorney says he never denied Trump's campaign colluded with the Russians during the 2016 campaign, only that the President didn't


    Rudy Giuliani says Trump didn't collude with Russia but can't say if campaign aides did

    By Caroline Kelly, CNN
    Updated 10:55 PM ET, Wed January 16, 2019

    (CNN)Rudy Giuliani said Wednesday that he never denied President Donald Trump's campaign colluded with the Russian government during the 2016 campaign, only that the President himself was not involved in collusion.

    In an interview with CNN's Chris Cuomo on "Cuomo Prime Time," Giuliani, a former New York mayor and Trump's attorney, said he doesn't know if other people in the campaign, including former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, were working with the Kremlin during the 2016 presidential race.

    "I never said there was no collusion between the campaign, or people in the campaign," Giuliani said.


    He added, "I said the President of the United States.

    There is not a single bit of evidence the President of the United States committed the only crime you can commit here, conspiring with the Russians to hack the DNC."


    It's another remarkable statement from Giuliani, given that the President and his supporters have repeatedly denied any collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. A person familiar with the matter told CNN last week that Manafort, while serving as Trump's campaign chairman, tried to send internal polling data from the Trump campaign with two Kremlin-supporting Ukrainian oligarchs through his associate Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian national who is linked to Russian intelligence.


    When Cuomo asked if Manafort sharing such data with foreign agents constituted collusion, Giuliani said Trump never shared the polling data himself and only found out about it recently in the news.


    "Donald Trump wasn't giving polling data to anyone," Giuliani said, adding, "he did not know about it until it was revealed a few weeks ago in an article."


    Trump himself has tweeted at least 13 times directly saying there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. The latest such denial came on December 10.


    "Democrats can't find a Smocking (sic) Gun tying the Trump campaign to Russia after James Comey's testimony. No Smocking (sic) Gun...No Collusion.' @FoxNews. That's because there was NO COLLUSION. So now the Dems go to a simple private transaction, wrongly call it a campaign contribution," Trump tweeted, referencing a quote that was said on Fox News.


    The President reacting to a filing in the court case of his former attorney, Michael Cohen, and the money paid to two women during the 2016 campaign who allege they've had extramarital affairs with Trump. Trump has denied both allegations.


    Trump later added, "Which it was not (but even if it was, it is only a CIVIL CASE, like Obama's - but it was done correctly by a lawyer and there would not even be a fine. Lawyer's liability if he made a mistake, not me).

    Cohen just trying to get his sentence reduced. WITCH HUNT!"


    In the interview with Cuomo, Giuliani challenged special counsel Robert Mueller to provide evidence of wrongdoing by the President.


    "Let's see if he's got anything -- I challenge him to show us some evidence that the President was involved in anything approaching criminal conduct," Giuliani said.


    He added, "If you want to do an ethics investigation fine, do an ethics investigation. But you don't need a special prosecutor for that."


    Later in the interview, Giuliani shot down reports that he had said Trump's legal team should get to edit Mueller's report before it goes public.


    Giuliani told Cuomo that he only meant Trump's legal team should get to see Mueller's final report before it goes public in order to write a response, but stressed that he does not want to alter the report and supports as much of it being published as national security allows.


    "Of course I should (be able to view it first), I should be allowed to respond," Giuliani said, adding that "it's fair that we get an opportunity to do that."


    "I don't want to change the report, I want to respond to the report," he added.


    Giuliani said that he would ideally like the report to be published unredacted so that he and fellow Trump lawyer Jay Sekulow could provide a complete counterargument, and that he would not be able to edit the report regardless.


    "As his lawyer, I'd honestly like you to see the whole report because I think Jay and I could knock the hell out of it," he said.


    "First of all, they wouldn't let me change the report. Secondly; I've been a lawyer too long to think I'd ever do that. Third, I want them to write the garbage they're going to write because I want to answer it," Giuliani added.

    This is a breaking story and will be updated.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/rudy-giuliani-cnntv/index.html
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    I don't think that's true, but even if it were true about "poll rigging", I can't wait for the US Department of Justice to start locking up the CEO's of CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC and at least 20 others who rigged all their polls against Trump during the 2016 campaign. Only 3 polls that I saw got it right, or close enough to be shown as honest pollsters for a Presidential campaign and those were Los Angeles Times/USC daily tracking poll, Rasmussen daily tracking poll and IBD daily tracking poll. They all had Trump either 1 or 2 ahead or only 1 or 3 behind, within their margins of error, and he lost the popular vote within those margins, but won the electoral college.

    That means to me all the others who had him losing by double digits were lying out their poop holes and rigging their polls with excessive numbers of DemoQuacks polled that didn't reflect the demographics of the nation. They aren't that stupid, they did it deliberately to suppress the vote for Trump DURING the election.

    Rigging a poll with more of your fans than opponents to promote yourself before a campaign even strarts is .... marketing.

    Further more, this whole story of the poll rigging is strange because it claims the dude in Georgia was owed money for services rendered months before Trump even announced he was was running. Was Cohen trying to rig a poll to convince Trump to run?! The other strange thing is that these polls that were supposedly rigged were CNBC's and Drudge polls, did they rig them to convince Trump to run? What would some IT flake in Georgia have to do with that? How could he "rig" them other than what happens a lot on online polls is your fans for the issue one way or the other vote multiple, repeated times, but I think CNBC's and Drudge polls don't allow that, you try to vote again and it sends you a message "you've already voted, thank you." And it doesn't count.

    So this is just more Fake News, in my opinion.
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    Trump is the one who has said many times that no one colluded with the Russians, not him, not anyone on the campaign. And I'm sure he believes that. I've never heard Guiliani say that. So I think the Fake News Media is mixing up what Trump said himself, versus, what Guiliani ever said.
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    According to a convicted felon and two corrupt "law enforcement officials" who leaked an unproven opinion to the press. Why? If you have the goods, why leak a story and jeopardize a prosecution?!

    You only do that when you don't have the goods and want to sway public opinion in your favor.
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    Read carefully, those are Trump Organization docs and emails, not the President's or from the White House.

    This is another phony absurd fiasco just like the Dossier leak to Buzzfeed by the FBI.
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