Thread: FairTax and Trade

Originally Posted by MW

Obviously you were talking about the current system without modification. So no, I didn't prove you right at all. I proved you wrong. Not supporting the unfair tax does not mean you necessarily support the current tax system. By the way, the Value Added Tax (VAT) is a consumption based tax.

Obviously I wasn't, because we just modified it, and there are more modifications in the works.

So yes, you did prove my statement.

Yes, the Value Added Tax is a goods and services tax broken down and charged to every business along the supply chain who are then reimbursed by consumers at the final point of sale. The VAT has no hope in the United States because anyone who wants to get rid of the income tax to pursue a consumption tax will support the FairTax over any ridiculous VAT scheme.

Originally Posted by Judy

Why do you think America's families are more dependent upon a "federal government check" rebating FairTaxes on necessities than a "federal government check" refunding income taxes on necessities and other stuff to boot that they get now? I do not know a soul who would ever be dependent on a sales tax rebate "check" from any taxing authority.

Look at the word "rebate":

Dictionary.com:
a return of part of the original payment for some service or merchandise; partial refund.

The use of that word is "spin"! You get that money from the government whether you spend anything or not. It is, effectively, just like Welfare. So tell us you are unaware of anybody living solely off Welfare!

Originally Posted by Judy

Johnwk, you would prefer to keep the income tax than fill out a simple 3 line sales tax form once a month under the FairTax. That's sick and very selfish.

And if Income tax were flat rate, it could just as easily be a three line form. Not an advantage.

Originally Posted by Judy

And John, the next time you run across an American who you think can "subsist" on a $226 a month FairTax Rebate "federal government check"

If you are a family of 8, that adds up. There are many doing that now.

Originally Posted by Judy

Yeah, what a joke. There is no plan to replace the revenue, John, therefore you have bankrupted the US government, shut it down. Your "32 words" ban not only income tax, but tariffs, sales taxes and excise taxes, the only sources of tax revenue for our government.

WRONG! We would revert to what we had before the 16th Amendment!

Originally Posted by Judy

Yes it does get rid of the income tax, all of it, 100%. It does not repeal the 16th Amendment, which is what you're talking about, but that will be done after the FairTax legislation passes with a separate legislation for an amendment to the Constitution for the states to ratify.

You are gullible! Just like when the Democrats promised President Reagan that they would enact border security after he signed their Amnesty legislation!

Originally Posted by Judy

Tthe 16th Amendment doesn't have to be repealed to get rid of the income tax. The income tax is created by laws, not the 16th Amendment. The 16th Amendment only allows for it, it doesn't create it or impose it.

And as long as it is there to allow Congress to impose new taxes, they will. In California it didn't stop until The People voted for Prop 13, that took away the authority for the legislature to raise taxes!

Originally Posted by jtdc

WRONG! We would revert to what we had before the 16th Amendment!

John is doing more than repealing the 16th Amendment with his 32 words.

Originally Posted by Judy

So, if you oppose the FairTax, you prefer the income tax.

WRONG! We just don't prefer your FairTax! I tend to lean toward a VAT type tax.

Originally Posted by Judy

Obviously I wasn't, because we just modified it, and there are more modifications in the works.

So now you want to shadow box with an ever changing Strawman, because you can't win against actual facts!

Originally Posted by Judy

Yes, the Value Added Tax is a goods and services tax broken down and charged to every business along the supply chain who are then reimbursed by consumers at the final point of sale.

YOU MEAN THEY GET PAID FOR THEIR GOODS AND SERVICES? WHAT A CONCEPT!

Originally Posted by Judy

John is doing more than repealing the 16th Amendment with his 32 words.

Gee, what is my browser not showing? It does away with all Income Taxes. It doesn't take away tariffs or excise taxes.

Please list all the other things you think that John's "32 words" do!

Originally Posted by jtdc

You are gullible! Just like when the Democrats promised President Reagan that they would enact border security after he signed their Amnesty legislation!

And as long as it is there to allow Congress to impose new taxes, they will. In California it didn't stop until The People voted for Prop 13, that took away the authority for the legislature to raise taxes!

So what? You've let them do it your whole life. The only time I hear any of you wanting to repeal the 16th Amendment is when I promote the FairTax which repeals all the income tax laws, which makes the 16th Amendment moot.

Seems to me MW would want to preserve the 16th Amendment for all his income tax and income tax combo options. After all he doesn't think the FairTax is "fair", he thinks it's "fraud", so certainly you wouldn't want to repeal the 16th Amendment with such a tax fraud system like the FairTax in place.

Johnwk hates the FairTax, he can stand the thought of having file a monthly 3 line sales tax report, he obviously lives in one of the 5 states that doesn't have a state sales tax, so he'd definitely want to preserve the 16th Amendment to keep his options open to replace the FairTax with something else.

And you, well, then there's you, who finds the FairTax "unacceptable", so clearly you'd want to keep the acceptable 16th Amendment on the books and preserve the income tax option.

The FairTax legislation has a sunset provision tied to repealing the 16th Amendment within 7 years, so if 3/4 of the states of this great union haven't ratified the amendment to repeal it within 7 years of implementing the FairTax, guess what happens, the FairTax ends by law and you can pick up your marbles and go do whatever else you want to do.

Originally Posted by jtdc

WRONG! We just don't prefer your FairTax! I tend to lean toward a VAT type tax.

Well of course you would. You would want to annoy every business and entrepreneur in America and increase their costs to increase the margin on the expense you created for them and pass that along to the next one who will do the same thing and the next one and the next one and the next one, all called compounding, until it gets to the store and you pay them all back with no rebate for your necessities for all their expense, all their trouble, all their margins, all their profit on the expense you created for them. You are exactly the type of person who would prefer that stupidity if it existed somewhere, but it doesn't exist. There is no VAT option available to you nor will there ever be. Thank God.