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    Fed Up French Citizens Arming Themselves For Self-Defense

    Are you asking yourselves what is police going to do to protect your life and your property in case of "youths" riots? Police department in Vitry-le-François has already answered your question. They will desert you.

    Fed Up French Citizens Arming Themselves For Self-Defense
    Is this the change everyone has been waiting for? A surprising follow-up to our earlier June 15 story on the terrible Night Of Violence in the French town of Vitry-le-François.

    The context: on the evening of the 14th of June, several dozen young thugs went on a rampage that left over 60 cars burned. The outnumbered police and firefighters responding to the outbreak of savagery found themselves showered with stones, fortunately only causing light injuries... this time.

    Today the major French newspaper Le Monde carries a long article revealing that the neighborhood's attitude has changed since that awful evening.

    My loose translation:

    "In fifteen days, since the riots, I've had over a hundred extra customers. They're coming for information and to buy things, because they want to be able to defend themselves in the worst neighborhoods", explains Sylvain Pierret, a downtown gunsmith. These are clients with a different profile than the usual customers, which are essentially comprised of hunters. Clients, of all ages, of whom many wished to find out how to go about acquiring rifles and handguns.

    "They told me they were coming because of the riots. I explained that it wasn't possible to buy guns without permits. At which, some fell back on non-lethal weapons", explains the gun shop owner, naming tear gas grenades, pistols firing rubber bullets and tasers. "There is much frustration and fear. People want products that will reassure them."

    In the face of these reactions, mayor Jean-Pierre Bouquet (Sociaslist Party) made an appeal for calm in the local paper. "The situation has calmed down but the city is still in a state of shock", he explains. "I felt the psychosis as early as the next morning: when I met victims, some told me that they were going to get their guns". In the area where several cars were destroyed, victims interviewed by Le Monde, hours after the violence, were not hiding their aims to take their safety into their own hands.

    These reactions show the depth of the residents' trauma. These residents see gangs, often wearing hoods and armed with baseball bats, taking control of the area, vandalizing homes and cars. There's an additional difficulty for medium-sized cities like Vitry-le-François: unlike the suburbs of Ile-de-France [Paris], where authorities can quickly mobilize their forces, the local authorities do not have access to reserves nearby to quickly re-establish peace. Several tens of minutes, sometimes several hours, pass by, in a state of anarchy, before the residents notice an effective intervention on the part of law enforcement.

    The impact is disastrous. After similar violence in October 2007, in Saint-Dizier, city of 30,000 people, the victims told the psychologists in the crisis response unit of a mixture of "fear", of "fatalism" and of "fury" in the wake of the burning of dozens of vehicles and public buildings by bands of youth. In their report, the psychologists insisted on the "sense of abandonment and of powerlessness" of the residents. The citizens told of being "left to themselves in the face of a situation that totally overwhelmed them, without any help or support from law enforcement, which were themselves overwhelmed."

    With two possible consequences: the wish to protect themselves and a strong rejection of the authorities, who are judged incapable of insuring security.

    The impacts are ongoing, particularly for the most vulnerable. Mrs X (an anonymous witness in the proceedings, her name can not be revealed) has lived for almost forty years in the neighborhood of Vert-Bois, in Saint-Dizier. "Until the riots, I would go always go out for my errands, by taking the bus. Since then, I've stopped, I was too affraid." During the riots, this sixty-year old found herself a few feet from the rioters, in the middle of burning cars and rains of stones. Today, still as shocked, this mother of a family says she avoids "groups of young people". "I'm wary of people when they're in a group. I change sidewalks", she says.

    These traumas explain the measures undertaken by city halls following the incidents. On the initiative of François Cornut-Gentille (UMP party), mayor of Saint-Dizier, the community has created a victims' association. This group brings together 24 residents who have accepted to become plaintiffs -- a high number for a context where usually "the vow of silence" takes precedent. "Without the association, we would never have had so many plaintiffs. Some victims would probably have chosen not to bring charges in order not to risk reprisals", underscores the mayor.

    From this experience, the municipality of Vitry-le-François has called upon the municipality of Saint-Dizier to learn how to best manage the riot's aftermath. An association of victims has also been created. Its first meeting attracted 70 residents. "There is a large wave of anger in the city. But also a strong interest in committed measures", insists [mayor] Bouquet, convinced that the success of the police investigation will be instrumental in re-establishing peace. ... ... rming.html

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    I suppose using terms like "BANDS OF YOUTHS" is a feeble attempt to diminish the fact that they are vicious, violent gangs who are a menace to society...who just happen to be under the age of 18! Where is law enforcement??? This is yet another case of derelict of duty...the police DO NOTHING! The mayor says there will be an 'investigation' and hopefully 'peace can be restored'! WHAT AN IDIOT! The only way to end the violence, is to arrest them and take them off the streets forever. How can you negotiate with a terrorist???

    Related story:

    Tuesday, January 15, 2008

    France's Kindergarten Horrors
    Seine-Saint-Denis, one of France's highest profile battlegrounds between teenage thugs and police, was in the news again last week, as the French newspaper Le Figaro took a closer look into the statistics on the increase in juvenile delinquency.

    Out of 82 556 cases in 2005, 3474 of them dealt with children under 13 years of age. What kind of people are these children destined to grow up to become? If you can bear it, read through this partial translation of several of the individual cases they site in their investigation, previewing the next generation of urban violence for France:

    Eyes rolled up, with his breathing "wheezing, sonorous, animal-like", earning him the nickname "the exorcist", "Aziz" is rabid. Hyperactive behavior, insults, punches… the last time he struck someone, it was a teacher. Who brought charges against him. Aziz is not one of those hardened teenagers who hang out in gangs, he is five years old and lives in the city of Saint-Denis…

    Aziz is not an isolated case. The rejuvenation of delinquency in the difficult neighborhoods is a regular phenomenon. Aged from 3 to 10 years old, these mini gangbangers, called "extremely disruptive children" by the administration, are not content to steal candies, but instead fight, smoke, loiter in the streets, torch cars, etc.

    For instance like "Bemba", 7 years old, who comes to school stinking from gasoline, after having burned cars with his brothers in the neighboring parking lot.
    Or even the 3 year old child dubbed "Hannibal Lecter", in reference to the cannibal character from Silence of the Lambs, for his having bitten the nose off a little girl. Or mentioning "Kader", 6 years old, who, under the influence of his step-father, smokes cannabis each night "to sleep better".[b] "Hakim", 9, has stabbed his own mother with a knife. [/b]It was six years ago. After many other serious misdemeanors, he is today imprisoned in Fresnes. All these children… come from Seine-Saint-Denis.
    For Patricia, mother of three children living in the city of Floreal in Saint-Denis, the rejuvenation of delinquency has been observable "for about a dozen years, with an emboldening and a feeling of impunity since the riots of November 2005". She is worried for her little girl, Chloe, aged 10, who has been assaulted several times at school : "It is no longer possible for our children. They have no chance here", she says… "Is it normal to leave three or four year old children outside until 11 at night ?", she says indignantly. It’s the surest path "to put them on the road to delinquency", adds Isabelle, a counselor in a recreation center for the last 8 years. A few months ago, while pregnant, she was struck repeatedly in the stomach by "Maxime", 7 years of age...

    In the examples of these feral children, are we seeing human beings stripped of their humanity, reduced to an unnatural existence, fallen to the level of animals… or do we encounter here mankind in its natural, default state, awaiting the trio of gifts which raise us above the animals, and make us humane: self-examination, self-criticism, and self-control, all applied so as to effect self-directed inner change.

    “We are our own worst critics

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    These "bands of youths" are the anchor babies of illegal aliens? Is this what our future will be like? It may be if Obama wins.
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