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    Glenn Beck / Judge Napolitano push for Constitutional Conven

    I cannot believe what Glenn Beck seems to be up to, but it is scaring me! Glenn Beck is right on target with getting rid of the income tax. But what does he seem to choose to replace it? The alleged fair tax. And now Glenn Beck has Judge Napolitano on his TV show who correctly states we need to “starveâ€

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    Or better yet just demand they pass the FairTax and then under separate legislation repeal the 16th Amendment within the 7 years of the sunset provision of the FairTax?

    I oppose a Constitutional Convention, unless it is solely for the purpose of repealing the 16th Amendment by the states because Congress refuses to do it.

    But I'm glad to see Beck and Napolitano coming out in support of the FairTax. I hope more television commentators and others will do so in the future.

    www.fairtax.org

    The private pension funds are a serious problem and just another reflection of the dire straits of our economy. We're in an economic collapse so everything everyone thought they had or would have by retirement is quickly evaporating. You can't flood our nation with millions of immigrants a year, ship our manufacturing job base out and end up with anything more than a totally bankrupt nation.

    Jobs Out (Free Trade) + People In (Illegal Immigration) = Bankrupt Nation

    It's a mathematical certainty and that's what we're experiencing on every level in the US economy.

    We can't fix the economy until we reverse the policies that caused this catastrophe.

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    Know it or not, we don't need to pay income taxes now. That is why I am upset when he talks about fair or flat tax. If you were to go to freedomlawschool.org or truthattack.org you can read up on it.

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    From: Dr. Don JONES <irsinfo@email.com>
    > Subject: Income Tax Data w/ I.R/S.
    > To: "Dr-Don JONES" <irsinfo@yahoo.com>
    > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:47 PM
    > OFFICIAL
    >
    > EMPLOYER (IRS), NOTICE
    >
    > Exhausting RESEARCH’S -discovered many unknown facts
    > regarding Income Tax
    > withholding/s!
    >
    > The IRS is headquartered outside the United States in
    > Puerto Rico. A
    > Foreign inanity!
    >
    > The IRS violates almost every citizen protective Act
    > & Law ever
    > adopted by Congress.
    >
    > Every dime of Tax money goes to the Private Federal
    > Reserve, -NOT the
    > U.S. Treasury.
    >
    > All IRS laws -regardless, -have never been approved by
    > the U.S.
    > Congress -as required.
    >
    > The OMB claims ALL IRS forms to be 100% phony. (Office
    > of Management
    > Budget).
    >
    > The OMB is the sole source and authority for official
    > U.S. forms
    > -gathering information.
    >
    > Phony IRS 1040 forms have used the same OMB number for
    > over 20 years.
    > Bogus!
    >
    > The phony IRS is in direct violation with FTC via/Title
    > 15 (USC)
    > codes of operation.
    >
    > The U.S. Constitution has never allowed a ‘direct’
    > tax, upon U.S.
    > Citizens.
    >
    > No wording in the Constitution and no U.S. Amendment
    > has ever allowed
    > Income Tax.
    >
    > The Constitution is the ultimate, supreme law of the
    > United States of
    > America.
    >
    > IRS-IRM-IRC-Title-26 (USC), as embossed in gold on all IRS
    > manuals
    >
    > has never been approved by Congress or published (as
    > required), in the
    > official U.S. Federal Register.
    >
    > In 1988, the federal and corporate United States joined the
    > United
    > Nations Convention on Contracts for International
    > CONTRACTS. The IRS
    > never complied -as required!
    >
    > Any
    >
    > employer, what-so-ever, whom-so-ever, residing and
    > Constitutionally
    > benefitting in a free society, thereof, within the confines
    > of the fifty
    > (50), United States of America (USA), herewith, and have
    > always been
    > wholly -in body accountable (Constitutionally liable), for
    > their actions
    > (no exceptions what-so-ever), to their employees for
    > allegedly violating
    > the U.S. Constitution by allowing a private, non Government
    > agency who
    > intentionally and knowingly uses deception -the right to
    > collect income
    > tax from employees of the U.S. in violation of all
    > provisions stipulated
    > within the U.S. Constitution. (Since 1913 -The Law That
    > Never Was"!)
    >
    > THEREFORE:
    >
    > Employers, in the interest of fairness, decency, courtesy,
    > legality and
    > justice, must unequivocally prove, produce, show, or
    > physically
    > demonstrate -that there has -ever been a U.S. Codification
    > code
    > Congressionally affirmed, adopted, accepted, or approved,
    > as required,
    > for use by the United States Government; to wit
    > IRS-IRM-IRC-TITLE-26
    > (USC), or by any other private agency working for and on
    > behalf of the
    > U.S. Government to withhold employee taxes.
    >
    > OFFICIAL
    >
    > EMPLOYEE NOTICE
    >
    > You, -as a citizen of the United States have the
    > Constitutionally adopted
    > ‘unalienable’, right to hold your EMPLOYER fully
    > ‘liable’ for extracting
    > payroll deductions from your earned income (Withholding
    > Tax/s), in lieu
    > of the above presented facts. They must show unequivocal
    > ‘valid’
    > documented proof, employers have
    >
    > the legal afforded right to withhold ‘any’ personal
    > private wages -using
    > IRS forms that have never had the approval of the OMB,
    > demonstrating an
    > official ‘dated’ OMB number, as required.
    >
    > Liability charges = ‘extortion’, ‘larceny’,
    > ‘theft’, ‘fraud’,
    > ‘conspiracy’, and ‘deception’.
    >
    > Authority is thus granted you under the auspices of the
    > U.S.
    > Constitution, U.S. Code of Ethics, the Office of Management
    > & Budget, the
    > FTC Title-15 (USC), the never contested, published book THE
    > RAPING OF OUR
    > NATION, and the UCC (Universal Code for Contracts).
    >
    > Two (2), Million Dollar REWARD, -if we’re wrong!
    >
    > SAVE YOUR LIFE RESEARCH TAX COALITION (SYLRTC), Division
    > #3, -since 1972
    > , 3535 E. Cst. Hwy. #140, Corona delMar, CA 92625-2404.
    >
    > 949-208-1518 (takes messages),
    >
    > DR. Donald E. Jones, CEO, Div#3 SYLRTC,
    >
    > SYLRTC form 42809-64568
    >
    > ************************************************** **************
    >
    > ************************************************** **************
    >
    > OFFICIAL EMPLOYER (IRS), NOTICE
    >
    > Exhausting RESEARCH’S -discovered many unknown facts
    > regarding Income Tax
    > withholding!
    >
    > 1. The IRS is headquartered outside the United States
    > in Puerto
    > Rico. A Foreign inanity!
    >
    > 2. The IRS violates almost every citizen protective
    > Act & Law ever
    > adopted by Congress.
    >
    > 3. Every dime of Tax money goes to the Private
    > Federal Reserve,
    > -NOT the U.S. Treasury.
    >
    > 4. All IRS laws -regardless, -have never been
    > approved by the U.S.
    > Congress -as required.
    >
    > 5. The OMB claims ALL IRS forms to be 100% phony.
    > (Office of
    > Management Budget).
    >
    > 6. The OMB is the sole source and authority for
    > official U.S. forms
    > -gathering information.
    >
    > 7. Phony IRS 1040 forms have used the same OMB number
    > for over 20
    > years. Bogus!
    >
    > 8. The phony IRS is in direct violation with FTC
    > via/Title 15 (USC)
    > codes of operation.
    >
    > 9. The U.S. Constitution has never allowed a
    > ‘direct’ tax, upon
    > U.S. Citizens.
    >
    > 10. No wording in the Constitution and no U.S.
    > Amendment has ever
    > allowed Income Tax.
    >
    > 11. The Constitution is the ultimate, unequivocal
    > supreme law of the
    > United States, -as is.
    >
    > 12. IRS-IRM-IRC-Title-26 (USC), as embossed in gold on
    > all IRS
    > manuals
    >
    > has never been approved by Congress or published (as
    > required), in the
    > official U.S. Federal Register.
    >
    > 13. In 1988, the federal and corporate United States
    > joined the
    > United Nations Convention on Contracts for International
    > CONTRACTS.
    > The IRS never complied -as required!
    >
    > Any
    >
    > employer, what-so-ever, whom-so-ever, residing and
    > Constitutionally
    > benefitting in a free society, thereof, within the confines
    > of the fifty
    > (50), United States of America (USA), herewith, and have
    > always been
    > wholly -in body accountable (Constitutionally liable), for
    > their actions
    > (no exceptions what-so-ever), to their employees for
    > allegedly violating
    > the U.S. Constitution by allowing a private, non Government
    > agency who
    > intentionally and knowingly uses deception -the right to
    > collect income
    > tax from employees of the U.S. in violation of all
    > provisions stipulated
    > within the U.S. Constitution. (Since 1913 -The Law That
    > Never Was"!)
    >
    > THEREFORE:
    >
    > Employers, in the interest of fairness, decency, courtesy,
    > legality and
    > justice, must unequivocally prove, produce, show, or
    > physically
    > demonstrate -that there has -ever been a U.S. Codification
    > code
    > Congressionally affirmed, adopted, accepted, or approved,
    > as required,
    > for use by the United States Government; to wit
    > IRS-IRM-IRC-TITLE-26
    > (USC), or by any other private agency working for and on
    > behalf of the
    > U.S. Government to withhold employee taxes.
    >
    > OFFICIAL
    >
    > EMPLOYEE NOTICE
    >
    > You, -as a citizen of the United States have the
    > Constitutionally adopted
    > ‘unalienable’, right to hold your EMPLOYER fully
    > ‘liable’ for extracting
    > payroll deductions from your earned income (Withholding
    > Tax/s), in lieu
    > of the above presented facts. They must show unequivocal
    > ‘valid’
    > documented proof, employers have
    >
    > the legal afforded right to withhold ‘any’ personal
    > private wages -using
    > IRS forms that have never had the approval of the OMB,
    > demonstrating an
    > official ‘dated’ OMB number, as required.
    >
    > Liability charges = ‘extortion’, ‘larceny’,
    > ‘theft’, ‘fraud’,
    > ‘conspiracy’, and ‘deception’.
    >
    > Authority is thus granted you under the auspices of the
    > U.S.
    > Constitution, U.S. Code of Ethics, the Office of Management
    > & Budget, the
    > FTC Title-15 (USC), the never contested published book; THE
    > RAPING OF OUR
    > NATION, and the UCC (Universal Code for Contracts).
    >
    > Two (2), Million Dollar REWARD, -if we’re wrong!
    >
    > SAVE YOUR LIFE RESEARCH TAX COALITION (SYLRTC), Division
    > #3, -since 1972
    > , 3535 E. Cst. Hwy. #140, Corona delMar, CA 92625-2404.
    > 949-208-1518
    > (takes messages),
    >
    > DR. Donald E. Jones. CEO, SYLRTC Div #3
    >
    > SYLRTC form 42809-64568

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    Glenn Beck, Kevin James.. ;)

    I've seen you two (johnwk & Judy) go at this ‘Fair Tax’ before. I don’t know enough about it to comment..

    ..other then Glenn’s TV shows last week were KILLER..! (4.20-24.09)

    This week isn’t as exciting and I get a sense that the RINO’s are scamming on his leadership abilities..

    [b]Glenn’s TV repeat, (I haven’t seen it today yet, but at 15min past, GREAT..!! ) ..is at
    11p PT/2a ET via FoxNewsChannel


    PS: FNC, hey, ..[color=green][i]quit pushing Hickabilly “Big Chickenâ€
    No need for &lsquo;mass roundups&rsquo;, simply ENFORCE EXISTING law*& MANDATE the worker ID, ..but SEVEN amnesties? Hmm, WHO cried wolf?!

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    The FairTax repeals mandatory federal income taxes, all income taxes, on individuals, corporations and estates and replaces it with a national retail sales tax on new goods and services purchased for non-business purposes and exempts through a Rebate all consumption up to the family consumption allowance which for a family of 4 exempts the first $28,000 of potential spending on such items and services each year upfront automatically pro-rated every month for every US citizen or legal resident who signs up for it. It also abolishes the IRS 12 months after implementation of the FairTax, destroys all IRS records, and prohibits future funding for the IRS.

    I've read some of the arguments over the years about the existing income tax not being legal, and I think there are some people who have refused to pay income taxes and may have even gotten away with it through the courts.

    But that is an expensive and tedious way to go. We should just demand a repeal of all mandatory income taxes and replace them with a voluntary indirect FairTax, a national retail sales tax on consumption. I oppose the Flat Tax because that is still a mandatory income tax, just a single rate income tax with fewer deductions, but requires the same process of reporting to Nanny, filing a return, etc., etc., etc.

    I prefer the FairTax over any other tax proposal I've seen discussed or proposed by anyone in the past 30 years I've been studying them.

    www.fairtax.org

    I thought Glenn Beck's show today was great. I loved his question and answer session and was very proud of all the Americans who spoke up and out about their involvement in the Tea Parties and their reasons for participation.

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    Don't forget to fix the 14th Amendment concerning children of illegal parents in the United States?

    But do we trust these elected officials of today to fix anything?
    Politics of Illegal Immigration - Census, E-Verify, and I9s: http://tinyurl.com/3ru8w5

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    This is what the FairTax means to the average American earning a household income of $50,000 a year as an example:

    A family of four that earns $50,000 in wages pays 7.65% in social security tax and approximately 15% in federal income tax. This amounts to $3,825 in social security savings and assuming adjusted gross income of $40,000 another $6,000 in federal income tax.

    This family no longer pays the $3,825 in social security taxes or the $6,000 in federal income tax, so they take home $9,825 a year more in expendable income under the FairTax.

    In addition, they will receive the Rebate if they want it in the amount of $6,440 per year. The combined new expendable income for this family of 4 is $9,825 + $6,440 or $16,265 a year. Add in the savings on filing tax returns of $175 a year and this family is now enriched by $16,440 a year by the FairTax. That’s over $16,000 more on an estimated previous take home of $40,000 (after tax) or a 40% increase in the typical family’s net expendable income.

    That new expendable income is now safe in the pockets of the Americans who earned it under the FairTax system. Now they decide what they do wtih their money. Save, invest, spend, whatever they choose to do that is best for them. The essentials they need to live on are exempted through the Rebate and they can spend up to the family consumption allowance on new goods and services, or conserve, spend less, save, buy some used homes and cars, whatever they decide, they still receive the Rebate if they want it, and there is no reporting or accounting, because over the long haul, there's no reason for it. All they have to do is whatever they choose to do, and once a year update the Rebate form that verifies who is in still in their household and provide their social security numbers. The Rebate is handled by the Social Security Administration not the US Treasury Department.

    The FairTax rate is divided into two components, 1 portion of 8.09% ear-marked for social security and medicare and 14.91% earmarked for General Revenue for a total rate of 23%.

    Every one receives the same Social Security and MediCare benefits they receive under the present system but they are no longer funded by payroll taxes, they are funded by the FairTax national retail sales tax.

    On the Rebate, you can receive a check if you want, or designate a direct deposit or apply it to a Smart Card, your choice.

    The FairTax can mean the difference between a family having health insurance they pay for or not having it, because under the FairTax, they can afford to buy it.

    The FairTax can mean the difference between people losing their homes and or not losing them, because under the FairTax they can afford to make their payments.

    The FairTax can mean the difference between people being able to save for college for their kids, because under the FairTax they can afford to save.

    The FairTax can mean the difference between people having their own retirement savings for their Golden Years in addition to a securely funded Social Security Program, because under the FairTax they can afford to invest in secure investments to fund their lifestyle when they retire.

    The FairTax is not a constitutional issue, it is the difference between Americans being able to survive as independent free citizens of the United States, or not. There is no single piece of legislation more important to the American People and their present and future than the FairTax legislation, HB 25 in the US House of Representatives, and SB 296 in the US Senate, awaiting your calls, faxes, emails and letters to demand its passage immediately.

    www.fairtax.org

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    Quote Originally Posted by vmonkey56
    Don't forget to fix the 14th Amendment concerning children of illegal parents in the United States?

    But do we trust these elected officials of today to fix anything?
    We really don't need to fix the 14th Amendment, we need to pass legislation that instructs the US government to abide it. No child born to foreign nationals who are citizens of other countries should be recognized as US citizens now under the 14th Amendment unless as under the 14th Amendment, their parents were held as slaves in our country under our jurisdiction.

    No, we can not trust our elected officials of today to fix anything, we have to force them to do it or throw the bums out of office.

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    Interpreting is everything There will have to be laws passed to fix the 14th Amendment. There are Congress members working on the language to fix the 14th.
    Politics of Illegal Immigration - Census, E-Verify, and I9s: http://tinyurl.com/3ru8w5

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