Thread: I Was Wrong About Ron Paul On Immigration

Originally Posted by Once_A_Democrat

Originally Posted by specsaregood

Our Federal Reserve system and "fiat money" are responsible for our job loss, not free trade.

Sorry your're FLAT wrong.

Can you back up your assertion with something more that your own exalted opinion??

Originally Posted by nntrixie

A few months ago, my husband had an occasion to talk with two young men back from Iraq.

Both of them said we were mostly fighting Iraqis who didn't want us there.

Now these were not young men who knew each other - it was separate times, separate towns.

Paul gets more money from the military than any other candidate...at least he did for the previous two reporting periods.

I volunteer in a Ron Paul campaign office, and we're close to a military base. Soldiers come in all the time (but never in uniform!) to pick up literature to pass out. Admittedly, we also get soldiers who want to discuss "cut and run!" but they are by far the minority.

I"m like Glenn Beck. Before 9/11 I didn't care a whit about the Middle East. And I absolutely want to resume the hunt for Bin Laden (remember him?) even if we have to march into Pakistan to get him. But when I see pictures from Camp Victory, where bikini clad soldiers lounge poolside, I shudder to think how ticked off we'd be if the Muslims came here, took over Jefferson's mansion, and made everybody wear burqua's (sp?) on the grounds. And then - when they said they were going to stay there for at least 15 years, and probably forever....

Yeah, they hate us because we're free.

If ROn Paul is elected, he is committed to using our troops on our borders to stop the invasion of America. I support that.

Originally Posted by Once_A_Democrat

He compares eating too many twinkies with illegal drugs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo

If he doesn’t care about illegal drugs coming across the border surly won’t not care about illegal people or building the fence. I guess you can call this having more liberties which means no government and let free will shine. Like he said go back to the early 1900’s when the rich had the liberties to rule as they please

And the rich aren't in control now? Why do you think the drug companies lobbied so hard for the prescription drug plan? It was far better to get Washington to pay for them than to actually allow a free market to drive prices down.

If drugs aren't illegal that problem disappears. Prohibition never works - it's just another endless war, designed to give Washington money and power.

The bigger issue is that the Constitution doesn't even give the federal government the right to regulate drugs. Now they're on the verge of regulating and outlawing herbal supplements, andif you don't think it's because big pharma wants to cut into that market, then I encourage you to read up on ephedra. Absolutely no ill effects were ever proven, yet it was outlawed, only to drive consumers into the pharmacy to pick up "real" speeders.

Fascism is defined as a corporate government, and that's where we're headed. If ROn Paul doesn't win, we'll be choosing between a socialist and a fascist.

That's not what we're supposed to be! My ancestors came here to get away from that.

Originally Posted by AngelaTC

If ROn Paul is elected, he is committed to using our troops on our borders to stop the invasion of America. I support that.

Sorry You don't where RP stands by making the above statement.

You can't make statements here just out of the blue. Most here know better

Originally Posted by AngelaTC

The bigger issue is that the Constitution doesn't even give the federal government the right to regulate drugs. .

Where in the Consitution does the right taken from the government on this?

Originally Posted by Once_A_Democrat

Originally Posted by AngelaTC

The bigger issue is that the Constitution doesn't even give the federal government the right to regulate drugs. .

Where in the Consitution does the right taken from the government on this?

Do you realize how absurd this question is?? The Constitution was written to LIMIT the government and PROTECT individual rights. The government HAS NO RIGHTS TO TAKE.

So many people have no clue when it comes to our freedoms...

AngelaTC wrote:

If ROn Paul is elected, he is committed to using our troops on our borders to stop the invasion of America. I support that.

Once_A_Democrat is correct, Ron Paul does not support using the military for border security. In fact he has voted against it on numerous occasions:

Voted against authorizing the use of the military to assist in border control functions in 2005

Rep. Paul voted against the H. Amdt. 206 to H.R. 1815. The amendment authorizes the Secretary of Defense to assign members of the military, under certain circumstances, to assist the Bureau of Border Security and U.S. Customs Service of the Department of Homeland Security on preventing the entry of terrorists, drug traffickers, and illegal aliens into the United States The amendment, sponsored by Rep. Goode of Virginia, passed the House by a vote of 245-184.

Voted against authorizing the use of the military to assist in border control functions in 2004

Rep. Paul voted against the Goode Amendment to H.R. 4200, to authorize the Secretary of Defense to assign members of the military, under certain circumstances, to assist the Department of Homeland Security in the performance of border control functions. The Goode Amendment passed the House by a vote of 231-191.

Voted against using the military to assist in border control functions in 2003

Rep. Paul voted AGAINST the Goode Amendment to H.R. 1588, to authorize members of the military, under certain circumstances, to assist the Department of Homeland Security in the performance of border control functions. The Goode Amendment passed the House by a vote of 250-179.

Voted against authorizing the use of the military to assist in border control efforts in 2002

Rep. Paul voted against H. Amdt. 479 to H.R. 4546, the Department of Defense Authorization bill. The amendment authorized the Secretary of Defense to assign members of the military, under certain circumstances, to assist the Bureau of Border Security and U.S. Customs Service of the Department of Homeland Security on preventing the entry of terrorists, drug traffickers, and illegal aliens into the United States The amendment, sponsored by Rep. Goode of Virginia, passed the House by a vote of 232-183.

Voted AGAINST authorizing troops on the border in 2001.

Rep. Paul voted not to enforce the border by voting AGAINST the Traficant amendment to HR 2586. This amendment authorized the Attorney General and the Secretary of the Treasury, to request that members of the Armed Forces assist the INS with border control duties. The Traficant amendment passed by a vote of 242 to 173, but this measure was never considered by the Senate.

Voted in 2000 against authorizing troops on the border.

Rep. Paul voted AGAINST enforcing the border by opposing the Traficant amendment to H.R.4205. This amendment authorizes the Secretary of Defense to assign, under certain circumstances, members of the Armed Forces to assist the INS with border control duties. The Traficant amendment passed by a vote of 243 to 183, but the Clinton Administration never chose to exercise this power

Voted against authorizing the use of troops on the border in 1999

Rep. Paul voted against the Trafficant Amendment to H.R. 1401. This amendment authorized the Secretary of Defense, under certain circumstances, to assign members of the Armed Forces to assist the Border Patrol and Customs Service only in drug interdiction and counter terrorism activities along our borders. The Traficant amendment passed by a vote of 242 to 181.

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Originally Posted by Once_A_Democrat

Originally Posted by AngelaTC

If ROn Paul is elected, he is committed to using our troops on our borders to stop the invasion of America. I support that.

Sorry You don't where RP stands by making the above statement.

You can't make statements here just out of the blue. Most here know better

Our Military on the border is not even an issue, we don't need Military on the border, does everyone think the the border patrol and the National guard are so enept, come on.... Give them the ability to do their job and they will close the border, don't prosecute and throw them in jail for 10 years for doing their job.

NO our problem is our government does not want the border closed, its all very clear and plain as day.

AngelaTC wrote:

The bigger issue is that the Constitution doesn't even give the federal government the right to regulate drugs.

For goodness sakes, the U.S. Constitution was written in 1787 and ratified on June 21, 1788. Does anyone actually think our founding fathers could have possbily anticpated absolutely every issue the country would eventually be faced with? The Constitution doesn't attempt to mandate to much. Basically, that's the beauty of it (brevity). However, the original fathers of our country were intelligent enough to know that adjustments to the document would have to be made in future years. Therefore, rules were set in place for the inclusion of Constitutional Amendments.

Allowing each individual state to regulate all drugs as they see fit wouldn't be a good idea. Can you imagine what would happen if California was the only state that decided to legalize all controlled substances and illegal drugs? Geez, not only would you have millions of illegal immigrants living in California, you would also have them sharing their neighborhoods with cocain snorting freaks, pot heads, acid droppers, etc., etc. Of course it would also create a situation where California would have to invade Texas, New Mexico, and Nevada just to make room for their increased population.

Originally Posted by MW

Can you imagine what would happen if California was the only state that decided to legalize all controlled substances and illegal drugs? Geez, not only would you have millions of illegal immigrants living in California, you would also have them sharing their neighborhoods with cocain snorting freaks, pot heads, acid droppers, etc., etc.

That's not happening ALREADY???