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    Civil War Brewing? Thoughts Three Years Later

    It seems only right that someone announce true reality on the third anniversary of this war that has been, and continues to be SO WRONG. The costs from any perspective are staggering, and there is no end in sight, the only plan presented to the American people a oft repeated, "stay the course, we will persevere." That is NO WAR PLAN.



    There is no doubt that we are looking at a long term financial bill from this war in excess of two trillion dollars, probably much closer to three.

    Over 2300 of America's finest came home in boxes that we are NOT ALLOWED TO SEE, the flag draped coffins I suppose to much of a reminder of the true costs of war. Another 16,000 plus soldiers are maimed, missing arms, legs, their eye sight, and in many cases their minds...how many more family members now carry wounds and scars that do not get reported, are not counted as a part of the cost of this wrong war? Is it right not to factor in the children who no longer have a mom or dad, or have one that is not really there any more?

    Over 500,000 of our Armed forces have so far done time in the desert sands, some forty percent of them returning home suffering from some level of PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder), seeking counseling carefully in the hopes of avoiding the shame the military attaches to it, trying to avoid the label of being weak. How many family members are also seeking counseling, how many of them are recieving none where much is needed?



    I think of these things, and I hold a great hatred towards the Republican Third Reich, King George and the ignorants who put them in, and keep them in office.

    Are the Democrats any better...they could be no worse, and there is no doubt that the past year would have shaped a different war had Kerry gotten elected. Government regulations have our IRA's all but tied up until we are 59, but if I could take our money without penalty and run, think I would gladly abandon our life here in America and move to some place far away, choosing not to be a part of a nation that has gone so far off course.

    Sad...I don't want to be here any more, would rather pick and choose another place which I could call home, even if deep inside my heart America would always be the land of the home and the brave, instead of a cesspool of lies, and the land of opportunity only if you are and illegal alien here to steal a citizens job and way of life.

    Bring our troops home Mr. Bush, let them spend a couple of years rounding up illegals, manning detention camps till unwanted's can be sent back to where they belong. You want a war, you have one right here at home, though you refuse to deal with it in any significant and FAIR WAY.

    The Senate seems poised to pass legislation that clears the decks to make 15, even 20 million illegal aliens and their families legalized American citizens, it's Amnesty no matter how you present you basket full of lies. Securing our borders along this nations Southern edge not with a fence but by the stroke of a pen as the middle class life is given away for some myriad scheme or dubious political pack of lies. Iraq is a hornets nest, a civil war waiting to erupt, and for those who watch carefully, a twin to America where hostilities are growing towards another war of a different type as we fight along class lines to preserve a middle class that Bush seems to want to destroy and wipe out.

    Curious how many others sit weeping as we watch the line draw in the sand, how many of us know what is happening, how many of us really even care? We are running out of time, the hour is growing late...What will be your excuse when the life you knew is no more, will you sit with the huddled masses saying to yourself, "I wish I had done more"?

    SAY NO TO AMNESTY...SAY NO TO GUEST WORKER plans while you still have a chance.
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    HR 4437 Vote

    Republicans: 203 AYES and 17 NOES (11 did not vote)
    Democrats: 36 AYES and 164 NOES (2 did not vote)

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    It is estimated that over 6.5 million additional illegal aliens have been allowed into this country under George W. Bush and his Republican Third Reich, it is the Republican controlled Senate that is about to pass a guest worker plan leading to Amnesty.

    Question thus becomes for most Middle Class Americans, are you willing to fight to preserve your way of life, or instead will you be content to sit back and let your fate be handed to you on a silver platter while browsing through the latest Walmart circular?

    The time for phone calls and letter writing is over, it is time for serious action, time for Marches on our state houses, our elected officials local offices, and a March on Washington, DC.

    Read the statisitcs...middle class wages have remained stagnant now for over 20 years, and last year we had a verifiable drop. Husbands and wives now both work, some two jobs just to maintain the status quo, and though this administration has created jobs, all of those jobs pay FAR LESS than the ones we used to have as undocumented workers depress our wages and steal our way of life.

    Recently in the news media, some have been saying that the Democrats need to grow a back bone...curious, could it be time for the Middle Class to grow a back bone, find a spine and take back what is rightfully ours, The United States of America?
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    it is the Republican controlled Senate that is about to pass a guest worker plan leading to Amnesty.
    Is it actually Republican controlled? Seems to me that these people can't even control themselves, much less the senate. Many are controlled these days by puppet strings.
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    Junius:

    There is an article in todays Washington Post wherein the lobbyist are saying the new lobbying reforms are nothing more than a scant nuisance, and that they have already mapped out ways to get around them. In light of that reality, do we really even live in a democracy any more, are our politicians bought and paid for long before we get a chance to pull the lever and place our vote?

    Trust me, preaching to the choir on this one.

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    From what I can see, the Senate, for the most part is bought and paid for. The Presidency is a purchased job. I don't see anything that makes me believe otherwise.

    The House of Representatives, since they are more apt to have to look the voters in the eye and since there are fewer voters, and therefore it is harder to rig an election and less likely to have the impact if they took the risk, may be half way straight. I don't like my rep because he is pro-illegal alien but he does try to work with the voters in this area, who are also pro-illegal alien since a pretty fair percentage of them are blood relatives of illegal aliens.

    I'm hoping that we can reverse the trend for the purchased senate seats starting in 2006. We will have to keep our eyes and ears open and do a whole lot of comparing notes in order to accomplish this. Some of these senators are already talking as if their incumbancy is a sure thing. We have got to show them otherwise and we have got to start now to do that.

    If we can get a third of those senators out of there, and then at least another third in 2008, there will be fewer crooked politicians for the two major parties to pick from the next time around. No matter who the Republicans run this time, unless it is Tom Tancredo himself, I won't vote for a Republican President. And the Democrats have nobody worth a pimple on Tancredo's behind from what I can see. Still, I don't doubt that someone is going to "Buy" the presidency at least one more time before we can make the changes we need.

    The lobbyists need to be thrown out on their ear, even if it means that the general public has to dig up every speck of dirt they can find on these people and expose it all. Make them look more corrupt than they are, if possible.
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    Janius....that is the problem with Politics and the lower and middle class. They allow their interests to be bought out by the rich and elite because they do not realize the power of numbers.

    You got maybe 225 million people in this nation that are not rich...if each one of them tossed into one hundred bucks, the rich people could not compete...but alas, we fret about what is wrong with the system, and in the final analogy allow ourselves to be screwed.
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    I am starting to think that the troops will NEVER be brought home.

    Why? a few reasons:


    1. America's best and brightest,(those most willing to fight) have to be kept overseas ,in a war they aren't allowed to win, so they will:

    A. Get killed

    OR

    B. Have their morale, and will to fight, smashed completely, to make them passive/defeated/apathetic, so they wont resist the N.W.O., and the turd-world invasion , should they EVER return home.

    OR

    C. NOT hang all our politicians on the gallows, for allowing the country to morph into something unrecognizable to the troops.




    If the troops came tomorrow, they would join, by the thousands, into Minutemen groups, no doubt.

    Guarding our Southern border would be like going on vacation ,for our fierce warriors.

    Our spineless "leaders" probably fear what would happen, should the military men enter civilian life again, MORE than they fear the alien invasion.



    The troops cannot be brought home until:


    A. 100 million more aliens invade, making removal impossible.

    B. The Nation Guard, and Army Reserve arsenals have fallen into foreign hands.

    C. Our government leaders are well hidden in their bunkers, insulating them from the brewing civil war.




    -pa

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    I don't know about you guys, but Iran worries me more than Iraq right now. I want our troops home, the killing stopped, and the problems here in our country(mostly the illegal invasion), taken care of. All I have heard on TV news this week is about Iran, nuclear weapons, and the Strike First(is that right?) thing. We don't need another war, especially with Iran!
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    Janius....that is the problem with Politics and the lower and middle class. They allow their interests to be bought out by the rich and elite because they do not realize the power of numbers.

    You got maybe 225 million people in this nation that are not rich...if each one of them tossed into one hundred bucks, the rich people could not compete...but alas, we fret about what is wrong with the system, and in the final analogy allow ourselves to be screwed.
    PintoBean, I don't think it would even take a hundred bucks. I think twenty-five from everyone would do it. And that is what I think needs to be done, to be quite honest. I stand ready to take my lunch to work for however many weeks it takes to send that money to every single candidate who I think is worthy. If we miss one dinner out per month, there's another 30 or 40. This can be done and, if you think about it, the sacrifice isn't that drastic.

    But one thing is certain, if anyone gives so much as a dime to either major party as opposed to the actual individual they want to be in office, they are making a big mistake.
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