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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    Camp Fire was named after Camp Creek Road, the location where the fire started. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airbornesapper07 View Post
    I think this one says it all. It takes a lot of bravery to fight this monster!

    Unbelievable. This has to be stopped.
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    Fox is reporting the death toll is now at 42 with 102 people still unaccounted for. Awful. Unbelievable something like this can happen as often as it does in California. Trump is right to be outspoken about this, this is not the "new abnormal" that Governor Brown says will be going on for decades, this is the tragic result of a careless and irresponsible combination of activity and inactivity. There has to be different rules and guidelines to prevent this. No sensible person can accept this as just the way it is now. This has to be stopped.
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    California's gross mismanagement of clearing the brush, repairing their dams, rebuilding their roads and infrastructure. They have not built more reservoirs. They will NOT be prepared for the next rains and floods that will follow.

    There will be massive mud slides and more destruction. And the big one hasn't hit yet...the earthquakes!

    If Yosemite and Kings Canyon goes up in flames it will take decades for it to come back.

    They are hell bent on paying for illegal aliens, kicking their citizens to the curb and turning the entire state into Blue Tarp City full of homeless and diseases while taxing everything to death!

    Billions of taxpayer money diverted to pay for illegals...not spent on taking care of their State or their citizens.

    Every Democrat run state is run into the ground.

    Tragic!
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    Oh please, if he didn't have empathy for the victims, he wouldn't be tweeting from Paris demanding solutions to this unbelievably unacceptable situation. Donald Trump is the most truly caring and loving President our country has ever had, which is why he is no nonsense when it comes to solving the problems that are hurting and killing our people. He wants to FIX IT, not accept it as a "new abnormal" like Moron Jerry Brown, Governor of California, and yes every other DemoQuack in the country, and yes, even the RepublicanTrump Haters.
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    President Trump's tweet on California wildfires angers firefighters, celebrities

    By Amir Vera, CNN
    Updated 3:29 PM ET, Mon November 12, 2018

    (CNN)President Donald Trump's tweet blaming "gross mismanagement" for the devastating California wildfires is sparking a backlash from top firefighters' associations, politicians and celebrities.

    In a series of tweets Saturday, Trump said the state's deadly wildfires are a result of poor forest management and threatened to cut federal aid.

    "There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor," Trump tweeted. "Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!"

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    He doubled down Sunday in another tweet, again blaming forest management.

    "With proper Forest Management, we can stop the devastation constantly going on in California. Get smart!" Trump tweeted.

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    Official: Tweet is 'ill-informed'

    Trump's first tweet drew the ire of the leaders of firefighters' organizations, who accused the President of bringing politics into a devastating disaster.

    The Camp Fire in Northern California has killed 23 people and burned 108,000 acres. The Woolsey Fire near Los Angeles has killed at least two and has scorched 83,275 acres. The Hill fire in Ventura County has ravaged 4,531 acres.



    As California fires rage, officials start grim search for the dead in blackened ruins


    "His comments are reckless and insulting to the firefighters and people being affected," said Harold Schaitberger, president of the International Association of Fire Fighters.

    The president of the California Professional Firefighters said the message is an attack on some of the people fighting the devastating fires.


    "The President's message attacking California and threatening to withhold aid to the victims of the cataclysmic fires is ill-informed, ill-timed and demeaning to those who are suffering as well as the men and women on the front lines," Brian K. Rice said.


    "In my view, this shameful attack on California is an attack on all our courageous men and women on the front lines."

    Rice also said Trump's assertion that California's forest management policies are to blame "is dangerously wrong."

    "Wildfires are sparked and spread not only in forested areas but in populated areas and open fields fueled by parched vegetation, high winds, low humidity and geography," he said.


    'Fires do not respect politics'


    State Sen. Henry Stern, a Democrat from Los Angeles, said fires aren't about politics or jurisdictions.

    "Fires do not respect politics, though, so I would beg the President to pursue a major disaster declaration and not make this a political incident," Stern said. "We have many parties, many views out here, and it's really not about politics, it is about people."


    A number of celebrities also responded to Trump's tweet Saturday.


    "This is an absolutely heartless response," singer Katy Perry tweeted. "There aren't even politics involved. Just good American families losing their homes as you tweet, evacuating into shelters."

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    Actor Leonardo DiCaprio also weighed in, blaming the fires on climate change.

    "The reason these wildfires have worsened is because of climate change and a historic drought," he tweeted. "Helping victims and fire relief efforts in our state should not be a partisan issue."


    In between Trump's tweets blaming forest management, he also paid tribute to those affected by the fire.


    "More than 4,000 are fighting the Camp and Woolsey Fires in California that have burned over 170,000 acres," Trump tweeted. "Our hearts are with those fighting the fires ... The destruction is catastrophic. God Bless them all."

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    Utility emailed woman about problems 1 day before fire

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    By MARTHA MENDOZA and GARANCE BURKE
    November 13, 2018 08:22 AM


    PULGA, Calif. (AP) ó A day before a deadly blaze destroyed a California town, the giant utility Pacific Gas & Electric Co. got in touch with Betsy Ann Cowley, saying they needed access to her property because their power lines were causing sparks.


    The cause of the fire that killed at least 42 people is still under investigation. What is known is that it started Thursday near Cowley's property in the tiny town of Pulga, incinerated the neighboring town of Paradise and killed dozens of people.

    On Monday, fire investigators declared the area surrounding power lines on Cowley's property, in an oak-filled canyon, a crime scene. Security guards would not let PG&E inspectors pass.


    Cowley said she was on vacation last Wednesday when she got a surprise email from PG&E. Details of that exchange, described to The Associated Press, combined with the utility's track record in California wildfire history has again brought the company under scrutiny.

    The email said that crews needed to come to her property to work on the high-power lines, Cowley said. PG&E told her "they were having problems with sparks," she said. They visited her property but she said she wasn't there Wednesday and was not aware of their findings.


    Cowley was back at the property Monday and expressed gratitude at finding most of the 65 structures on it still standing, just a few hundred feet from the crime scene where investigators worked to determine what had happened to spark the massive fire.


    The former landscaper bought Pulga, an abandoned and decrepit historic gold prospecting town, in 2015 and embarked on a project that transformed it into a picturesque private destination.

    She cleared overgrown brush, patched up buildings and added new ones. With Bay Area artists and architects, she recreated a town, complete with a stage and school house. And then, a year ago, she opened for business, renting out Pulga for corporate retreats.


    As she reached the site of her own home, she raised her hand to her cheek.


    "It's gone," she said. 'That's where all my stuff was, but it's not there anymore."


    She paused and picked up a mug that somehow had survived the inferno. "It's OK," Cowley told herself quietly. "It's OK."


    PG&E declined to discuss the email it sent Cowley with AP, saying it has provided an "initial electric incident report" with state regulators and will fully cooperate with any investigations.


    Publicly, PG&E has said it experienced a problem on an electrical transmission line near the site of the massive fire, minutes before the blaze broke out.


    In its Friday filing to the state Public Utilities Commission, it said it had detected an outage on an electrical transmission line near the site of the blaze. It said a subsequent aerial inspection detected damage to a transmission tower on the line.


    The area where CalFire says the blaze started, and where PG&E says sparks were detected on Cowley's property is roughly the same, according to an AP reporter at the site.


    The utility, which has been criticized and sued in a number of other large and deadly fires across California, had announced before the blaze started that it might shut down power in nine counties, including Butte County where Pulga and Paradise are, because of extreme fire danger. But it never did.


    Later Thursday, PG&E said it had decided against a power cut because weather conditions did not warrant one.


    State Sen. Jerry Hill, a Redwood City Democrat and longtime critic of the utility, called the report of troubles on PG&E's lines in the area extremely worrisome.


    "If PG&E is found responsible for burning down the state again, at some point we have to say enough is enough and we have to ask should this company be allowed to do business in California?" Hill said.

    "These fires take a spark, and at least in the last few years fires have been caused by negligent behavior by PG&E. We need to see how we can hold them responsible, or look at alternative way of doing business."


    California utility regulators are working with CalFire staff on their own, separate investigation into whether PG&E complied with state rules and regulations in areas that were torched in the fire.


    The California Public Utilities Commission will be evaluating PG&E's maintenance of their facilities, vegetation management and emergency preparedness and response, said commission spokeswoman Terrie Prosper.


    This is not the first time PG&E's management practices have come under question in the drought-stricken state.


    In 2014, regulators ordered the state's investor-owned utilities to set priorities for inspecting and removing dead and sick trees near their power lines, warning that "climate change has facilitated and exacerbated numerous wildfires" that have damaged and threatened their facilities.


    But after a wildfire killed two people, destroyed 475 homes and scorched 70,000 acres in the Sierra Nevada foothills the following year, homeowners and their attorneys questioned whether PG&E had done enough to clear dry trees flanking its power lines. In 2016, Cal Fire ultimately found PG&E was responsible for that fire, after tree maintenance by PG&E and its contractors led to a tree falling on a power line.


    Investigators have determined that PG&E equipment started several of the 2017 wildfires in Northern California wine country that killed 44 people.

    The company says it expects to pay more than $2.5 billion.

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