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    All this talk about this issue is over for me. The only things that matter to me anymore about this is

    Why is the Judge not taking this case urgently!!! PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY STARTED VOTING FOR OBAMA!!!!!

    What and Who is behind this conspiracy?

    WE HERE KNOW EVERY FACT ABOUT THIS CASE AND WE KNOW THAT ALL THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IS FOR HIM TO JUST HAND OVER THE DOCUMENTS!!

    WHERE IS THE ACTION!!!!!!! WHERE IS THE MEDIA!!!!!!
    THIS IS A LEGITIMATE LAWSUIT!!!!!!

    THE POINT IS THAT WE ARE WATCHING THE ELITES WIPE THEIR BUTTS WITH THE CONSTITUTION AND FLUSH IT AWAY, THEN WE ASK THEM IF THEY WANT A TOWEL TO DRY THEIR HANDS!!!!

    I for one am sick of being told to shut up give me your money and butt out by govt and media!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 93camaro
    All this talk about this issue is over for me. The only things that matter to me anymore about this is

    Why is the Judge not taking this case urgently!!! PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY STARTED VOTING FOR OBAMA!!!!!

    What and Who is behind this conspiracy?

    WE HERE KNOW EVERY FACT ABOUT THIS CASE AND WE KNOW THAT ALL THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IS FOR HIM TO JUST HAND OVER THE DOCUMENTS!!

    WHERE IS THE ACTION!!!!!!! WHERE IS THE MEDIA!!!!!!
    THIS IS A LEGITIMATE LAWSUIT!!!!!!

    THE POINT IS THAT WE ARE WATCHING THE ELITES WIPE THEIR BUTTS WITH THE CONSTITUTION AND FLUSH IT AWAY, THEN WE ASK THEM IF THEY WANT A TOWEL TO DRY THEIR HANDS!!!!

    I for one am sick of being told to shut up give me your money and butt out by govt and media!!!
    I too want to know why the judge does not seem to have a sense of urgency in this matter. It is obvious he is not prepared to simply dismiss the case or he would have done that a month ago.
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    Obama and friends file another motion to dismiss:

    http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/di ... 281573/20/
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    WHEN IS THE MAJOR MEDIA GOING TO REPORT ON THIS IMPORTANT LAWSUIT???

    WHY ISN'T LOU DOBBS TALKING AND ALL THE REST???
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    Possible Major update on this thread:

    http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-135818-0-da ... rasc-.html
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    McCain was not born in Coco Solo but he was born in Colon Panama and his parents were residing there at the time. This does not make him a natural born citizen as required by Presidencial clause and 1st sentence of 14th amendment. There was a court case about 6 months ago regarding a case between a Fred Hollander v. John McCain and the RNC in U.S. District Court in New Hampshire under case 1:08-CV-00099. The case was challenging John McCain right to run for President because he was not a natural born citizen. Fred Hollander did not win the case because the Court ruled that he did not have standing to bring the lawsuit. However, there were several rulings that came of the court decision. One was that McCain was a native born citizen of Panama and a naturalized citizen of the United States. Another was that due to many court decision the Canal Zone was never sovereign territory of the United States. If you read the actual Hays-Banau Varilla treaty under sections two and three you will see why the ruling in the Courts was that the United States was never sovereign in the Canal Zone and that Panama City and Colon were not part of the Treaty grant which by the way is known as the treaty that Panama never signed. Part of the evidence was a certified birth certificate which Fred got from the President of the Panama Railroad showing that McCain was born at the Colon Hospital and part of the evidence is a statement of birth in Spanish and the certification which consists of 4 pages. The Conclusion of the case is on another 6 pages and all this listed under document number 20. The very important section of decision is under section 9.The documents can be secured from a government website at https://ecf.nhd.uscourts.gov.

    Soooo, technically according to all the posts I have read here about "natrualized citizens" McCain should be deported.
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    Actually, McCain is an American Citizen by birth because both of his parents are American Citizens and where he was born does not effect his citizenship. So even though some of us would like for it to happen, he's not deportation material. However, Obama might be.

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    Obama 'admits' Kenyan birth?
    Campaign doesn't respond to claims in lawsuit over birth certificate

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    Posted: October 21, 2008
    9:22 pm Eastern


    By Drew Zahn
    © 2008 WorldNetDaily

    Pennsylvania Democrat Philip J. Berg, who filed a lawsuit demanding Sen. Barack Obama present proof of his American citizenship, now says that by failing to respond Obama has legally "admitted" to the lawsuit's accusations, including the charge that the Democratic candidate was born in Mombosa, Kenya.

    As WND reported, Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court in August, alleging that Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus ineligible to serve as president of the United States. Though Obama has posted an image of a Hawaii birth certificate online, Berg demands that the court verify the original document, which the Obama campaign has not provided.

    Now Berg cites Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter.

    Since Obama has only filed motions to dismiss and has not actually answered the charges in the lawsuit, Berg claims, according to Rule 36, Obama has legally admitted he is not a natural-born citizen.

    Now Berg is asking the court for a formal declaration of Obama's admission and asking the Democratic National Committee for another presidential candidate.

    In a statement released today, Berg argues that he filed Requests for Admissions on Sept. 15, 2008, meaning Obama had until Oct. 15 to answer or face the consequences of Rule 36.

    "Obama and the DNC 'admitted,' by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit," Berg's statement reads. "Obama is 'not qualified' to be president and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for president and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate."


    Berg's original lawsuit leveled several charges at both Obama and the DNC – accusing the former of lying about his place of birth, faking his birth certificate and fraudulently running for office; and accusing the latter of not properly vetting its candidate.

    Though it hasn't given Berg the evidence he seeks, the Obama campaign has publicly answered allegations that the candidate was born in Kenya and faked his Hawaii birth certificate.

    "Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn't have a birth certificate aren't actually about that piece of paper," says the "Fight the Smears" section of Obama's website, "they're about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen.

    "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America," the campaign website states. It also includes images of a Hawaii birth certificate bearing the name Barack Hussein Obama II.

    Berg has also taken the controversy public through his website and through repeated public offers to revoke the lawsuit if Obama will produce legal citizenship-establishing documents.

    Without those documents, Berg has chosen to file two additional motions in district court in Philadelphia. The first asks the court to notify Obama and the DNC of what Berg understands they have now legally "admitted," and the second asks for an expedited ruling, given the quickly upcoming Nov. 4 election.

    "It all comes down to the fact that there's nothing from the other side," Berg told Jeff Schreiber for his blog, America's Right. "The admissions are there. By not filing the answers or objections, the defense has admitted everything. He admits he was born in Kenya. He admits he was adopted in Indonesia. He admits that the documentation posted online is a phony. And he admits that he is constitutionally ineligible to serve as president of the United States."


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    Something doesn't smell right here...this should be a slam dunk if Obama claims he was born in the U.S. Simply produce the original birth certificate and the matter could be closed. But....? Does this not alarm anyone else?


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    Obama 'admits' Kenyan birth?
    Campaign doesn't respond to claims in lawsuit over birth certificate

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    Posted: October 21, 2008
    9:22 pm Eastern


    By Drew Zahn
    © 2008 WorldNetDaily

    Pennsylvania Democrat Philip J. Berg, who filed a lawsuit demanding Sen. Barack Obama present proof of his American citizenship, now says that by failing to respond Obama has legally "admitted" to the lawsuit's accusations, including the charge that the Democratic candidate was born in Mombosa, Kenya.

    As WND reported, Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court in August, alleging that Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus ineligible to serve as president of the United States. Though Obama has posted an image of a Hawaii birth certificate online, Berg demands that the court verify the original document, which the Obama campaign has not provided.

    Now Berg cites Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter.

    Since Obama has only filed motions to dismiss and has not actually answered the charges in the lawsuit, Berg claims, according to Rule 36, Obama has legally admitted he is not a natural-born citizen.

    Now Berg is asking the court for a formal declaration of Obama's admission and asking the Democratic National Committee for another presidential candidate.

    In a statement released today, Berg argues that he filed Requests for Admissions on Sept. 15, 2008, meaning Obama had until Oct. 15 to answer or face the consequences of Rule 36.

    "Obama and the DNC 'admitted,' by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit," Berg's statement reads. "Obama is 'not qualified' to be president and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for president and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate."


    Berg's original lawsuit leveled several charges at both Obama and the DNC – accusing the former of lying about his place of birth, faking his birth certificate and fraudulently running for office; and accusing the latter of not properly vetting its candidate.

    Though it hasn't given Berg the evidence he seeks, the Obama campaign has publicly answered allegations that the candidate was born in Kenya and faked his Hawaii birth certificate.

    "Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn't have a birth certificate aren't actually about that piece of paper," says the "Fight the Smears" section of Obama's website, "they're about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen.

    "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America," the campaign website states. It also includes images of a Hawaii birth certificate bearing the name Barack Hussein Obama II.

    Berg has also taken the controversy public through his website and through repeated public offers to revoke the lawsuit if Obama will produce legal citizenship-establishing documents.

    Without those documents, Berg has chosen to file two additional motions in district court in Philadelphia. The first asks the court to notify Obama and the DNC of what Berg understands they have now legally "admitted," and the second asks for an expedited ruling, given the quickly upcoming Nov. 4 election.

    "It all comes down to the fact that there's nothing from the other side," Berg told Jeff Schreiber for his blog, America's Right. "The admissions are there. By not filing the answers or objections, the defense has admitted everything. He admits he was born in Kenya. He admits he was adopted in Indonesia. He admits that the documentation posted online is a phony. And he admits that he is constitutionally ineligible to serve as president of the United States."


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    Texas Born, I am very concerned about this. Winning on a technicality will increase the emotional backlash from Obama supporters. On another thread somebody suggested that Obama's citizenship my have been a surprise for him too, a dark family secret that he is just finding out the magnitude of. I don't believe for one minute his sole reason for going to Hawaii is his sick grandmother.
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