The Paleocon Dilemma…

The Paleocon Dilemma…

The Ron Paul campaign illustrates the choices facing the antiwar Right.
by W. James Antle III

Ron Paul isn’t just running for president. The antiwar 10-term congressman from Texas hopes that as titular head of the Republican Party, he can nudge the Right in a less interventionist direction, both at home and abroad. In fact, reviving an older, less reflexively hawkish conservatism may even be a more important motivation for Paul’s long-shot campaign than actually capturing the GOP nomination.

There’s just one problem: the movement Paul is trying to lead, or at least influence, is filled with people who think he is some kind of crazed left-wing radical. The popular conservative website RedState.com has effectively banned Paul supporters from signing up as commenters and promoting their candidate, partly on the grounds that such people are liberal Democrats merely pretending to be Republicans. FreeRepublic.com founder Jim Robinson, whose website was once more open to constitutionalists than Republican boosters, asserted that “Paul equals Hillary on the War.â€

Ron Paul is handing the primaries to McCain and Huckabee
The people who vote for Paul are splitting the vote
When McChuck wins...it is Paul's syphon that is draining the anti-illegal vote

Ron Paul's message is scaring someone, isn't it.

No, he isn't giving the election or nomination to anyone - people are free to vote for whatever person they choose.

It is scaring the media and those in power that people from every age group, political leanings, financial status, etc., are listening to the message and it makes sense.

They can't really label him right wing - left wing - so what do they do - they call him a kook. They trot out people who support him that are a little flaky. I wonder how many other candidates have a few flakes in their supporters roster. Actually, I wonder how we would feel if we really knew who was supporting the others.

These hit pieces that can't really find a target are kinda odd.

Did anyone see the altercation last night between
Paul supporters and Sean Hannity ?

And then you wonder why some people think what they do

People can vote for whoever they want..
but right now it looks like it is McCain/Obama
If the Paul supporters can accept that..
Then the Republican party will lose in 08 because most of the Republican who vote for Tancredo/Hunter/Thompson/Romney will not vote
I will stay home because I dont' see any difference between McCain who will wreck the entire world and Obama who will wreck the United States
Most Independents will not vote for a WarHawk like McCain

"and Obama who will wreck the United States"


There is no way he will ever be elected , its just not
going to happen

OK, people can vote for whom they want - or choose to not vote - that is their choice.

The fact that Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter, or any of them are running doesn't mean it will be their fault who wins.

As for the altercation between Hannity and the Paul supporters, I don't like those kinds of things - but then I'm not a protest person and I'm not a very demonstrative supporter. But why is their behavior any worse than that of the media that has used its power to attempt to sway this election or exclude candidates before there is the first primary, or brand someone a kook, or unwinnable - or any other thing. There is no difference.

I guess the media is so calm, so rational sounding, with good looking men/women in nice clothing - but they are doing the same thing the Paul supporters are - pushing an agenda.

"But my goodness, Honey, we can't vote for Ron Paul - I mean Hannity thinks he's a kook, and some of his supporters are pretty boisterious - and what WILL the neighbors think!"

Don't count on Obama not getting elected -

We are in the primaries and now is the time to
support your guy

But just keep in mind that if we don't get it right
this time , we may not have another chance

We may not get another chance
No One is more disappointed, angry, disillusioned by the Media electing Presidents than I am...
NO ONE has more CONTEMPT for the entire media and American Political process than I do..after seeing what the media is doing to every decent Republican candidate..Thompson..Paul ...Hunter..Tancredo
I supported Tancredo..
Yes I know about the Media..the distortions..the lies ...outright electioneering and fraud perpetrated on the American public..
But the choice is going to be..Obama McCain if we don't make some hard decisions here..
There are many democrats who are voting for McCain in the primaries because they know he will lose..
This is dirty politics...and being "idealistic" about Paul is fine and noble
Vote for whomever you want ..just know the score..

I think Obama is the very worst of the entire field.

I also think if we don't elect someone who has different ideas - and for me tha'ts Paul - or who is serious on immigation - that's Paul or Hunter - it won't matter who is elected.

With the others, we will have the same old thing - with Obama, it might be escalated - but all the rest are the same flavor - The Agenda wins no matter.

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Originally Posted by xyz

People can vote for whoever they want..
but right now it looks like it is McCain/Obama
If the Paul supporters can accept that..
Then the Republican party will lose in 08 because most of the Republican who vote for Tancredo/Hunter/Thompson/Romney will not vote
I will stay home because I dont' see any difference between McCain who will wreck the entire world and Obama who will wreck the United States
Most Independents will not vote for a WarHawk like McCain

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but right now it looks like it is McCain/Obama

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What did i miss something ???
See silly me I thought just three states had had primary so far
xyz what do ya think friend
will Mich> pick obama too ??? this time round

I think the media is running the show..
Already the illegal immigration movement is being hurt by early "wins" for Amnesty supporters..
If McCain wins in New Hampshire and Huck won in Iowa..then either one of them could win South Carolina..Michigan ..I don't know..I dont' know anything about Michigan..except Obama will win in Detroit..

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Originally Posted by xyz

I think the media is running the show..
Already the illegal immigration movement is being hurt by early "wins" for Amnesty supporters..
If McCain wins in New Hampshire and Huck won in Iowa..then either one of them could win South Carolina..Michigan ..I don't know..I dont' know anything about Michigan..except Obama will win in Detroit..

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dems are not in Michigans primary

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Originally Posted by xyz

Ron Paul is handing the primaries to McCain and Huckabee
The people who vote for Paul are splitting the vote

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So what, Rudy, McCain, and Huckabee are splitting the pro-illegal vote. When two of them drop out you might have a case, but not until then.

Yeah Bowman..
Romney is splitting the vote..Ron Paul is splitting the vote..
It is not my point...
I know very little about Michigan but in the end..whoever is the Republican Candidate will have to win against the Democrat..
The point that the Republican nomination must give weight to that contest..while supporting Paul, Hunter, Thompson, Romney ..in the primaries is the point I am making..Ron Paul has support among the independents..He is a viable candidate but...
Who can win the General must be part of my evaluation of the candidates..
I would vote for Tancredo..so right now I don't have a candidate..

Let's get one thing straight. Ron Paul is not racist. If he was he wouldn't be for legal immigration, now would he. You all keep saying he's for H1b visas, so how does that equate to being racist. He certainly wouldn't want "foreigners" coming here if he was.

This article is trying to describe Paul as a goofball. The facts are that he is one of the few conservatives left in our government. Someone who believes in the Constitution, Something I might add, that George Bush kept saying he was, then changed his tune once he was elected. Ron Paul has common sense views on how to get this country back on track. There's certainly nothing "goofy" about that. Now, it's getting nastier with people like the one who wrote this article, by trying to paint average American voters as goofballs, too.

There are some here who keep saying we have to pick someone we don't really want because we can't allow a Democrat in the White House or a Republican who will support amnesty. It isn't going to matter! Doesn't anyone get that? Regardless of who we vote for, Romney included, it will be business as usual!

Ron Paul is tagged as "ggofy" because he wants us to get out of this war (which isn't really a war at all) You want to keep paying high prices for gas? You want to sit here and keep watching your groceries go up? You want the Board of Education to keep sucking away at the dollars that are supposed to be used to educate your children? You want to keep giving these foreign countries our hard earned dollars just so they can turn around and make themselves strong to come after us? You want to keep seeing your paycheck shrink and the income tax go up? You want to keep seeing the value of the dollar drop so low you can't afford to even buy a cup of coffee? I don't.

None of these losers are going to do a damn thing about any of these things.

Now all of the above is strictly my opinion. I am not telling anyone who to vote for. All I'm saying is I'm not going to be personally responsible this time for putting the same kind back in the White House, then compalin later that the government is sticking it to me again.

As for all this negative posting on Ron Paul, I think it's silly, and not very productive.

Tiny or Bob

You said a mouthful.

If we vote for any of the ones that are palatable to the media - it doesn't matter the party.

There has been no difference partywise in 50 years. The global agenda, the deconstruction of America has moved right along under both parties - because the leaders are picked by The Agenda.

It really, really should be apparent if we are going to fix anything here - we will have to take a hard turn in this road. We can't just continue doing the same thing we are doing and expect different results.

It is just that simple. There is no other way to look at it. You might want to line up behind one of the chosen ones, just because you want to back a winner - but you and America will be the looser.

If we are to win - WE must pick the winner - not the media and not The Agenda.

Why is that so hard to see?

Thanks, nntrixie, I'm glad you see the bigger picture like I do. I sincerely feel that unless we make a drastic change in the White House and start voting for Congress members who want to go back to using the Constitution, we will fall. That Constitution was not drawn up for the government, but to protect the American people from the government. These losers in politics know that "g---- piece of paper" doesn't benefit them, and that's why they don't adhere to it. Yes, we may suffer another 4 years with the wrong one in the White House, but in the meantime maybe more people will wake up and vote for our Constitution the next time.