Thread: Paul Not Co-sponsor of SAVE ACT

Originally Posted by apropos

Originally Posted by Chosen

I don't mean this to sound negative, but unfortunately it is... I simply don't think we have that much longer. We are experiencing the final stages of a 50 year long collectivist end game. The illegals are simply the stupid thug portion, ethnic nationalist socialists make for good balkanizers.

2012 in my opinion, will be an irrelavent election. B. Hussein Obama will damage this country severly.

Fortune cookie says: things are never as good or as bad as you think. For what it's worth.

If Paul doesn't support the Save Act, his stance will probably have roots in his ardent belief for the free market economy and the role of government as outlined in the Constitution. He may end up supporting it...he may not.

WHHHHHHHHAT????????????

Originally Posted by apropos

If Paul doesn't support the Save Act, his stance will probably have roots in his ardent belief for the free market economy and the role of government as outlined in the Constitution. He may end up supporting it...he may not.

No. His stance on the Save Act is spelled out in what I mentioned earlier:

The Libertarian Party states this on illegal immigration:

:
...Repeal all measures that punish employers for hiring undocumented workers...

Taken from their platform stated here (bottom of page):
http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml

Originally Posted by MW

From what I've seen and heard, Ron Paul has never shown an interest in going after the employers of illegal immigrants.

Exactly. You and I have done our darndest to try to tell people exactly this, for what.....8-10 months?

Chosen, Ron Paul is not a Libertarian. He is a Republican.

Check out his site, his stance on illegal immigration, and border issues are spelled out clearly.

It will start soon, the talking heads will be pushing for McCain. There will be no other choice. Ever felt duped? Thrown under the bus? Well get used to it.

Rush has his listeners mezmerized with his brilliance after telling conservitives to cross party lines in TX and OH. So gleeful. Lets see, we conservitives get to pick their canidate, and oh, are'nt we so happy with our canidate McCain.

Seems some talking heads (water boys) do not like a canidate that would follow the Constitution too closely!

Helloooooo............John McCain. (as if we had a choice)

Check out all of the canidates voting records concerning immigration issues. If any come close to Ron Paul.............

Just a little support months ago could have gone along ways.

Hello Hillary, Barack Hussein Obama, McCain!

Wow, how sweet! Now theres easy pickins'

I have misgivings about the SAVE Act too.

Why do we need this Bill ? What we need is for our congress to support the immigration laws we already have instead of spending all this time and energy trying to pass a bill which gives businesses 4 years to clean up their act instead of obeying our present laws which says it is Illegal to hire Illegals.

Plus they passed a bill to add more Border Patrol so why do they need to pass another one since they don't require present laws or amendments be obeyed ?

Why aren't they demanding our present laws be enforced instead ?.

Seems like smoke and mirrors to me and a time waster. We Need Action NOW !

Because USPatriot this bill gives the employers SPECIFIC mandates as to what they must do if they don't want to be fined or put out of business. The four years is because it starts with the largest companies and graduates down to smaller scale businesses. By the fourth year all businesses must check every employee on the books. It also gives the Social Security and Department of Homeland Security the way to work with the largest to the smallest, effectively lightening the burden over a four year period.

This is an enforcement ONLY bill which they have never had before. '

Originally Posted by florgal

I've no idea why Congressman Paul hasn't co-sponsored the SAVE Act, BUT I do know that there are some anti illegal immigration activists who have questions whether the SAVE Act has some sort of 'trigger' (for lack of a better word) that will allow or leave the door open to some sort of amnesty in the future. I'm no lawyer and don't claim to know, but I haven't read anything that sounds like the possibility of future amnesty in the SAVE Act.

No, there is DEFINITELY not a future amnesty in the Save Act.

I heard Heath Shuler interviewed on Glenn Beck last night.

Originally Posted by Chosen

This isn't surprising to me. I have been looking into a good deal of Ron Paul as of late. Mostly as a potential write in candidate, but he is too Libertarian Party and not philosophically a Libertarian.

The Libertarian Party states this on illegal immigration:

...Repeal all measures that punish employers for hiring undocumented workers...

Taken from their platform stated here (bottom of page):
http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml

Here is an article which makes a good argument on how Libertarianism is the marxism of the right:
http://www.amconmag.com/2005_03_14/article1.html

I think Ron Paul decided to follow Libertarian Party platform rather than common sense with his vote.

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Yes, people have been saying this for a long time.

Ron Paul had no plans for going after employers who were hiring illegals.

If you look at a lot of his past voting history, in many cases, he sided with the employers.

Ron Paul also did not want a border fence---he felt that the border could be left wide open as long as there is no welfare.

Originally Posted by apropos

Originally Posted by Chosen

I don't mean this to sound negative, but unfortunately it is... I simply don't think we have that much longer. We are experiencing the final stages of a 50 year long collectivist end game. The illegals are simply the stupid thug portion, ethnic nationalist socialists make for good balkanizers.

2012 in my opinion, will be an irrelavent election. B. Hussein Obama will damage this country severly.

Fortune cookie says: things are never as good or as bad as you think. For what it's worth.

If Paul doesn't support the Save Act, his stance will probably have roots in his ardent belief for the free market economy and the role of government as outlined in the Constitution. He may end up supporting it...he may not.

In other words..........Paul believes that the employers should be able to hire as many illegals as they want-----and take jobs and lower wages in many occupations.