Thread: If Donald Trump doesn't confront Saudi Arabia, the world order could be upended

If Donald Trump doesn't confront Saudi Arabia, the world order could be upended

By Nic Robertson, CNN
Updated 11:31 AM ET, Wed October 10, 2018
"Nic Robertson is CNN's international diplomatic editor. "

IstanbulIn what world order can the head of Interpol be dragged off the streets, or a globally renowned journalist be made to disappear in front of his fiancée's eyes?

A world order that, one might speculate, is coming off its rails. One where a country can attack another, then look it in the eye and say it didn't happen.

In the world of Marvel heroes, this would never happen. The bad guys would get what's coming to them. But we are not in the Marvel Universe. We are in a post-2016 reality, where the world's top global cop, President Donald Trump, is taking a break from convention and letting misdeeds slide.

The world's most powerful man has made a virtue of shirking the expectation that America traditionally sets the world order, instead demanding allies do more while dialing back pressure on enemies.

Of course, abdication of America's moral responsibility is something previous Presidents could be accused of. But there is something unique about Trump's America First lens at the cost of all else.

On North Korea, where he is exceptionally engaged with the country's notoriously duplicitous dictator, Kim Jong Un, who is talking up the hermit kingdom's denuclearization, despite the absence of real-world actions.

Meanwhile, Trump looks at his regional allies in South Korea and Japan, and tells them that from now on, they need to shoulder the cost of their own security. If they don't, they face the threat of having to defend themselves alone.

To his base at home, the "America First" strategy sounds laudable. To his international allies, it's becoming increasingly laughable. And to his enemies, it is a moment of opportunity.

For seven decades, the United States has not only been at the forefront of keeping the world on a stable track, it also built the rails and set the moral compass for the direction of travel.

But this past week, there has been another noticeable wobble.

The Saudi Arabian journalist and former Saudi government official, Jamal Khashoggi, disappeared while visiting his country's consulate last week in Istanbul. In previous years, something such as this might have been addressed with a firm hand from the White House.

Saudi officials say Khashoggi left not long after arriving. Turkish officials hint, darkly, that he may never be seen alive again. A Saudi official told CNN that Saudi Arabia categorically denies any involvement in his disappearance. The official added that "Jamal's well-being, as a Saudi citizen, is our utmost concern and we are focusing on the investigation ... to reveal the truth behind his disappearance."

The situation is spinning out of control.

Trump says he is "concerned" that no one knows what happened. Vice President Mike Pence is "deeply troubled" and that "the world deserves answers." And Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says that the Saudis should support an investigation.

Saudi Arabia has agreed -- much as it did when its air force mistakenly killed Yemeni women and children while targeting Houthi rebels with US-made bombs.

Human Rights organizations say that Trump is giving the Saudis an easy out.

Khashoggi's fiancée, along with the rest of the world, might never get the answers Pence says should be forthcoming in part, at least, because the Saudis know they are unlikely to be held to account.

It's not the first opportunity Trump has missed to get tough with his Saudi partners.

He likes to remind us they have committed to billions of dollars in arms deals over the coming years.

But he rarely raises the Saudis' massive falling out with Qatar, which happened only weeks after Trump visited Riyadh on his first overseas trip as President in May 2017 when he told the Saudi royals to get tough on terrorism.

Since that visit, the Saudis' behavior has been increasingly autocratic -- from the mass detention of hundreds of Saudi royals and businessmen last year on corruption allegations, which led to the death of at least one detainee, to the arrests of women's rights activists this summer.

This was followed by a bust-up with Canada, leading to the recalling of dozens of diplomats and hundreds of students, barely a month after Trump flew into a rage with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau following the G7 summit.

Trump has opted to ignore where he should have confronted. In doing so, he has become a role model to all the wrong people and for all the wrong reasons.

His summit with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki this summer was another missed opportunity to shore up world order. Rather than take the Russian President to task for attacking American democracy, he praised him. For Putin, it was a pat on the back that put a smile on his face all the way home to Moscow.

With Trump in the White House, Putin is acting with contempt and disregard for the international rules-based order. His military intelligence services continue to meddle in elections and infect social media with fake accounts. And he has the audacity to send his spies to poison people with an illegal deadly chemical weapon in the UK.

Putin is not the only one reading Trump's weakness.

China is exploiting the moral vacuum. It has never been shy to lock up dissidents and political opponents, but President Xi Jinping is taking things to a new level. A few months back, a major movie star disappeared over alleged tax evasion. Then last week, we saw the kidnapping of the head of the world's policing body, Interpol.

Eventually, after much international pressure, Xi's officials fessed up to nabbing the man -- accusing him of corruption.

Despite Trump's trade war with China and escalating military tensions, Xi enjoys a level of power that no Chinese leader has had in decades.

In Venezuela, a government official reportedly fell from a 10-floor window of the government's intelligence headquarters this week.

In the movies, it would be part of a daring escape. But in the real world, Venezuelan officials are calling it suicide. For whatever Trump's rhetoric about the country, it knows it can do as it pleases.

In the case of Saudi Arabia, increasing evidence pushed by Turkish sources through Turkish media implicates a complex Saudi government plot to capture Khashoggi.

The Washington Post is reporting that a video of his killing has been shown to US officials and that American intelligence picked up conversations between Saudi officials plotting Khashoggi's abduction (and possible death).

Trump's most vocal critics are trying to get this issue heard.

Former Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders spoke up this week about Khashoggi's abduction and its implications.

"While this authoritarian trend certainly did not begin with Donald Trump," Sanders said, "there's no question that other authoritarian leaders around the world have drawn inspiration from the fact that the President of the world's oldest and most powerful democracy is shattering democratic norms, is viciously attacking an independent media and an independent judiciary, and is scapegoating the weakest and most vulnerable members of our society,"

Trump's worldview and its roots in America First may be selling well with his base at home. But overseas, it is buckling America's carefully crafted world order. And while it is not yet broken, it is already having irreversible repercussions.

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The US should stay out of it.

We are not the world's police, their ATM machine OR dumping ground.

Stay out of it.

Let the U.N. go in and solve these countries conflicts!!!

They need to change their mission...stop them dumping people from all over the world on other countries and go solve their damn problems!

So now it is our responsibility to go to work every day, try and pay our bills AND allow the government to TAKE our money out of our wallets to find every missing person on the planet!!!!

Stay out of these damn corrupt countries!

Why are WE paying for this! They are not US citizens!

And George Bush should have NEVER taken out Saddam! Bush unleased every one of those sick barbarians and sent them scattering all over the planet invading OUR countries! Saddam kept those barbarians in check! Stay out of their damn business and do not allow them to come here!

They can solve their own problems without our troops or money!

We absolutely need to stay out of it and our leaders and politicians need to shut up and let the Turks and Saudis work it out. We don't know who is playing who here, but you can bet everyone involved is playing everyone involved. This is the epitome of the Middle East Intrigue. Missing journalist, fiance left on the sidewalk, private jets, Mercedes .... no body, no witnesses. Why would his fiance stay out on the sidewalk, if she was there, why didn't she go in with him? You can take friends, spouses, fiances anyone you want with you into a Consulate to do business. Why if he's living in the US did he need permission to marry from the Saudi Consulate to begin with??!! None of this sounds plausible in any way to me. Sounds like some really really stupid CIA Deep State Deal cooked up to harm US-Saudi relations.

Hey, the President just asked what is he, referring to Khashoggi, he's not a US citizen best the President could tell, and asks the press at the White House meeting about something else, "what is it?" and John Roberts from Fox News answered, "permanent resident". THAT IS FALSE, based on reporting yesterday that said he has "APPLIED FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCE". Khashoggi is not a US citizen, he is not a Green Card Permanent Resident, so what is "it"? What is he, folks? Who let him in and for what reason under what legal documents? Did he come here on a tourist visa and overstay making him an illegal alien? Did the Washington Post hire him as some type of "visa" worker? Did Obama give him some sort of TPS for illegal status??!!

We owe this man nothing. Why didn't he go to the Saudi consulate in the United States to get his permission to divorce? Why are we involved in this at all? What do we have to do with anything related to this man's life or death? If a murder was committed in Turkey, then that's Turkey's responsibility to investigate and arrest the killers, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE United States. It didn't happen on our soil, it didn't happen to a US citizen, or "US person" on their soil and it's time the corrupt media STOPS LYING about the immigration status of this dude.

I'd bet my last dollar he came here on a travel visa which has expired and he's an ILLEGAL ALIEN.

CHECK IT OUT MR. PRESIDENT. GET THE REAL SKINNY ON THIS DUDE'S IMMIGRATION STATUS.

ALIPAC should consider making this a top priority investigation so we don't allow a potential illegal alien to be the cause of an international crisis for the United States, when he probably shouldn't have even been in our country to begin with which might explain why he's in Turkey, instead of here, looking for permission to divorce his wife and marry his lover there instead of here.

Furthermore, isn't the Turkey "authorities", the source of all these wild claims about someone being hacked to death in a Saudi consulate, the same Turkish authorities who we believe framed Brunson for terrorism which caused a 2 year fiasco getting his butt back home to the United States??!! I don't trust Turkey one bit on this. This is just another fiasco to drag the US into some international crisis and we don't want any of this.

If Turkey has evidence of a murder and who did it, then file charges and send out extradition orders for prosecutions. Americans didn't do it, so we don't have anything to do with this murder investigation.

The United Arab Emirates is using American mercenaries to assassinate political foes

Saudi-led air strike on bus kills 29 children

• 9 August 2018

The Red Cross said a hospital it supports in Saada had received dozens of casualties

At least 29 children have been killed and 30 wounded in a Saudi-led coalition air strike in Yemen, the International Committee of the Red Cross says.

The children were travelling on a bus that was hit at a market in Dahyan, in the northern province of Saada.
The health ministry run by the rebel Houthi movement put the death toll at 43, and said 61 people were wounded.

The coalition, which is backing Yemen's government in a war with the Houthis, said its actions were "legitimate".

It insists it never deliberately targets civilians, but human rights groups have accused it of bombing markets, schools, hospitals and residential areas.

Meanwhile the new UN special envoy to Yemen, former British diplomat Martin Griffiths, is planning to invite the warring parties to Geneva in September to discuss a framework for negotiations.



UN envoy Martin Griffiths says that if peace efforts in Yemen fail, the world could be looking at “Syria-plus".He told the BBC's Lyse Doucet that if the conflict is left unresolved, Yemen could collapse and the international community could be looking at "Syria-plus" in the years to come.

"The war in Yemen will get more complicated the longer it goes on. There will be more international interest and polarisation in terms of the parties, it will fragment further, it will be more difficult to resolve - even more than it is now."

What happened in Saada?

Yemeni tribal elders told the Associated Press that the bus was hit as it passed through Dahyan market and that it was transporting local civilians, including many school children.

The charity Save the Children said it had been told by its staff that the children were on their way back to school from a picnic when the driver of their bus stopped to get a drink.

The vehicle was stationary when the attack happened, it added.

The ICRC said a hospital it supported in Saada had received the bodies of 29 children, all of them under the age of 15, and 48 injured people, among them 30 children.

It sent additional supplies to the hospital to cope with the influx of patients.

Houthi-run Al-Masirah TV reported that 47 people were killed and 77 wounded, and broadcast graphic pictures showing the bodies of several young children, some of them wearing school uniform.

What has been the reaction?

Houthi spokesman Mohammed Abdul-Salam accused the coalition of showing "clear disregard for civilian life" by targeting a crowded public place.

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It is high time for these relapsing tragedies to stop in #Yemen. No one should allow putting children in harm’s way and making them pay such an unacceptable price. Proud of @ICRC_ye and #Yemeni health teams in Saada doing their utmost to save lives.

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Following an attack this morning on a bus driving children in Dahyan Market, northern Sa’ada, @ICRC_yemen- supported hospital has received dozens of dead and wounded. Under international humanitarian law, civilians must be protected during conflict.




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The ICRC stressed that "under international humanitarian law, civilians must be protected during conflict", while the secretary-general of the Norwegian Refugee Council Jan Egeland called it a "grotesque, shameful" attack that showed "blatant disregard for rules of war".

Save the Children described the incident as "horrific", and called for a full, immediate and independent investigation into recent attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure.

It was not immediately clear whether the bus was the target of the air strike, but coalition spokesman Col Turki al-Malki said the attack was "a legitimate military action, conducted in conformity with international humanitarian law".

He said it had hit "militants responsible for planning and targeting civilians" in the southern Saudi city of Jizan on Wednesday night, where one Yemeni resident was killed and 11 others were injured by fragments from an intercepted ballistic missile that was launched by the Houthis from neighbouring Amran province.
He accused the rebels of using children as "tools and covers for their terrorist acts".

Later, air strikes were reported in the rebel-held Yemeni capital, Sanaa.

A week ago, at least 55 civilians were killed and 170 others wounded in a series of attacks on the rebel-held Red Sea port city of Hudaydah. The coalition denied that it had carried out air strikes in the area, and blamed the deaths on rebel mortar fire.

Why is there a war in Yemen?

Yemen has been devastated by a conflict that escalated in early 2015, when the Houthis seized control of much of the west of the country and forced President Abdrabbuh Mansour Hadi to flee abroad.




The conflict in Yemen has been raging for years - but what is it all about?Alarmed by the rise of a group they saw as an Iranian proxy, the UAE, Saudi Arabia and seven other Arab states intervened in an attempt to restore the government.

Almost 10,000 people - two-thirds of them civilians - have been killed and 55,000 others injured in the fighting, according to the United Nations.

The fighting and a partial blockade by the coalition has also left 22 million people in need of humanitarian aid, created the world's largest food security emergency, and led to a cholera outbreak that is thought to have affected a million people.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45128367