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    Why Trump is the distraction Putin needs

    Why Trump is the distraction Putin needs

    Analysis by Nathan Hodge, CNN
    Updated 12:20 AM ET, Sun July 15, 2018

    Moscow (CNN) When Russian President Vladimir Putin meets President Donald Trump in Helsinki, Finland, on Monday, he will be riding a symbolic high: The Helsinki summit comes a day after the World Cup final in Moscow, a prestige event that has inspired a burst of patriotism in Russia.

    While Russia was eliminated in the quarterfinals in a heartbreaking penalty shootout against Croatia, Russians felt a boost in pride, joy and respect, drawn by the national team's surprisingly strong overall performance, according to state pollster VTsIOM. Some 70% of Russians watched the tournament, VTsIOM found.

    Monday's summit gives Putin a chance to practice a role he has been perfecting for 18 years: Playing the statesman. Like a royal wedding or Trump's meetup in Singapore with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, Helsinki will be an extraordinary photo opportunity for the Kremlin leader, putting him on equal footing with his American counterpart.

    A one-on-one meeting with Trump gives the meticulously prepared Russian President a chance to appear the more assured player, in a sit-down with his famously brash and improvisational American counterpart.

    Putin is always well briefed: His annual marathon press conference is perhaps the Kremlin leader's most telling display of his vast knowledge, having mastered the minutiae of economic data and statistics.

    Beyond the fanfare, however, not everything looks rosy for Putin. The Department of Justice's announcement on Friday of the indictment of 12 Russian intelligence officers for interfering in the 2016 presidential election has led to calls for Trump to cancel the meeting with the Russian President.

    That is unlikely to happen. Trump, who has been in Brussels, Belgium, and the United Kingdom this week, repeated his call for better relations with Russia several times. And Trump has repeatedly criticized the investigation, which implicates members of his own election campaign team, as a "witch hunt."

    Putin's meeting with Trump may be the distraction he needs right now. Russians may have World Cup fever, but the monthlong celebrations have not translated to a sense of greater well-being for the country's citizens.

    In a poll taken at the height of the World Cup, VTsIOM found that Russians reported that all indices of social well-being in June were down from the same period last year. Respondents said they felt more pessimistic about a range of factors: their financial well-being, their confidence in the economy, and their support for the political course of the country.

    Compared with the same survey in mid-2014, when the country was swept with nationalistic pride over the annexation of Crimea, optimism in Russia has dropped sharply.

    The main factors? Rising fuel prices and a government proposal to raise the retirement age have shaken the economic and social confidence of Russians, according to VTsIOM.

    Raising the pension age is a particularly touchy issue for Russians, who inherited expectations about a social safety net from the Soviet system. The proposal to gradually raise the retirement age to 63 from 55 for women and to 65 from 60 for men has been cast as an exercise in fiscal discipline. But critics said the decision to push ahead with the unpopular plan on the opening day of the World Cup suggested the government was trying to bury bad news.

    But Putin still enjoys widespread popularity. According to the independent pollster Levada Center, his approval ratings routinely hover around 80%, a figure any US president would envy. How he handles Trump in Helsinki will no doubt feed into those ratings.

    The summit isn't the first meeting between Trump and Putin, and in the past, the two men have openly praised each other, with Putin especially having a knack for saying things that appeal directly to Trump. In his 2015 annual press conference, well before then-candidate Trump secured his party's nomination, Putin described Trump as "a bright and talented person" who was the clear front-runner in the race.

    But much has changed since 2015, and the compliments now flow less readily. Trump suggested in a news conference on Friday he would be a tough interlocutor in Helsinki. Asked about Putin's annexation of Crimea in 2014, he blamed President Barack Obama, saying of Putin, "I don't think he would have done that with me."

    In NATO, Trump criticized Germany as being "a captive of Russia" over its plans to run a gas pipeline from Russia to the country, under the Baltic Sea.

    But what do Russians hope the Trump-Putin meeting achieves? They are not optimistic. More than half do not expect significant changes for their country after the one on one, a VTsIOM poll shows.

    And Trump will be under pressure in the United States to confront Putin, following the 12 Russians' indictments there. Despite the unease in European capitals about Trump's recent criticism of the NATO alliance, Russians are not confident the summit will yield a real reset in rocky US-Russian relations.

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    Wow, Russian women can retire at 55 and men at 60. They're raising that now to 63 for women and 65 for men over a period of years. That's still younger than ours. Interesting, those mean ole Russians. HA!!

    The Russian people wanted Crimea back with them. The Crimeans are Russian and should be with Russia, that is their natural place. Trump needs to just leave that alone and do like he's doing and blame it on Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Wow, Russian women can retire at 55 and men at 60. They're raising that now to 63 for women and 65 for men over a period of years. That's still younger than ours. Interesting, those mean ole Russians. HA!!
    And their life expectancy is about 71 years! HA!

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    That's because of such a high death rate for men who die before they turn 55 from vodka and alcohol related illnesses. So if you make it to retirement, you'll probably have a good life. Don't know how much the pension is but I guess satisfactory. I do think them raising the age is okay, the other seemed pretty low, especially for the women. But I thought that was sweet too, giving them an at ease 5 years earlier than the men, now it will only be 2 years, but 8 years longer overall, whenever it's in full effect. Oh my goodness, this is so exciting to learn more about the Russians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    That's because of such a high death rate for men who die before they turn 55 from vodka and alcohol related illnesses. So if you make it to retirement, you'll probably have a good life.
    That is true in this country as well. My point was that a Russian retiring at 65 has, on average, has about five years to enjoy it. An American retiring at 65 has, on average, about 14 years.

    And why do they drink? Is it because they are generally depressed by the environment they live in?

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    I do think them raising the age is okay, the other seemed pretty low, especially for the women. But I thought that was sweet too, giving them an at ease 5 years earlier than the men, now it will only be 2 years, but 8 years longer overall, whenever it's in full effect. Oh my goodness, this is so exciting to learn more about the Russians.
    I don't know about the equality of men and women in Russia. If women are restricted like they are in many Arab countries, they have less opportunity to build up assets in their lifetime. Even more sweet, perhaps, is that women outlive men by almost 11 years. So statistically, men will die before they reach retirement age (64.7), while women can enjoy retirement (76.3) for about 13 years.

    Supposedly Social Security was designed to begin when most Americans would die, making it solvent. Because their lifespan increased Social Security became insolvent. Perhaps Russia ran into the same problem.

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    The article said they were raising the retirement age for financial reasons to pay for the program. It happens over a period of years so it's not a sudden thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    The article said they were raising the retirement age for financial reasons to pay for the program. It happens over a period of years so it's not a sudden thing.
    The same reason it was raised in our country. Just the reality of socialism mixed with capitalism!

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    Our retirement age has always been higher than theirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Our retirement age has always been higher than theirs.
    Likewise our life expectancy. The point that you prefer to ignore is that, like them, we had to increase the age the benefits start at for basically the same reason: insolvency!

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