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    The U.S. "Cannot Win Militarily" In Afghanistan, Says Top Commander In Shocking Inte

    The U.S. "Cannot Win Militarily" In Afghanistan, Says Top Commander In Shocking Interview



    "So if you realize you can't win militarily at some point... people start asking why..."

    Sat, 11/03/2018 - 21:30
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    Historians of the now seventeen-year old U.S. war in Afghanistan will take note of this past week when the newly-appointed American general in charge of US and NATO operations in the country made a bombshell, historic admission. He conceded that the United States cannot win in Afghanistan.
    Speaking to NBC News last week, Gen. Austin Scott Miller made his first public statements after taking charge of American operations, and shocked with his frank assessment that that the Afghan war cannot be won militarily and peace will only be achieved through direct engagement and negotiations with the Taliban the very terror group which US forces sought to defeat when it first invaded in 2001.
    "This is not going to be won militarily," Gen. Miller said. "This is going to a political solution."
    Gen. Austin Scott Miller, the U.S. commander of resolute support, via EPA/NBC

    Miller explained to NBC:
    My assessment is the Taliban also realizes they cannot win militarily. So if you realize you can't win militarily at some point, fighting is just, people start asking why. So you do not necessarily wait us out, but I think now is the time to start working through the political piece of this conflict.
    He gave the interview from the Resolute Support headquarters building in Kabul. "We are more in an offensive mindset and don't wait for the Taliban to come and hit [us]," he said. "So that was an adjustment that we made early on. We needed to because of the amount of casualties that were being absorbed."
    Starting last summer it was revealed that US State Department officials began meeting with Taliban leaders in Qatar to discuss local and regional ceasefires and an end to the war. It was reported at the time that the request of the Taliban, the US-backed Afghan government was not invited; however, there doesn't appear to have been any significant fruit out of the talks as the Taliban now controls more territory than ever before in recent years.
    Such controversial and shaky negotiations come as in total the United States has spent well over $840 billion fighting the Taliban insurgency while also paying for relief and reconstruction in a seventeen-year long war that has become more expensive, in current dollars, than the Marshall Plan, which was the reconstruction effort to rebuild Europe after World War II.
    Even the New York Times recently chronicled the flat out deception of official Pentagon statements vs. the reality in terms of the massive spending that has gone into the now-approaching two decade long "endless war" which began in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
    Via NYT reportAs of September of this year the situation was as bleak as it's ever been after over a decade-and-a-half of America's longest running war, per the NYT's numbers:
    But since 2017, the Taliban have held more Afghan territory than at any time since the American invasion. In just one week last month, the insurgents killed 200 Afghan police officers and soldiers, overrunning two major Afghan bases and the city of Ghazni.
    The American military says the Afghan government effectively “controls or influences” 56 percent of the country. But that assessment relies on statistical sleight of hand. In many districts, the Afghan government controls only the district headquarters and military barracks, while the Taliban control the rest.
    For this reason Gen. Miller spoke to NBC of an optimal "political outcome" instead of "winning" the latter being a term rarely if ever used by Pentagon and officials and congressional leaders over the past years.
    Miller told NBC: "I naturally feel compelled to try to set the conditions for a political outcome. So, pressure from that standpoint, yes. I don't want everyone to think this is forever."
    And ending on a bleak note in terms of the "save face" and "cut and run" nature of the U.S. future engagement in Afghanistan, Gen. Miller concluded, "This is my last assignment as a soldier in Afghanistan. I don't think they'll send me back here in another grade. When I leave this time I'd like to see peace and some level of unity as we go forward."
    Interestingly, the top US and NATO commander can now only speak in remotely hopeful terms of "some level of unity" perhaps just enough to make a swift exit at least.



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    Get US out of there.

    Keep THEM out of here.

    Send all their damn refugees home!

    Let them kill each other off, they have been doing it for thousands of years.

    It will never end until they are all wiped out and that is a fact.

    No money, no aid, no oatmeal.

    No visa.

    Keep them off our soil and start deporting the ones already here.

    They bring this hate, rape, overbreeding and violence to our shores and that is a fact!
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    I wouldn't negotiate with these retarded Generals; I would wait them out and force a humiliating withdrawal. I would also not advise letting any of your kids follow goof ball Generals that are losers waiting to happen as Americas best get sent home in boxes
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    The US war on terror has cost 5 trillion dollars and terror is up 6500%.
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    The US war on terror has cost 5 trillion dollars and terror is up 6500% and no one bats an eye. Try to protect our own border for a fraction of that cost and people in DC get goofy
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    This needs to stop. The young ex-marine who killed innocent people in California may have suffered mentality from PTSD. These wars and the human costs must end. Make people in the area take care of these situations. We give too much money and get little in return. We have sacrificed too much blood and treasure.

    President Trump needs to replace Mattis and others pushing for a continuing presence where we are getting nowhere and we walk on eggshells with a PC culture.
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    Yes, Trump's instincts were right from the beginning. Get US out of Afghanistan. Sure, do a peace deal.
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    The End Game In Afghanistan Is Beginning



    "After 17 years of strategic mismanagement, the Trump administration is left only with bad options. Getting out of Afghanistan is inevitable. Given the current trends, we couldn’t stay even if we wished to do so..."

    Tue, 11/13/2018 - 23:05
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    Authored by Lawrence Sellin, op-ed via The Daily Caller,

    China and Pakistan have plainly stated their plans for Afghanistan and South Asia.

    According to a press release from the November 12 conference held at Islamabad’s Pakistan-China Institute, “Pakistan-Afghanistan-China Trilateral Dialogue supports the CPEC [China-Pakistan Economic Corridor] as key to peace and regional cooperation.”
    Pakistani news outlets emphasized the point, one stating, “Pakistan and China on Monday urged Afghanistan to join the Belt & Road Initiative as well as the CPEC.”



    Is it a coincidence that such plain speaking occurs in parallel with an uptick in the frequency and intensity of Taliban attacks inside Afghanistan?

    Within a span of a few days, Jaghori - long considered a safe district - was being overrunby 1,000 Taliban, while other Taliban killed at least twelve Afghan soldiers and four tribal elders during an attack on a military base in Afghanistan’s northern Baghlan province. And bombs continue to explode in Kabul.

    In an effort to lure the Taliban to the bargaining table, the Trump administration may ask the Afghan government to postpone presidential elections - a move the Taliban will undoubtedly construe as a sign of American weakness because they have always claimed the Kabul regime as illegitimate.
    In that respect, the Taliban are correct. Other than a “presence” in Afghanistan, the United States has no strategic cards to play.
    There is no military solution in Afghanistan, at least from the standpoint of the manner in which we have conducted the war.
    After an initial small-footprint victory in late 2001, driving the Taliban out of Afghanistan, the U.S. chose to mount an exhaustive and expensive counterinsurgency campaign with its nation-building component.
    At the same time, Pakistan, sustaining the Taliban, waged a proxy war in Afghanistan, much like Pakistan’s and, indirectly, China’s reported support and use of the Islamic extremist group Lashkar-e-Taiba and its affiliates against India.
    Pakistan has always controlled the operation tempo of the war as well as the supply of our troops in landlocked Afghanistan.
    U.S. inability or unwillingness to attack Taliban safe havens in Pakistan or forcing Islamabad to withdraw its support, essentially rendered a counterinsurgency victory unachievable. It is an obvious deduction the Pentagon should have made long ago, except for its blind love affair with Field Manual 3-24, Counterinsurgency.
    After 17 years of strategic mismanagement, the Trump administration is left only with bad options. Getting out of Afghanistan is inevitable. Given the current trends, we couldn’t stay even if we wished to do so.
    We should let Pakistan and China “win” and then help them ruin their victory.
    Clearly, CPEC is the foundation upon which China and Pakistan intend to exploit their triumph, which is highly vulnerable to the very instability they were inciting in Afghanistan.
    Forty years ago, Pakistani President Zia ul Haq said that to control Afghanistan, the country should be kept “boiling at the right temperature.”
    Like a frog, CPEC will be slowly boiled in South Asia’s pot of instability. CPEC is the flagship of the Belt and Road Initiative, China’s blueprint for global domination. As the maxim, widely attributed to Napoleon, says “Never interfere with the enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself.”
    That is, by harnessing the potential power of ideological fissures, ethnic fault lines and differing national interests, in essence, the ability to manage instability, the U.S. can transform an untenable “presence” into longer-term regional leverage.

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    Get us out.

    No money, no aid, no oatmeal, no troops.

    No refugees, no asylum...send their people back!

    They will be raping, killing and breeding in rubble another 1,000 years!

    They want peace...they must do it themselves. They cannot get along with each other let alone the rest of the world.

    We are not the world's police or ATM machine.

    Secure our border, get bio-metric systems in place and protect our country.
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