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to Impeach Bush!
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What's that old saying go?
Those who sacrafice liberty for a little bit of security deserve neither.
I might have butchered that a bit, but I'm too lazy right now to look up the official quote.
It amazes me how alot of Americans are all too willing to give up their constitutional rights so easily in the name of fighting terror. Fear is the easiest method in which to control people. Giving up our rights for a little bit of security is exactly what the terrorists and our government want. I just don't understand with how dishonest and untrustworthy this government is on so many levels that the American people can be ok with them wiretapping them without a warrant. I mean if the government can go through all that trouble, why not secure our borders and enforce our immigration laws to keep the bad guys from coming in. Why wait until they are already here and then you have to go through all the BS of wiretapping everyone in their grandmothers and putting them through all kinds of hell?
Why don't they use this wiretapping BS on the illegals and their employers? Why don't they use it on all the brown pride anti american groups like LaRaza and such?
Seriously it is not that hard to get a warrant to conduct a wiretap. The agency that is in charge of doing such rubberstamps like 99 percent of them anyway, so why the secrecy? How do we know they aren't wiretapping Alipac or the Minutemen instead of the Al Qaeda?
Too many questions and given the dishonestly of this administration, I don't trust anything they do, not one bit. I for one will be damned if I'm giving up my constiutional rights for anything. I'm not going to live my life in fear. No sir.
dman...you've been MIA for quite some time, and honestly I am surprised that you are back for more. Before I continue slapping you around like a little girl, go back and answer all of the questions that were left for you. :?
Neese you are so irrelevant that I stopped paying attention to you a long time ago. You want to continue to be a Bushbot then that is your choice because I don't have time to go thumb through pages of your garbage. Nothing I say will convince you of anything and quite frankly I have better things to do with my time like trying to do my part in saving the country. If you want to be like Crocket and not hold Bush and other politicians accountable for their actions then that's your choice. I choose not to have my head buried up my arse, but whatever floats your boat. Unless you have something relevant to add to this conversion, I'm done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neese
As far as slapping me around, whatever. Your such a tough guy (or girl), I'm so scared of you. :roll: :lol:
Neese, I believe that dman is agenda driven. Actually responding to questions is not part of his program, but you may succeed in getting yourself called a "Bush apologist" or (as above) a "Bushbot" if you have the temerity to challenge his posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neese
Personally, I have little patience or respect for a person who will not have an honest debate. The sole overriding exception to that rule is my "do not feed the trolls" rule, in the case that the "debate" is just trollish disruption. I note that dman went left on me, accusing me of being a "Bush apologist" simply for pointing out the verbiage of Art. III, Sec. 3, which narrowly defines the conditions under which one may be charged with treason. Apparently, the fact that the actual law is at odds with his fantasy solution to this problem was enough to drive him to a lengthy accusatory and factually errant diatribe.
I guess what I am saying is that you shouldn't get your hopes up that any hard questions you pose or have posed will be answered.
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Originally Posted by dman1200
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dman, I was under the impression that congress is/was investigating LaRaza, unless that's just a lie. I think that all those groups should be investigated. They are devisive, racist, and have no business receiving donations from American corporations and companies, to spread their filthy garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by dman1200
I'll be damned is I will give up my constitutional rights. And, I refuse to have any foreign influences involved in my rights as an American, or to have any say in OUR immigration policies!
I WANT THE INCOMPETENT PRESIDENT THROWN OUT- IMPEACHMENT IS TOO NICE OF A WORD!
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Originally Posted by April
April- I joined to impeach Bush a few months ago, and signed a petition to have him impleached. I noticed when I google impeach.com, that the website was sold on ebay for 25,000. Is that the same one? I hope not!
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Sorry- it should be "impeachush.org" not impeachbush.com.
Here is a new event sacheduled:
PERMITS SECURED FOR THE MARCH ON THE PENTAGON!
Nearly 100 transportation centers bringing people to Washington, D.C. on
Saturday, March 17.
*please circulate widely to friends, family and email lists*
Tens of thousands of people will unite on March 17 at the Pentagon against the
war and to demand the Impeachment of George W. Bush and other high officials.
Permits have been secured for this historic demonstration which Ramsey Clark
will help lead. March 17 is the 4th anniversary of the start of the criminal war
in Iraq. 2007 is also the 40th anniversary of the 1967 March on the Pentagon.
It took five long months to secure the right of the people to march against the
war and in support of impeachment. Many told us that a permit at the Pentagon
would be impossible. But because of a protracted political and legal struggle we
have won this major free speech victory. Bush may not want us there, but we will not be deterred. The whole world
will be watching that day.
Impeachment supporters are getting on buses, trains and planes to come to
Washington. This is a united effort between the impeachment movement and many
anti-war and social justice organizations. In fact, there are hundreds of
organizations that are working together to bring people to Washington. You can
find out about a transportation center nearest you by going to
www.MarchOnPentagon.org. There are now nearly 100 transportation centers coming
from cities up and down the East Coast, New England, the Midwest and South.
And so the lynch mob got lynched...the irony!Quote:
I noticed when I google impeach.com, that the website was sold on ebay for 25,000. Is that the same one? I hope not!
I think that term you are grasping for is "coup d'etat."Quote:
Originally Posted by firecracker
http://pepib.convio.net/site/PageServer ... e=homepage
Firecracker,this is the link to the impeachment site I am updating daily. The name is www.VoteToImpeach.org . There are lots of websites set up with petitions to impeach Buh right now, so I can see how it might be confusing. :)
I know that we are on opposite sides of the fence on this issue, but we are all comrades on the illegal immigration issue. So, as a friend, I am suggesting that you be careful what you are signing. If there is a known and reputable website out there, that is fine, but I would hate for you to give your personal information to some schmoe. Who knows what they are doing with your information. One person that I spoke to said that they were getting bizarre emails...that could be why(?) Just be safe.:?
852780 :
the number of people
who have already voted
in the referendum
to Impeach Bush!
(figure updated daily
There are so many reasons to impeach him!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by April
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?P ... 0207d.html
You clearly do not understand the impeachment process.Quote:
Originally Posted by JZ
Just supporting the Troops. Suppose you tell us all how it works. Go ahead, I at least am waiting for a lengthy explanation!Quote:
Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost
I have explained it until I'm blue in the face, JZ. Maybe you should pay attention next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by JZ
And what the Hell does "supporting the Troops" have to do with anything? What "Troops" are you talking about, the OBL? You sure as Hell are not talking about OUR troops fighting overseas, because the vast majority of them (right or wrong) SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT.
Do yourself a favor and use the "find all posts" function and read what I have previously written about the absurdity of the notion that Bush will be impeached by this Congress.
Please put me on ignore.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost
I agree Bush should be impeached for more reasons than one. After he's impeached we'll deal with the rest one by one.Quote:
Originally Posted by April
Lou Dobbs Tonight
Excerpt:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... dt.01.html
DOBBS: More outrage tonight over the prison beating of former Border Patrol agent Ignacio Ramos. Members of Congress are now demanding an investigation into that attack.
In addition, damaging new information tonight showing that the Department of Homeland Security lied to Congress, information contradicting the Bush administration's version of events and the stated reason for prosecuting those two Border Patrol agents.
Casey Wian has our report.
CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Congressional Republicans are again demanding that President Bush intervene on behalf of former Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, now serving 11 and 12 years in prison for shooting and wounding a Mexican illegal alien drug smuggler. As we've reported, Ramos was beaten severely in prison over the weekend by men yelling insults in Spanish.
ROHRABACHER: If these men, after -- especially after this assault are murdered in prison, if one of them lose their lives, there's going to be some kind of impeachment talk in Capitol Hill.
Nicely said.Quote:
Originally Posted by April
I think here's the quote you were looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by dman1200
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/01/24/fu ... _lawy.html
I have a quote too:
"Those that make demands about things they no nothing about, will either waste their time, or makes the problem worse" - Neese 2007
[quote=JZ]Please put me on ignore.[/quote:62nj1v1d]Quote:
Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost
So you can't be bothered with reality, JZ?
I wouldn't press the issue, but a grossly inordinate amount of energy and space on this site is being wasted on the pipe dream of impeachment. But i'll tell you what, buddy, I'll create a separate thread in which I'l attempt to get some of you villages to put down your pitchforks and torches long enough to answer a few realistic questions about what you hope to achieve with this fanaticism.
Simple question:
After they Impeach the man, what's the next step?
A large portion of the ALIPAC website is littered with the word "impeach" without any meaningful discussion about it. Why???
I totally agree. I think by impeaching Bush we’ll regain some of our dignity. Americans will only be respected in the worlds eyes by taking BACK our country!Quote:
Originally Posted by ALIPAC
I hear so much about globalism, and yet you are worried about gaining the respect of countries who drain our resources and pick our pockets? You may want to rethink that statement. I could give a rats ass about what anyone else thinks about our country. Where were they when we needed a hand?Quote:
Originally Posted by LawnCheney
Amen!
Made it through all of this.
For anyone's record, in case it counts, I'm not a Bush backer. Fortunately or Unfortunately, I'm a registered Republican, so sayeth the books anyway.
At this stage of the game however, in my humble opinion, impeachment talk brings us to the brink of being suicidal.
Are we imploding here or what?
May I ask, does anyone know the condition of Mr. Ramos to date?
If his physical health is mentioned on another thread, please just point me in the right direction? I shall go look and see while roaming ... hope I'll find something about how he is doing.
Take care everyone. Keep it glued together okay?
How can we take Bush seriously when he attacks an innocent country and then tells us he’s fighting "The War on Terror." While on the home front, he leaves the borders wide open! For any Foreign National invader to walk right in!Quote:
Originally Posted by jbird
If it hadn't had have been for groups like this one and the many others and individuals screaming, the borders would STILL be wide open! Mr. Bush is a treasonous traitor and deserves to be impeached.
In 2005 as many as 4 - 10- million illegal aliens crossed into the United States illegally.
During 2005, Boarder Patrol apprehended approximately 1.2 million illegal aliens; of those 165,00 were from Countries other than Mexico. Of the non-Mexican aliens, approximately 650 were from special interest countries. (Terrorist countries)
Federal law enforcement estimates that 10 percent to 30 percent of illegal aliens are actually apprehended.
(Which calculates to, 6,500 to 19,500 illegal aliens from TERRORIST countries snuck across the boarder in 2005 alone.)
http://www.house.gov/mccaul/pdf/Investi ... Report.pdf
Homeland Security Report, Page - 2 & 3.
How will we be respected and how will we get our country back? I think it will just make us look like a horse's ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by LawnCheney
Let's say that you are in a bad relationship and you want to break up with someone. Is it better to keep it quiet and go your own ways or is it better to get out the megaphone and spew a detailed list of why you were wronged? People who are obnoxiously loud about problems normally tend to look foolish. I am all for holding people responsible but let's do it in a dignified way.
Quote LawnCheney:
How were you able to keep a straight face when you wrote this? Please...the next time you take a family vacation, go to the middle east and let us know (if you live to tell about it) how it went. :roll:Quote:
How can we take Bush seriously when he attacks an innocent country and then tell us he’s fighting "The War on Terror." While on the home front, he leaves the borders wide open! For any Foreign National invader to walk right in!
Bush deserves to be impeached and his legacy be that of Shame! If we can't impeach him, let's make him our puppet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bamajdphd
The country Iraq was innocent of the charges that they had “Weapons of Mass Destruction” (WMD) and that they attacked America on 9-11. Bush and Cheney knew this from the beginning and that information will come out in the Scooter Libby trial.
Mr. Bush is guilty of knowing millions of foreign invaders are crossing our borders and does nothing about it! He is selling our sovereignty and he knows millions of pounds of illegal drugs flow freely over our southern border daily. Which causes harm and financial devastation to our country and does nothing about it.
http://www.house.gov/mccaul/pdf/Investi ... Report.pdf
Homeland Security Report - Page 7:
According to the National Drug Intelligence Center, Mexican cartels are “the predominant smugglers, transporters, and wholesale distributors of cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamine, and Mexico-heroin in the United States” and “are expanding their control over the distribution of these drugs in areas long controlled by Colombian and Dominican criminal groups, including areas of New York and Florida.”
Page 3.
In 2005 the government estimates the following crossed our Southern Border:
* A kilogram is about 2 1/4 pounds
5.6 to 11.2 million kilograms of cocaine.
34.3 to 68.6 million kilograms of marijuana.
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Federal Drug Seizures on our Southern Border in Fiscal Year 2005:
1,129,275 killograms of cocaine.
6,866,465 killograms of marijuana
16,790 killograms of methamphetamine.
852941 :
the number of people
who have already voted
in the referendum
to Impeach Bush!
(figure updated daily)
I would again invite anyone who is considering impeachment as a serious possibility to pop by this thread and answer the questions at the end of the first post:
http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=F ... sc&start=0
I found this commentary and thought it was worth posting.
A national emergency
Patrick J. Buchanan
On Aug. 12, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson declared a state of emergency "due to a chaotic situation involving illegal alien smuggling and illegal drug shipments" on his southern border. Three days later, Gov. Janet Napolitano followed suit in Arizona.
Reason: the crisis on the border. The ally-ally-in-free immigration policy of George Bush and Vicente Fox, beloved of corporate America, has created a hell on our southern border.
Those Southwestern states are being inundated by illegal aliens trashing ranches, killing cattle, committing crimes and eating up tax dollars. The traffic in narcotics and human beings from Mexico is a national scandal and a human-rights disgrace.
What is true of New Mexico and Arizona is true of our nation, which is now home to an estimated 10 million to 15 million aliens who have broken our laws and broken into our country. It is a mark of the cowardice of our leaders that they are so terrified of being called "bigots" they tolerate this criminality. The moral rot of political correctness runs deep today in both national parties.
A president like Teddy Roosevelt would have led the Army to the border years ago. And if Fox did not cooperate, T.R. would have gone on to Mexico City. Nor would Ike, who deported all illegal aliens in 1953, have stood still for this being done to the country he had defended in war.
What are these Bush Republicans afraid of? Dirty looks from the help at the country club?
The question of whether America is going to remain one nation, or whether our Southwest will wind up as a giant Kosovo – separated by language and loyalty from the rest of America – is on the table.
Where is Bush? All wrapped up in the issue of whether women in Najaf will have the same rights in divorce and custody cases as women in Nebraska. His legislative agenda for the fall includes a blanket amnesty for illegals, so they can be exploited by businesses who want to hold wages down as they dump the social costs for their employees – health care, schools, courts, cops, prisons – onto taxpayers.
Not only have Richardson and Napolitano awakened – they are on the front lines – so, too, has Hillary Clinton, who has spoken out against illegal immigration with a forthrightness that makes Bush sound like a talking head for La Raza.
Why is a Republican Congress permitting this president to persist in the dereliction of his sworn duty?
George Bush is chief executive of the United States. It is his duty to enforce the laws. Can anyone fairly say he is enforcing the immigration laws? Those laws are clear. People who break in are to be sent back. Yet, more than 10 million have broken in with impunity. Another million attempt to break in every year. Half a million succeed. Border security is homeland security. How, then, can the Department of Homeland Security say America is secure?
Who can guarantee that, of the untold millions of illegals here, and the scores of thousands ordered deported for crimes who have disappeared into our midst, none is a terrorist waiting for orders to blow up a subway or mall and massacre American citizens?
Most of these illegals come to work to send money back to their families. They are not bad people. But because they are predominantly young and male, they commit a disproportionate share of violent crimes.
Why should U.S. citizens be assaulted, robbed, raped and murdered, and have their children molested, because their government will not enforce its own laws?
Is this not an indictment of democracy itself? What dictatorial regime would put up with this?
The Republican Party claims to be a conservative party. But what kind of conservative is it who, to cut a few costs or make a few bucks, will turn his family's home into a neighborhood flop house?
In a recent poll, 40 percent of Mexicans – 40 million people – said they would like to come to the United States, and 20 percent expressed a willingness to break in. Time to cut the babble about how NAFTA is going to solve the problem. This is a national emergency.
Twice, George Bush has taken an oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." Article IV, Section 4 of that Constitution reads, "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion."
Well, we are being invaded, and the president of the United States is not doing his duty to protect the states against that invasion. Some courageous Republican, to get the attention of this White House, should drop into the hopper a bill of impeachment, charging George W. Bush with a conscious refusal to uphold his oath and defend the states of the Union against "invasion."
It may be the only way left to get his attention, before the border vanishes and our beloved country dissolves into MexAmerica, what T.R. called a "polyglot boarding house for the world."
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.a ... E_ID=46019
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Failure to uphold the oath of office, absent a specific crime, has never been a grounds for impeachment or for treason. Please refer to the thread for which I post a link above.